Bush "rally" in LaCrosse (May 04) pictures and COMMENTS

[SoCalDem]

this is from a photo site I like..and it is a worldwide fave.. Just posting pics of him stir up feelings of hatred from all over the world... some even respond in their own language..(not knowing english is no impediment to the hatred of this fool )..

the repube who posted them is obviously proud of them..and I don;pt think he ever expected the comments..

comments usually range from questions about the camera used..settings and such..to just kudos to the great pics..


start at the bottom to read the running commentary...
http://www.pbase.com/huffychicken/bush_rally__may_7_2004&page=2 click to see pics


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From: Andrew Dagwell Date: 13-Jul-2004 20:44
Edit: My previous comment was directed to "guest", and not Ralph who I'm in complete agreement with.

From: David W Date: 13-Jul-2004 00:55
Ralph, I think the UN not following through with its resolutions and cease-fire agreements is a danger to universal peace.

From: reader Date: 12-Jul-2004 18:49
prisonplanet.com for the truth.

From: reader Date: 12-Jul-2004 17:29
Anyone who thinks that there is any difference between the two Bonesmen Bush andd Kerry is an idiot. They both want war. They both will bankrupt this country. They both owe their allegiance to the New World Order. They are both are corrupt . We no longer have any choice as our government and our intelligence agencies have sold our country to the military industrial complex. Power to the sheeple.

From: CJ Date: 12-Jul-2004 14:10
IQ doesn't mean Clinton was a wise or smart president. He actually was a fool who could have accomplished much more than he did. That he forgot or never learned good character became his legacy. Pitty.

From: David Griffin Date: 12-Jul-2004 12:23
Just as a point of interest, Clinton had the highest IQ of any American President (180) and the only two men ever to have held office despite having a below average IQ (less than 100) are Bush and Bush.

From: Andrew Dagwell Date: 12-Jul-2004 10:42
I think it's just marvelous that you feel you can speak for the whole world, Ralph.

From: Guest Date: 12-Jul-2004 08:52
Ralph

There are many pople writing here from the rest of the world (for you: not from the USA)
..and belive me..
This man, Bush..makes the world hating the USA...

The world is afreight of a man like your president, he is a big liar and a dange for the universal peace. However it gives you and your country a very very very poor account if you vote agin for him.

A European

From: CJ Date: 12-Jul-2004 01:42
You'll notice that there are no Whoopi Goldberg types spewing filth and siding up with the cadidates on this campaign. I hand it to Bush for running an ethical high-class effort. That Kerry would allow such hateful and divisive commentary, and even commend it speaks volumes. Go Bush!!

From: Andrew Dagwell Date: 11-Jul-2004 16:17
I agree completely! The civility displayed by the two different groups of viewers is amazing. Quite an eye opener really. One can only conclude that democratic partisans are rude and belligerent.

I see nowhere near the hateful things said (none at this point) in the Kerry/Edwards gallery as I do in this one. Tells me all I need to know about these opposing sides. You can argue it if you want to waste your breath, but there it is.....

From: Ralph Vanover Date: 09-Jul-2004 18:36
I think it's very interesting that as of right now there are two similar galleries in the Popular Galleries section. One (this one) and another of a Kerry rally. Both contain very good images. What is curious to me is that the Bush gallery gets the crude and hateful comments while the Kerry gallery gets a total pass. Makes a body wonder.

From: Tim Date: 04-Jul-2004 19:09
It is so sad that this great nation is so divided. "Your" president, who campaigned as a "uniter not a divider," has torn this country apart, figuratively and literally. America's greatest hope for the future is that the voters will send Bush back to Texas so we can begin to heal the wounds that divide us all.

From: Jan Date: 02-Jul-2004 17:21
thanks for sharing coverage of OUR visiting Pres. - I wish we could bombard sites with GOOD STUFF regarding our Pres - and overwhelm the Michael Moore movie - boooooooo on it
but hey? free speech makes the world go round - just wish he'd jump off the go round

From: Guest Date: 29-Jun-2004 01:16
great pictures. Strong supporter of the president. will be ashame if the libs will even come close to getting kerry in office. Hate to see what would happen..

From: Guest Date: 17-Jun-2004 19:01
Great Shots,you have a good eye to go with good equipment, keep it up, This topic has brought the worst of the worst out in people, I hope GOD will bless America anyway.

From: jgdoran Date: 12-Jun-2004 01:54
Excellent pictures! Thanks for sharing them. john

From: Chuck Kuhn Date: 11-Jun-2004 20:46
Well I'm one of the few who is deciding our next President. I'm independent and have always voted for the person. The Right loves this man, The Left wants a change or ABB (Anybody But Bush). So the 8 to 10 percent (like me) are going to decide. The Worst case is Bush wins and YOU have 4 more years. My feeling, lets make the change now. This Great Country is divided and not united, This Great country is hurting from the inside.
This gallery is part of Photography. It's a shame WE are divided and it starts at the TOP. Thanks for sharing the photo's...

From: Guest Date: 11-Jun-2004 12:15
Legals rights:

ALL photos are the sole property of TEXACO, CHEVRON, BP, MOBILE, SHELL, USA GAS.

From: Guest Date: 11-Jun-2004 12:13
- A beautiful and advanced camera is wasted on such a dumb subject.

From: Guest Date: 11-Jun-2004 11:56
Hey George! How are you enjoying your first shipment of crude oil from the United States of Iraq ? What? You forgot to tell everyone the first oil tanker that left Iraq was sold to Texaco? It's ok, I won't blame you.

It's better for our boys to think their fighting for a better cause. Now, what was this war about again? Oh yeah, to buy cheaper oil and sell it to the dumb Americans for more.

Thanks. I hope you'll remind us about the cause of this war in November.

PS. Have you seen Bin Laden around lately?

From: Guest Date: 10-Jun-2004 14:29
I love how Georgie manages to look like a giant douche in every picture.

From: Robert Plant VI Date: 01-Jun-2004 06:19
I am a leftist, but these are well executed pictures! good job!

From: Guest Date: 28-May-2004 14:56
hahaha great comment...

Weichbecher

From: Guest Date: 28-May-2004 11:05
Great man, great gallery.

To the leftists out there, get ready for 4 more years of W!

From: Guest Date: 27-May-2004 08:55
HA ha .... how funny, you are the best!

From: Guest Date: 27-May-2004 01:39
Great photos - weird complaints.

I have just read the last comment/question. Strange....

There is no post by a "guest" on 24 May at 03:27.

I assume he means 24 May at 03:47.

A bit strange to ask the question because the person made no comment at all about Irak, or even about Iraq. It was simply a post about the murder of 3000+ civilians on Sept 11 2001 and asking why, according to an earlier comment, that act was somehow not the fault of the murderers.

We don't think Europeans are stupid - really we don't - honestly. Just European.

From: Guest Date: 26-May-2004 13:04
Dear Guest 24.May 03:27

please explain to a stupid european what has the 11. Sep. 2001 to do with Irak??

Guest from Switzerland

From: W. Tracy Parnell Date: 26-May-2004 01:58
Good photos-go Bush-2004!

From: Guest Date: 26-May-2004 01:29
Guessed you would say that. You assumed - wrong. My point is proved.

From: guest Date: 25-May-2004 22:57
My point is proved.

From: Guest Date: 25-May-2004 22:25
I Don't agree. I think everyone should ignore you.

I have read all the posts in this page. In my opinion, the "nut cases" are those who say, despite all the evidence, that somehow the USA is the evil party here. I agree with him. If you don't, how come you are not 'nut case'. See - isn't democracy wonderful?

From: guest Date: 25-May-2004 19:23
Ignore him everyone.
'Nick' in 'Australia' is clearly a nutcase.

From: Guest Date: 24-May-2004 23:10
Hey...."Doctor" James Masden.

Not so. You assume more than you know. I judged his actions which exist completely apart from whoever I may be. That does not change what he did. I am identified earlier. I stopped using my own identifier because the torrent of personal abuse heaped on me simply because I dared to say that simply taking pictures of a speech by the president does not represent terrorism etc.

Unless a person has a registered account here is is effectively impossible to idfentify anyone. Even registered accounts are a record of what people say they are.

My nane is Nick, I live in Australia. Happy? And...Mr Dinesh is still a coward because he puts his opinion here and censors comment in his own photo page. That is a statement of fact.

A "perceptive psychiatrist"??!! Yawn. Wow, what does that say about you?

From: Dr. James Madsen Date: 24-May-2004 16:45
I find it facinating that the one who called another Pbase member 'a coward', is himself being very cowardly - he hides who he is and insults other members from an anonymous 'guest' account.
Just an observation from a perceptive psychiatrist.

From: Guest Date: 24-May-2004 03:47
So.....

"People don't fly planes into buildings, unless we've done something really bad to them."

By that logic, any person who is ever mugged, murdered, robbed, raped etc must have done something "really bad" to the person. I don't think so. Mr Bin Laden and his murderers are just liars and murderers.

From: Guest Date: 24-May-2004 03:44
Hey, Dinish.

You are a coward!!!

You are happy to post your views her but delete comments on your own page. Typical!!!

From: Dinesh Perera Date: 23-May-2004 20:18
War is not the answer. Terrorism, ultimately, is a problem of the human heart, and cannot be won or solved with greater violence.
Peace in the world begins with peace in our hearts.

From: Can't we just get along? Date: 23-May-2004 16:09
I don't think the U.S caused 9-11, but it certainly did contribute to it. People don't fly planes into buildings, unless we've done something really bad to them.
Don't forget Bin Laden fought against the Russians in Afghanistan for years, and was supported by the CIA. When the Russians withdrew, the U.S. abandoned Afghanistan, and let it sink into civil war. The CIA used the Mujahedin for it's own selfish ends and didn't give a hoot about Afghanistan or it's people. That infuriated Bin Laden. (Source: BBC News). Talk about selfish, self-centered U.S. foreign policy. Talk about creating bad Karma. Talk about sowing the seeds for 9-11.
The terrorists are nuts, but we have contributed to that. We have done a lot of bad things around the world to a lot of people, and we have to look at that.

From: Guest Date: 23-May-2004 12:34
Hey...Dinish. Guess what? America didn't 'cause' 9/11. Evil men, who hate Americans and Australians, and the English, and Russians, and Saudi Arabians, and the Spanish, and Costa Ricans, and Afghanistanis, and Kenyans etc etc etc - basically everyone who they think disagrees with them or has something they don't have - they caused 9/11. It is called "murder". It is "bad". Courts in free countries like ours don't allow as an excuse for murder - "but judge, it was ok because......" Be thankful you don't live in a coun try like they want.

And, by the way, I'd be inclined to give some credence to the murderers if, in their own lives they didn't practive the personal hypocricy that they do. The need to be talkiing to a shrink not to the world.

And, the nutcase who posted his junior high school thesis ...... ho hum, read it all before.

From: Dinesh Perera Date: 21-May-2004 18:49

The United States will LOSE the Iraq war. And it deserves to.
It's American selfishness, arrogance, and self righteousness that caused 9-11, and it's that very same same selfishness, arrogance and righteousness that's got us into this Iraq mess. It's high time we started looking at ourselves and the evil we've done around the world. What goes around comes around...It came back to us on 9-11, and it will come back to us in Iraq.

From: zupazapa Date: 21-May-2004 08:22
nice pics, good job

all you haters suck...so don't

From: Guest Date: 21-May-2004 01:50
The U.S. government established itself as an imperial power at the turn of the 20th century with the Spanish-American War--when it grabbed colonies in the Caribbean and Pacific. The U.S. "liberated" the Philippines from Spain by killing close to 1 million Filipinos in order to seize the country as a beachhead for U.S. ambitions in Asia.

Most of the time, the U.S. preferred enforcing its dominion by quick military strikes to squelch popular movements for democracy and install friendly dictators. But Washington didn't hesitate to become a colonial occupier. It invaded and ruled over Panama (1901 to 1911), Nicaragua (1912 to 1933), Haiti (1914 to 1934), the Dominican Republic (1916 to 1924) and Cuba (1917 to 1933).

And where the U.S. military went in Latin America, U.S. big business was intimately involved. As Marine Corps Gen. Smedley Butler famously explained his role during this era: "I spent most of my time being a high-class muscle man for big business, for Wall Street and for the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism...Looking back on it, I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."

America's rulers have tried to bury this bloody history. Like every power before it, the U.S. government claims lofty principles as the justifications for its wars. In recent months, Bush and the right-wing ideologues who serve him have turned to the mythology of the Second World War to find a cover story for their war on Iraq.

The U.S. fought the Second World War, they claim, not for imperialist motives, but to liberate Germany and Japan from totalitarianism and bring democracy. And "after defeating enemies," Bush recently boasted, "we did not leave behind occupying armies, we left constitutions and parliaments."

This simply isn't true. The U.S. still maintains massive military bases in both Japan and Germany--bases that it has used ever since the war to manipulate politics in the two countries. In Japan, far from liberation, the U.S. waged a racist and barbaric war--and from 1945 to 1952, it presided over an occupation.

During the fighting, the U.S. ruling class had whipped up frenzy of hatred. Time magazine, for example, raved, "The ordinary unreasoning Jap is ignorant. Perhaps he is human. Nothing...indicates it." President Franklin Roosevelt interned 120,000 Japanese Americans in concentration camps.

After defeating Japanese forces across the Pacific, the U.S. closed out the war by firebombing civilian neighborhoods in Tokyo and other major cities. Forty percent of Japan's urban areas were burned to the ground, killings tens of thousands and making millions more homeless.

The final act in this campaign of terror was the dropping of the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki--two civilian targets. The bombs and radiation poisoning killed more than 340,000 people.

Once Japan surrendered, the U.S. occupied the country with 430,000 troops--who went on a crime spree. In the Kanagawa prefecture, for example, Japanese historian Takemae Eiji documents that U.S. soldiers committed 1,336 rapes in the first 10 weeks of the occupation. The invading army took over the only standing buildings in some areas--and built themselves luxurious new homes amid a Japanese population that was destitute.

Unlike its occupations of undeveloped countries, the U.S. was taking over an advanced capitalist society that it hoped to reintegrate into the world order as a junior partner. In the initial phase of the occupation until 1947, the U.S. aimed to rehabilitate a section of the old guard, while granting reforms that would head off a revolution.

U.S. officials imposed a new Peace Constitution, granted both men and women the right to vote, conducted war crimes tribunals, purged hundreds of thousands of militarists from public life and broke up the power of the Japanese military. But these measures were all designed to stabilize the country under a conservative leadership that would serve U.S. interests.

First of all, this was no real democracy. An American general, Douglas MacArthur, decided all of the important questions. With the threat of hundreds of thousands of soldiers under his command, MacArthur would issue orders to the Japanese government, which had no choice but to obey.

Moreover, the U.S. poured old wine into new bottles. Instead of abolishing the monarchy, MacArthur decided to retain Emperor Hirohito--provided he would help convince the Japanese to obey the U.S.

The U.S. also relied on the reactionary, elitist and undemocratic bureaucracy of the old state. In Japan's new electoral politics, the U.S. backed a section of the old guard led by Yoshida Shigeru, who, after initially resisting many reforms, collaborated with the U.S. in controlling the country as standing prime minister for all but one year of the occupation.

Even with the emperor, bureaucracy and reformed old guard ruling the country, the U.S. was still suspicious of the Japanese people. So it set up the Civil Censorship Detachment to muzzle the media and monitor private phone conversations and personal letters.

Even limited democracy was denied to oppressed populations in Japan. The U.S. disenfranchised Koreans--and scapegoated them as unreliable elements who might be agents of Communist North Korea. On the strategically located island of Okinawa, off the southwest coast of Japan, the U.S. set up a dictatorship that robbed peasants of the best farmland to build military bases.

While the U.S. cared only to strengthen its grip on power, the masses of Japan took their limited democratic rights seriously. Driven by hunger and economic crisis, workers--often led by the Japanese Communist Party--struck for higher wages and benefits, occupied workplaces to keep them from closing, and prepared for a general strike against the Yoshida government, set for February 1, 1947. Okinawans, Koreans and other oppressed groups fought for democratic rights.

The whole of Japan was in rebellion a year into occupation. Washington began to fear that it would lose Japan and the rest of Asia to Russia. Already by 1947, in China, Mao's Communists were beating the U.S. puppet Chiang Kai-shek in the country's civil war.

U.S. policymakers feared that the countries of Asia would fall to Russia like dominos--maybe even their super-domino, Japan. To prevent this, the U.S. abandoned the democratic gloss of the first phase of the occupation. As in the U.S., Japan's Communist Party was witch-hunted.

Using the cover of the witch-hunt, U.S. forces repressed the working-class uprising, banning the planned general strike, attacking workers' protests and taking away union rights from more than half of public-sector workers.

In 1950, the U.S. imposed an austerity budget called the Dodge Plan that threw the country into a depression--and Japanese companies took advantage, firing hundreds of thousands of unionized employees.

With the social rebellion suppressed, "conservative political forces within Japan joined with their American sponsors to rebuild the nation in ways that bore an uncanny resemblance to the prewar order," wrote historian Michael Schaller.

The U.S. "de-purged" hundreds of thousands of war criminals, built a new Japanese army led by officers from the old Imperial Army and aided the economic revitalization of the old monopolies. Japan would serve as the main base for Washington's wars to maintain its influence in Asia and the Pacific--in Korea, the Philippines, Vietnam and elsewhere.

The U.S. granted Japan independence in 1952, but it was able to control the country like a puppetmaster for years afterward. Washington used its military bases as a stick to bully Japan into line--and old pre-war bureaucracy had grown so powerful during the U.S. occupation that it, and not the elected government, decided most important economic and political questions. For these reasons, author Chalmers Johnson calls Japan not a democracy, but an authoritarian regime "remarkably similar to that of the former East Germany."

Washington and the Nazis

WHAT HAPPENED to the other conquered enemy in the Second World War? Unlike Japan, which the U.S. controlled outright, Germany was partitioned into eastern and western halves by the U.S., Britain and France on one side, and Russia on the other.

The U.S. set up a direct government to rule over its section of occupied Germany. The civilian administrator was John McCloy, who played a key role in the decision to drop the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

The Nuremberg war crimes trials punished the top layer of the former Nazi regime. But the U.S. feared another wave of revolution, similar to the one that exploded in Russia and the rest of Europe following the First World War.

So Washington hired Nazis for the core of a new state. As a representative from the U.S. spy agency explained: "They say, 'Why did you use the Nazis?' That is a stupid question. It would have been impossible for us to operate in southern Germany without using Nazis...Who knew Germany better than anyone else? Who were the most organized? Who were the most anti-Communist? Former Nazis."

As the Cold War standoff with Russia became the U.S. government's top priority, plans to try leading industrialists from major companies like Krupps--who had bankrolled the Nazis--were abandoned.

The U.S. quickly rebuilt the West German economy--as a counterweight to Russia's Eastern European empire. A new conservative party, the Christian Democrats, was put together to rule West Germany in accordance with U.S. demands.

The Marshall Plan to reconstruct Western Europe was introduced for two reasons--to stabilize the crisis-torn societies in order to prevent revolution, and to rebuild a market for U.S. products and investments.

Under the cover of "humanitarianism"

BETWEEN THE two Gulf Wars against Iraq in 1991 and 2003, the U.S. government carried out a number of "humanitarian" interventions. But the reality was different behind the rhetoric.

--"Operation Restore Hope," the 1992 mission that sent 30,000 Marines into Somalia to help feed starving people by protecting food convoys blocked by local warlords, won the support of many liberals. But Somalis rightly came to view the U.S. as an occupier, not a liberator. The CIA estimates that some 10,000 Somalis were killed during the U.S. intervention. Those who survived were left with a country steeped in even worse violence.

--"Operation Restore Democracy," launched less than a year later in Haiti, promised to reinstall the elected president Jean-Bertrand Aristide, who had been overthrown by the military in 1991. But instead of going after the coup leaders, U.S. troops went after the Haitian people. While Raul Cedras and fellow death squad leaders escaped the country to live on millions stowed away in Swiss bank accounts, Haiti's people were terrorized by the former dictatorship's police, who patrolled the streets with U.S. troops as part of the interim police force.

--In 1999, the U.S. led a NATO bombing campaign against Serbia with the stated aim of stopping "ethnic cleansing" of Albanians in Kosovo. Not only did the air war wreck Serbia's civilian infrastructure, but it caused a refugee crisis in Kosovo--which Washington cynically used as an excuse for the occupation to come. After the war, Albanians carried out ethnic cleansing in reverse against Serbs in Kosovo--under the noses of "peacekeeping" troops.

Washington isn't just a failure at bringing democracy abroad. It's utterly incapable of it.


From: Olga Hayes Date: 20-May-2004 23:23
Viva los Estados Unidos de America! What a great democracy that we have the courage to air our dirty laundry in front of everyone to see. Close all the borders, don't let anyone else come in and see the same detractors complain about that. And next time Europe, or anyone else in the world needs our help to fight their Hitlers, Stalins, and Husseins let's tell them to put their children in the front line...ours will follow way behind.
George Bush stupid? I think not! In the end the American people will decide, and who ever is elected is our choice not yours. Limpia tu casa antes de limpiar la nuestra.
By the way you took great pictures.

From: dloftus Date: 20-May-2004 19:20
Guest,

Weapons of mass distruction have been found in Iraq and there are connections between Sadam and Al Quiada as found in confiscated documents. Brainwahsed? No, just open minded enough not to buy into the liberal press and anit-American crowd.

I'm not saying our government is perfect (Heaven knows I have issure with our government and I'm not always happy about Bush's agenda), but it is not as bad as many seem to think.

From: guest Date: 20-May-2004 18:30
The average American is not an evil hate monger/OCCUPIER/KILLER

The problem is that the Fundamentalist Christians and Jews and Neo Conservatives want to kill off everyone and have the Jews in Palestine SO THAT JESUS WILL RETURN. This is according to your AVERAGE WACO EVANGELICAL CHRISTIAN.

SAY NO TO BUSH/RUMSFELD/ASHCROFT/BOYKIN/CHENNEY
SAY NOT TO FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIANITY
SAY NO TO ZIONISM

WE HAVE TO TAKE AMERICA BACK FROM THE WACOS WHO HAVE EVEN CRAZIER IDEAS.....

From: guest Date: 20-May-2004 18:20
1. "The objectives were not political or social, they were to liberate the Iraqi people."
I see someone's been brainwashed by the administration propoganda. The objective as stated by Bush was to find the (imaginary) weapons of mass destruction. Now that it's clear that the WMD don't exist, and that Saddam had no connection to 9-11 or Osama Bin Laden, the objective, according to the propaganda, has become "to liberate the Iraqi people." What a bunch of B.S.!! If that's the case why doesn't the U.S. "liberate" the North Koreans, the Tibetans, and many other oppressed people? Why? Because the United States acts around the world with it's own selfish interests in mind. Witness the dozens of brutal dictators and repressive regimes around the world that it's supported over the decades to further it's own selfish, mypoic interests. Iraq is no different. On 9-11 Osama bin Laden killed 3000 innocent people. Since then George Bush has killed at least 10,000 innocents in Afghanistan and Iraq. Bush has more blood on his hands than Bin Laden.

From: dloftus Date: 20-May-2004 15:07
1. America did not act illegally. It acted on U.N. resolutions. The fact that Koffi AnnanÕs son, along with many others, was getting rich off the ÒOil for FoodÓ program, which was documented by an internal U.N. audit, is the reason the U.N. was not interested in acting against Iraq.

2. The actions of the Coalition Forces was not meant to intimidate or coerce, they were meant to remove an evil dictator from power. They were successful

3. The objectives were not political or social, they were to liberate the Iraqi people. There is now more water, electricity and oil flowing than before the war. The average Iraqi is better off than under Sadam and they are glade we are there.

From: Guest Date: 19-May-2004 11:38

TERRORISM as defined by the FBI, "the unlawful use of force against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population or any segment thereof, in the furtherance of political or social objectives". This definition includes three elements: (1) Terrorist activities are illegal and involve the use of force. (2) The actions are intended to intimidate or coerce. (3) The actions are committed in support of political or social objectives.

This makes the US government the biggest terrorist in the world. Makes Bin Laden look like a piss-ant rank amateur.

From: alberto giron Date: 18-May-2004 21:30
not terrorism, not war....NOT BUSH!!!

Michael Moore is god...bush is a murderer terrorist

you can visit my website:

http://www.pbase.com/muymalo

From: Global Patriot Date: 18-May-2004 17:51
America must really be the most generous country in the world! Even though
she is 500 billion Dollars in debt herself, she still has the generosity to
keep subsidising Israel to the tune of at least 3 bn USD per year. It is
all the more impressive when you consider that the Jewish people constitute
only around 2% of the US population! But, hang on... these Dollar 'cheques'
haven't any backing, have they? I mean, if everyone in the whole world took
them to the Bank of America, there just wouldn't be enough to go round.
So... this means that the rest of the world is really subsidising Israel as
well as the American taxpayer! Well, good on them, and more money for the bulldozers! And President (to be) Kerry thinks so too...

From: Andrew Dagwell Date: 18-May-2004 16:09
Wow! These are just pictures, people! By the way I think they're great, Rick!

From: from Moskva with love Date: 18-May-2004 15:27

Guest from lovely Switzerland...

I wouldn't say he is the biggest terrorist ever... he has some pretty good competition even from his own fellow US presidents responsible for amongst many other horrors... the genocide and degredation of Native American tribes, the world's largest forced slave force (ever) and the continued racist oppression of blacks and hispanics in America, the unnecessary war crimes of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the genocide of millions of Cambodians and Vietnamese, the heartless genocide of 500,000 Iraqis in ten years of vindictive, cruel sanctions enforced by the US and UK on Iraq etc etc...

I'm sure there's some perfectly logical and absurd justfication in each case.

The sad, horrific truth is that the world's bastiion of truth, freedom, apple pie and "civilisation" has, since 9-11, killed at least FIVE TIMES as many innocent civillians in Iraq and Afghanisatan as were killed in New York. But who cares anyway... they aint white and you can't watch their relatives telling stories on TV...

p.s. Keep building those clocks and that exporting that lovely chocolate!


From: Guest Date: 18-May-2004 14:09
Why are you posting pictures of the world biggest Terrorist EVER?

Guest from Switzerland

From: Guest Date: 18-May-2004 12:40
You always seem so passionate that, if even one person disagrees with you, they must somehow be “illogical” and/or “illegitimate”, and/or a “propagandist”, and/or a “slaughterer”, and/or a “baby killer”, and/or “dishonest”, and/or “brainwashed”.

Not so.

We could, but don’t, say the same about you.

We simply see the same totality of information and form a different world view. Believe it or not, it is impossible. We do not accept the epithets you throw nor do we agree with the logic behind them.

Sorry if that upsets you.

From: Guest Date: 18-May-2004 12:27

"To say "...Afghan babies murdered by US bombs for oil..." and "Semper fidelis.... to the truth" effectively in the same breath!?!"

OK let's look at this logically.

a) By the most conservative (legitimate, not propoganda) estimates out there the "war on terror" has cost the lives of approx 4000 Afghan civillian and approx 10,000 Iraqi civillians. This gives us a grand total of 14 000 minimum innocents slaughtered.

b) If you factor in the baby (let's say under-3 year old age category) as a percentage of say, 7.5 percent (a quite low estimate for countries that have very young populations), that will gve us a total of 1050 dead babies

c) I agree that technically is not "thousands" (1.1 thousand) but isn't that enough?!?


As for the "for oil" bit every intelligent and honest (non-brainwashed) person in this world knows that hundreds of billions of dollars are not spent to find non-existant WMDs nor to save the Arabs from that horrible moustashioed man.



Remember, many respected commentators believe the civillian death toll in Iraq is closer to 15-20 thousand and that death toll is rising very day.

From: Guest Date: 18-May-2004 12:09
Rick,

Ignore the rabid haters below. They are usually the ones who 'shout' loudest on web forums etc but they are not (despite their repeated assertions to the contrary and claims that everyone else is a dumb fascist rascist) either right or representative of most people.

To call a series of photos of what is simply a public meeting "the most repulsive subject matter ever" simply proves the point. They prove their irrationality out of their own mouths.

To say "...Afghan babies murdered by US bombs for oil..." and "Semper fidelis.... to the truth" effectively in the same breath!?! To believe that is to not know what truth is.

These people could have written the plot for George Orwell's "1984" and they are doing a great job of trying to act it out. They probably still mourn Andropov and Stalin etc and think Castro is just a misunderstood and loveable old rogue.

Good luck to them and I agree with their right to express their view. I read and think - my mind is open to all points of view. Yet, strange as they may think - I don't agree with them. I'm not a devil, a fascist, a murderer, uneducated, a WASP, a rascist, a gun-owner....I'm just not in agreement with them. I'm glad they live in a country where they can express their views. They could not in Irag untill last year. They can not in most or the middle east now. They can not in Cuba. They could not in Russia and most of Easter Europe for most of the 20th century. They can in the USA.

However, despite the passion of their views, they are not representative of even the majority on the left, let alone the majority of the the whole.

BTW - Great photos.

From: wide load ([e-mail]) Date: 18-May-2004 07:41

Well done Rick!!!

Excelent stab at "the most repulsive subject matter ever".

I think you'll place above fornicating brown rats in a new york sewer, but slightly lower than pictures of tortured Iraqis, sexually abused in a systematic, fascist US military torture programme. And definitely lower than the pictures of thousands of dead Iraqi and Afghan babies murdered by US bombs for oil...

Good try though!!!

Semper fidelis.... to the truth!

From: Chris Warburton Date: 18-May-2004 02:46
Thanks for sharing the photographs!

From: David Winge Date: 17-May-2004 20:26
Good photos, I have to admit I am changing my mind about the world situation, first of all, I am very happy to live in a country where there is freedom of speech, just like this! Secondly, I am of the opinion we need to leave these countries that bite the hand that feeds them, I would give them no more aid and let them have their dictators.

From: Werner Wolf Date: 17-May-2004 16:45
Great pictures...thanks for sharing.

From: Matias ([e-mail]) Date: 17-May-2004 00:35
Compañeros:

Tendré el orgullo de expresarme en mi idioma. Si alguien está interesado en entender puede utilizar el traductor de google.

Cuando uno pone una galería con fotos de Bush está expuesto a transformar lo suyo en un foro. Y, como este es un foro, quiero decirles que cada día más detesto la estupidez con la que los norteamericanos razonan en política. Sólo a nivel de ideales y de ideas sus argumentos valen la pena, pero en la práctica distan mucho de eso.

¿Que relación hay entre que yo crea que Bush es Imbécil -y lo digo con absoluto conocimiento de la terminología-, y que el pueblo norteamericano que lo apoya es retrógrado, ególatra, ciego y corto placista, y que yo sea un "amante de árabes"?.

Eso es falso. En mi vida he visto menos de 10 árabes. He visto muchos mas asesinatos y masacres cometidos en nombre del inútil progreso de norteamérica. Son ustedes un pueblo repulsivo a los ojos del mundo, y agradezco a aquellos que mantienen la voz de denuncia y desagrado en alto, pues son ellos los norteamericanos con los que uno, aquí afuera -en las colonias, el submundo del imperio) se identifica.

Desde acá protestamos, pero la voz se oye mas fuerte cuando es desde adentro. Como civiles norteamericanos creo que es su deber terminar con esta locura de décadas. Por Dios!, hagan con su país algo productivo... ¿que pensarán sus futuras generaciones?. Razonen sin la lógica de la estupidez, y verán que no estamos a favor de "los arábes", que ese no es el tema, que en la guerra hay inocentes en todos los bandos.

El tema es que deja de ser inocente uno cuando comienza a tomar acciones desde una parte; ustedes, al apoyar las matanzas, dejan de ser inocentes.


From: d70milano Date: 16-May-2004 13:15
Funny

From: Guest Date: 16-May-2004 09:07








From: ListenUp Date: 15-May-2004 14:56
Be a good american....dont try to think...never remove your blinders!
http://homepage.mac.com/leperous/PhotoAlbum1.html

From: Freedom fries baby!!!!! Date: 15-May-2004 09:38

I'm sick and tired of all these arab-loving aholes on this site. We saved them from Saddam, they should be grateful. So what, we take some of their oil... what were they going to do with it anyway?!? What have arabs ever done in this world, huh? Where's their civilisation? We've been around for 200 years, they've been around for 5000, but look at us, we don't piss and moan..we get on with building the greatest free country in the world: the US of A!!!! This is a battle of the civilised and the uncivilised. We're civilised... they're not. God is with us, not with them...let's pray for those we have to kill to save.

And this torture nonsense what's that all about? It can't be worse than what they got under Saddam after all. Jerks should be happy we're there to handle all their criminals. Brought a tear to my eye to see Rummy over there, bringing up the morale of our troops, showing them that he doesn't believe all the LIES told in (circumstantial) pictures. So they snap one or two souvenirs for their parents back home in Arkansas and Dakota, what's the big deal? Who're they hurting?!? Anyway it was only a handful of over-exited kids, I'm sure this is very rare over there.

sigining off...

Go USA, Go BUSH and CHENEY 2004, Go Freedom, Go civilisation!!!!!

Semper-fi!!! My-Lai!!!!

Yeeeeee-haaaaaah!!!

From: Guest Date: 15-May-2004 01:08

This is the original "guest" that spoke to "oz"... those pictures below have got nothing to do with me! Guest indicates an "anonymous" post... doh!

Your president (or should I say frontman for Rumsfeld and Cheney) is an international laughing stock (or at least he was until the killing started)... he can't string two words together if it isn't on an autocue and even then he has some difficulty. How many times can he rearrange the same child-like few words (folks, good, bad, evil, civilisation, enemies, terrorism, freedom, good guys, bad guys and pretzel) into different sentences before he runs out? When he's in trouble he even has to call on his poodle B. Liar to fly over all the way from London to construct coherent lies, erm...speeches on television in his place. You'd think that repulsive, emotionless, uncle-tom hag Con. "I think I'm Kissinger" Rice could write a few words on a napkin for him? She's a genius after oil... get it? :)

p.s. poster below: you really shouldn't compare Dubya to chimps. As an animal lover I have to ask, what the hell have they ever done to deserve that?


From: Nick_oz Date: 15-May-2004 00:48
Hey, "Jammie Dodgers",

What facts would you want? It is not I who is the originator of the discourse. Mr "Guest" is. I'm simply (read the thread) suggesting that he allow the person to post some pictures without abusing him and fouling his web page.

From: Nick_oz Date: 15-May-2004 00:37
Guest - finally, showing your true colours. If you don't agree with someone, shout at them, lie about them, disrupt their right to speak while insist on your right to do so, and in fact your "right" to shout them down, accuse them of being deranged as a comfortable wayt of rationalising and supporting your agenda, make infantile signs and present them as supposedly rational discourse. You are a very very sad person.

From: Guest Date: 15-May-2004 00:16
"Well, I guess the photojournalism/not expressing any political views statement was not read"

It's like the poster said below...

a. Your country is at war and illegally occupying two sovereign nations

b. this man is the face of the colonial occupation and brutalisation of the Iraqi people, that is happening as we speak.

c. You've taken shots of him posing at some grotesque pep rally / propoganda event, holding up babies while his soldiers kill Iraqi babies every week e.g the 700 Iraqis killed in Najaf by (indiscriminate bombing of a civillian area and trigger happy snipers) in one week. How would you feel if your hometown was attacked by helicopter gunships, airplanes and snipers with 700 dying in one week? Football pitches turned into mass graves by "liberators". Well? That was just one week and just one city. Think about it!

Conservative estimates put the total Iraqi civillian death toll at 11 000 in the past year. Do you know how many children that is incinerated, crushed, shot, vapourised by US weapons? I wonder how strong your convictions would be if you saw even one of these dead children in front of you?

How can you not expect "political" responses?!?

From: Jim Nesterwitz Date: 14-May-2004 21:48
Well, I guess the photojournalism/not expressing any political views statement was not read. I think it is a well constructed gallery and the pictures are very good, even though you were shooting from some distance.

From: Guest Date: 14-May-2004 20:00

LOL!

I think the usual way to phrase it is "adds 2 and 2 and gets 5".

Go figure, can't add 2 and 2 and believes Fox News ;)

From: surfing usa Date: 14-May-2004 19:25

"Another person who adds 2 and 2 and gets 22"

In cartesian maths 2 + 2 is 22 (kind of) :)

From: (jammy dodgers) Date: 14-May-2004 17:36

Don't want to get into an argument with anyone here, but I have noticed no facts whatsoever from mr Oz to back up his points (are you Aussie? I'm from south Sydney).

Also what is a "geezer" or a "brummie"?






From: Nick_oz Date: 14-May-2004 17:12
By the way....know any other big words? I've never heard them - honestly. It really impresses me when you say them....
almost as much as when you say "moron", "fascist", "nazi", "deluded", "ignorant", "areselicking", "crap", "whinny" (?), "blindfold", etc. And saying things in BIG CAPITAL letters, that is very impressive too. And saying words over and over and over and over, that really makes you much more smarterer that us dumb people.

From: Nick_oz Date: 14-May-2004 17:03
Ahh....

Another person who adds 2 and 2 and gets 22.

Typical of left loonies to do that....take a statement...extrapolate it to an (apparently)similar statement, align to another similarly extrapolated statement, then use false logic to contruct a third proposition which they then ascribe to the person making the first statement - and then criticise the person as if they made the flawed proposition.

It is sometimes called setting up a straw man....

You fail first level debating my friend.

From: (Big oil tanker) Date: 14-May-2004 15:29

"Just you, again, making the mistake of all in the left - adding 2 and 2 and coming up with "absolute, irrrefutable proof and evidence" that the answer is 22"

quite strange when you look at the poster's logic:

1)Sadaam bad for Iraqi people (true)
2)US captured Sadaam (true)
3)Therefore US good for Iraqi people (false)

That's called sophism (look it up in the dictionary... hint: it's in alphabetical order)


From: the streets (brum) Date: 14-May-2004 14:50

Oh... what's the point?!?

you're so stuck in your own little version of "reality" even if Bush, his Dad and Nixon's ghost stood in front of you, pulled up their shirts to reveal tattoos of Iraq with Shell, Exxon and BP labelling on their chests you still would insist they invaded it for - (insert implausble lie) - and call the local looney bin to bring the straightjackets.

It's on the backs of deluded morons like you that Nazism was built (they're working in communities, safe with their families, all 8 million of them....honest!)

From: Nick_oz Date: 14-May-2004 14:43
Wrong again Brum....you guys are so predictable...LOL.

Referring to Afghanistan and Iraq.

Does it happens elswhere? Yes. Is that wrong? Yes.

Mendacity...wow - big word. You must be really REALLY clever.

No, not mendacity. Just you, again, making the mistake of all in the left - adding 2 and 2 and coming up with "absolute, irrrefutable proof and evidence" that the answer is 22 - while the rest of normal people usually just laugh quietly at you or smile indulgently.


From: the streets (brum) Date: 14-May-2004 14:30

"state sactioned public beheadings of women"? Dictatorship? LOL! You just described Saudi Arabia, the US's long time second best buddy in the middle east. Or how about the lovely President Azamov of Uzbekistan (staunch ally of the US in it's "war on terror"): he has a penchant for boiling political enemies ALIVE in water (yes you read right).

Torture and vile capital punishment goes on in many countries, are the US going to invade all of them? Or support them where convinient? Hmm... let me think...

Also remember that guy Sadaam with the big moustache, he was the US's best friend in the middle east until he became awkward. Guess what... he was killing, torturing, committing genocide then too. In fact it was the lovely Cowboy Raygun and Rummy and Bush senior that were supplying the weapons to kill innocent Kurds and Iranian villagers in their tousands with chemical weapons in the Iran/Iraq war. That's right... most of Sadaam's WMD were US sourced in the 1980s!!!

Talking about capital punishmet, you realise that Iran is the only country in the world apart from the US that executes people for crimes that committed as minors. A needle is much prettier than a head coming off isn't it?

Your ignorance or mendacity (whichever it is) keeps getting exposed more and more with every word you speak...




From: Nick_oz Date: 14-May-2004 14:21
Previous two posts were mine....seemed to default to "Guest"

From: Guest Date: 14-May-2004 14:20
Previous post was mine....apologies to "Guest"

From: Guest Date: 14-May-2004 14:13
Brum,

No problem at all. Just responding to the shouts and rants of Mr Guest and, it appears, now you also.

..."propaganda rally..." You are kidding? What, is voting an act of terrorism by the west too?

..."wars of aggression..." against regimes that held state sactioned public beheadings of women who were accused by their husbands of "defiling" them because the woman was raped? Against regimes that ripped out your tongue if you spoke against them? You are kidding?

You are angered and shout just because you see a picture? Please - stay in England.

Oops - sorry, posted again.

From: the streets (Brum) Date: 14-May-2004 14:06

Sorry, meant to say:

even with your weird logic do you honestly think that the US would spend HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS to give the iraqis "freedom" while at the same time, with the same US treasury funds they support violent dictatorships in Saudi and Uzbekistan with the same money (to name but two closeby)???

If the US gov cares about human lives, why not invade the Congo where 4 million plus lives have been lost in some of the worst genocide the world has ever seen, just in the past 5 years? Why stand by during the Rwanda genocide? Well then?

Let me see, what has Iraq got in gigantic quantities that the Congo and Rwanda hasn't? Hmm... it's a toughie.

Is the answer:

a) WMDs

b) Cuddly gorillas

c) OIL


You've got a 1/3 chance of getting the right answer if you guess!


From: the streets (brum) Date: 14-May-2004 13:58

Nick_oz what's your problem mate?

This is a gallery documenting a propoganda rally of a President that has in the past three years ordered wars of aggression that have killed 4000 Afghan civilians and 10 000 + Iraqi civillians. A minimum of 15 000 innocent humans killed at the most conservative estimates!

You expect people across the world to see these pictures and not be angered or react?

The photog should be grateful for the attention, without the subject matter he would be getting 1/100th of the attention!!!

Here in the UK I can guarantee you 90%+ of people are against this war. Blair is finished as a PM and he knows it. He's basically forced the country into a war they don't want to serve his master Bush. The story is the same in Spain and Italy. Look what happened to the Spansih governmet for their arselicking of the US.

Save the crap mate, you know perfectly well the world is against this war. Even the yanks are turning against Bush as they understand that eveything he told them was a LIE.


A five year old child having been told the facts and looking a the history of US in the middle east since the discovery of oil there could tell you this war is about OIL, OIL, OIL, OIL, OIL, OIL, OIL, OIL, OIL, OIL, OIL, OIL, OIL, OIL, OIL, OIL, OIL and more OIL.

even with your weird logic do you honestly think that the US would spend HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS

Brummie geezers against the war!




From: Nick_oz Date: 14-May-2004 12:49
Hey "Guest".....

Stop ruining this guy's web page - all he is doing, for goodness sake is showing some pictures. Right, I forgot, some people do not like that - if you hate someone (and hate is good in your opinion) then any mention or image of that person gives you the chance and right to barge in and rant and rave.

You started this - I'll just close with these responses to your statements. I won't post here again. We are guests on this page. Let's not be rude to him.

You stated - "most of the world agrees that the US occupation is about controlling oil". I'd suggest that is factually untrue. I'm not an american, not married to an american, don't work for an american company, have lived and worked in some of the countries we discuss. I know who I would trust.

You stated - "Hating is not not wrong". Hated is a poison. Compare the reaction of America to the killing of its sons and daughters - sombre, quiet, tears and prayers - with the yelling, screaming, shouting, arm waving and violence of the alternative. I choose America.

You stated - "Any person living in the West has been fed a diet of lies". Yes, agreed. But we also have access to, and listen to, the FULL range of opinion other than the lies of John Pilger and co. I respect his right to speak and I read his articles. I discern what drives them though, and I have the free choice to do so - unlike the alternatives.

You stated - "I'd like to see how much you'd yawn if you had lost most of your family to a US "precision" bomb or had your child shot by a trigger happy 18-year old Marine". I have had that happen, and the "marine" in both cases was a japanese and a german soldier. I choose America.

You stated - "John Pilger is an internationally respected journalist with more journalism rewards than you've read books (which I'm guessing is not that many)". LOL - Pilger is a darling of the left and not much else. BTW, I have read many thousands of books or very many hues and on very many subjects. You seem to base you life on ill-informed guesses - and I have to take note of you? What a joke.

From: call me Date: 14-May-2004 11:04
From Dofus:

"As for Iraq, please get a better view of the situation than what is presented by the liberal mass media. The United States is doing a lot of very good things in Iraq and most of the people like the changes they see in their country. Yes, they donÕt want us there too long, and we donÕt want to be there very long either, but we need to stay long enough for a proper transition."

Lets see. Me being an american. Lets take over Iraq and destroy everything except for police headquarters and crude oil reserves. WHAT? Suprised? Feel free to ask Mr. Oil Tycoon why. Give it up folks! Bush Jr. is trying to finish up a job that his whinny daddy couldn't. Oh, Bush jr. don't forget to bring us back some oil!

What peaceful transition? ... Hey guys remenber Bin Laden? Yeah! That guy. Remenber? ... come on Bush Jr... when your pumping gas into your CHECY SUBURBAN and paying $2.95/g don't forget to thank Bush Jr! Why, he's doing a great job! GO AMERICA!

... time to take of the blind fold and bring our boys back!

- Your fellow american

From: Guest Date: 14-May-2004 08:36

"loonies who can't help themselves but have to post narrow, one-sided and hate-filled comments."

Loonies with whom most of the world agrees that the US occupation is about controlling oil. I guess only the 100 million or so American right wingers for the war must have their sanity in this world! Clearly a watertight argument.

Hate?

Let me tell you about hate. Hating is not not wrong when the thing you hate is worthy of hate. Hating oppression whether it is perpetrated by that US creation Saddam, by Sharon, by bin Laden, by the various dicators across the world that the US supports, by Blair, by Putin or by the American governmet is not wrong!

Hating injustice, oppression, genocide, colonialism is the best thing a human being can do.

"displays precisely the same error he/she accuses others of"

How do figure that? Any person living in the West has been fed a diet of lies and deception about "freeing Iraqis", about WMD etc etc to justify this war from practically every media outlet imaginable. It is IMPOSSIBLE to avoid or listen to the lies of the occupiers!

"the world as a huge conspiracy where the USA etc is just the worst regime in all recorded history wanting to kill us, steal from us and control us. Yawn! "

That is patently a ridiciulous oversimplicafication but yes, the US is trying to steal the resources of the Iraqi people and in doing so has to "control" them often through facist methods such as those displayed everyday across Iraq and in its "jails". Easy to "yawn" when you live in the comfort of your western life, isn't it? I'd like to see how much you'd yawn if you had lost most of your family to a US "precision" bomb or had your child shot by a trigger happy 18-year old Marine...

"Actually, those sites look more like the sites of propoganda arms of dictatorships.
"

What Iraqibodcount? What are you talking about? It is a databasde of Iraqi civillian deaths, with each death compiled in the basis of a least two world-respected news sources (bbc, afc, cbs, cnn, ap, reuters etc. etc.). John Pilger is an internationally respected journalist with more journalism rewards than you've read books (which I'm guessing is not that many). He writes regulalry in mainsteam British and Australian newspapers. Dictatorship? What are you talking about???

From: Nick_oz Date: 14-May-2004 01:26
I love PBase - a great site.

Good pictures here.

As for "Guest" and his/her comments - what a jerk.

I am constantly amazaed at how any web site that, even in passing, has pictures or information on Bush or the USA or similar attracts such loonies who can't help themselves but have to post narrow, one-sided and hate-filled comments.

He/She says "have you ever bothered to seek out a different opinion to challenge your thoughts (if only to reinforce your convictions)" and actually displays precisely the same error he/she accuses others of.

I looked at the web sites he/she refereed to. They are ones I have seen before and nothing is new. The view is always extremely narrow, one-sides and sees the world as a huge conspiracy where the USA etc is just the worst regime in all recorded history wanting to kill us, steal from us and control us. Yawn!

If you think people don't and should "seek out a different opinion to challenge (their) thoughts" then how come the very web pages you refer to have one simple and narrow opinion. I don't see any deversity or recognition of diversity there. Actually, those sites look more like the sites of propoganda arms of dictatorships.

While you wan't want to acknowledge it, you would be surprised at how broadly read and considered people are in seeking out different views. I read all shades of opinion. But, shock, horror, I still think Pilger and co are liars.

From: alberto giron Date: 13-May-2004 23:42
hello enter in my web:

http://www.pbase.com/muymalo



From: jk Date: 13-May-2004 23:22
hi i'm interested in purchasing a 10d. some very nice pics there. beautifully clear and nicely focused. i like it. i don't like idiots ranting about their politics like the guests here though!

From: m Date: 13-May-2004 19:32
"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery". Thank you very much.


From: Tim Date: 13-May-2004 19:16
Doesn't he look like a little kid who just stole all of the cookies from the cookie jar?

From: Guest Date: 13-May-2004 17:04
"takes courage to do the right thing, even if it is unpopular"

Have you ever thought an original, intelligent thought in your life? Have you ever bothered to seek out a different opinion to challenge your thoughts (if only to reinforce your convictions).

Try some of the excelent and internationally respected journalism of John Pilger http://www.johnpilger.com/), or a factual database document of the many thousands of innocent Iraqis killed in the name of freedom in just 12 months with western news sources to back up the stats http://www.iraqbodycount.net/) or the firsthand accounts of an actual Iraqi in a weblog http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/).

Just try and you will soon learn the unspeakable truth of what is really going on in the world today. Challenge your brain!

From: Anna Yu Date: 13-May-2004 17:03
Nice gallery, Rick. Did you use 2 lenses, 100-400mm and 17-40? Very sharp, detailed pictures.
/Anna

From: Marlene Pfeifle Date: 13-May-2004 15:32
Wonderful! Thank you for these shots.

From: alberto giron Date: 13-May-2004 15:19
Ya veo como America es el país de la democracia. Ya veo lo que habeis tardado en borrar mi mensaje, eso en mi país, ESPAÑA, se llama censura y lo practican los dictadores.
También practican torturas, malos tratos, violaciones, linchamientos, humillaciones contra gente inocente.
Todo por dios y la democracia.

From: Guest Date: 13-May-2004 14:07
Well it is easy to judge the world from your limited view of a comfortable cul-de-sac. The world would be easier if everyones would go by the same rule. To all those guests who criticized the Americans and some of it's allies roles in Irag. It is easy to do the popular thing but it takes courage to do the right thing, even if it is unpopular. The french and the germans just protect their business interests they had with Sadam and his bullies. Next time if someone marching in Paris and step on the french noses, I say let them stay a colony of a german or whomever. For those abused Iraqi prisoners, I am appalled for that episode. Nevertheless, I wonder how many women in Iraq suffered worst under the former regime, especially of his womenizer son. Somehow I felt what those prisoner got was far more than they deserve but then again 2 wrongs does not make it right. Like they arrogantly said in paris, leave your american dollars at the door steps and go home yankies because you are not welcome here! The world just wants our money, visa to stay in our country and our guns when they were stepped and oppressed upon but hates us for needing us so, that's the mentality of the low self esteme and insecure people.

From: Guest Date: 13-May-2004 03:38
yuikes! anyone else for president is right. that village in texas is badly missing its idiot.

From: Guest Date: 12-May-2004 22:26

"If the world hates your Fuhrer, you must be doing something right!"

I'm sure Goebells wished he'd came up with that one...




From: Edward Banmiller Date: 12-May-2004 20:50
If the world hates your president, you must be doing something right!

From: Guest Date: 12-May-2004 19:43

Beautiful... all the propogandic beauty and orchestration of a Nuremberg rally.

All that's missing is the flame torches!

From: Dave Werner Date: 12-May-2004 16:57
Very nice work!

From: Larry Ahern Date: 12-May-2004 16:52
Excelent job of documenting an important event Rick!

From: clueless Date: 12-May-2004 15:47

Firstly, dloftus I agree with you this isn't the place for extended political discussions.

I must say overall some of the documentary photography skills are of a high level here, it's just the subject that irks. Composition is very good in most cases and excellent in some. I would suggest a bit more portfolio filterting (although I guess this isn't intended as a professional presentation). Just a matter of taste. Altogether I would say there is some very impressive work here :)

On your other comments...I have equal disdain for what you call the "liberal" media and the "conservative" media. I don't form my opinions on the basis of either's distortions. Rather, I seek out factual evidence, which in this case overwhelmingly suggests a colonial enterprise with the aim of controlling the world's second biggest oil reserves.

p.s. Let's just say this is my area of academic interest, so accusing me of ignorance on this subject can only make me laugh.

From: dloftus Date: 12-May-2004 15:32
Clueless, first thing - we donÕt elect our President based on the opinions of the rest of the world, and I donÕt expect them to elect their leaders based on what we think either. As for Iraq, please get a better view of the situation than what is presented by the liberal mass media. The United States is doing a lot of very good things in Iraq and most of the people like the changes they see in their country. Yes, they donÕt want us there too long, and we donÕt want to be there very long either, but we need to stay long enough for a proper transition.

As for Rick, the person who posted these pictures. He has every right to do so and has every right to delete all these messages ... including your and mine ... and it has nothing to do with his maturity. He just may not want this photo site becoming a political battle field.

From: clueless Date: 12-May-2004 14:21

Please don't delete this comment!

I don't think most Americans actually realise the level of repugnance these pictures bring out at across the world, not only for Arabs but also Europeans, Japanese, Africans and really most people across the world that detest the injustices being perpetrated in Iraq.

That is why you keep getting critical comments.

Show your maturity and leave this one. What are you araid of?

From: Piotr Lutynski Date: 12-May-2004 13:33
This Pictures are great!

Lutek

From: Phyllis Stewart Date: 12-May-2004 07:52
I think you should delete those nutty remarks from "guest." Pbase is not a place for politics. These are good photos...lots of interesting faces and expressions. Nice clear shots...good work!

click on thumbnails for full