FMA is dead!!! 48-50

[Renew Deal]

C-span "The Senate has voted 48-50 against continuing debate." 60 votes needed.

[redqueen]

1. lol

Stupid republicans!

[Reverend_Smitty]

11. Especially Santorum

what a pathetic excuse of a human...begging on the floor of the senate. Has he no dignity? I hope this exposes those republicans as the boobs that they are

[redqueen]

19. It certainly does

What an unbelievably idiotic ploy.

Thanks, Frothy!

[Mandate My Ass]

44. He begged??!!

What did he say? No he has no dignity...no integrity either.

Glad this died. It needed to.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

2. I am assuming we have moderate Repubs to thank

no doubt Zell voted FOR

[central scrutinizer]

37. Cloture votes can be ambiguous

You might vote for cloture even if you opposed the bill if you figured it would be defeated or if you wanted somebody to actually take a stand.
You might vote for cloture if you favored the bill and wanted to force a vote either to pass it or to get somebody else on the record.
You might vote against cloture, if you were opposed to the bill but were afraid it might pass.
You might vote against cloture if you favored the bill, but needed more time to round up the votes you needed to pass it.

[terrya]

3. Where could I find a tally of the votes? Just for curiousity sake.

Thanks.
Terry

[SOteric]

27. Here, (link provided) but it's not up yet.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_menu_108_2.htm

The site will provide the entire roll call yeas and nays as soon as the information is avialable (takes a little time). It's S.J. Res. 40 that you're looking for.

[terrya]

29. Thank you. Much appreciated. eom

[apnu]

55. List is up

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=2&vote=00155

[ronnykmarshall]

4. Who voted?

Do we have a break down of the votes?

[NewJerseyDem]

12. This is it, I think

Democrats voting yes: Miller (GA), Nelson (NE), Byrd (WV)
Republicans voting no: Campbell (CO), McCain (AZ), Collins (ME), Chafee (RI), Sununu (NH), Snowe (ME)

This was a cloture vote so some will be able to say it was a procedural vote and claim they support both sides.

Kerry and Edwards were absent.

[terrya]

20. Sad that Byrd voted for this...given his passion for the Constitution.

But not unexpected.

[redqueen]

23. This was just for cloture

His vote is for wanting to have everyone just shut up and take a stand already.

[NewJerseyDem]

31. No, that isn't it

This was a motion to proceed. This would have opened up the bill to amendments and would have made there be weeks of amendments and debate instead of voting on the real issues in the country. It is just that Byry is against gay rights most of the time.

[redqueen]

38. Ah you're right

so Byrd was against wanting to expose himself to those who have shown him favor for his stand against the war. lol... politics.

[Blue-Jay]

24. Byrd?!?

Goddamn it.

Looks like he hasn't shed himself of ALL of his past bigotry. Oh well. I knew it wasn't gonna pass anyway. It was always meant to be a tool of the right to pander to the hateful douchebags in the voter rolls. Nothing else.

[soleft]

39. Didn't you ever read his speech about DOMA

very sad

[Blue-Jay]

50. Yeah. I read it.

Call me an optimist, but I had hopes that he wanted to shitcan this proposed amendment. Meh. You can't have everything I guess....

On another note, I wonder what it would take for Snowe and Chaffee to "pull a Jeffords". That would be sweeeeeet.

[mstrsplinter326]

5. who voted for it/against it??

Link or list would be grand

[apnu]

56. here you go

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=2&vote=00155

[Canuckistanian]

6. The people have spoken.

Closer than it should have been, though.

[redqueen]

9. Well that's why they pulled this stunt in an election year

to try to scare congress into voting with the wind.

Unfortunately for stupid republicans, swing voters skew away from support for a ban, not for.

[skypilot]

14. I was just going to say that.

I'm glad, of course, that it was defeated but 48-50 is still too close for comfort.

[beyurslf]

48. That isn't really all that close.

If you figure we had 2 more no votes if we needed them (Kerry and Edwards would have come if we needed). And they need 2/3rds to pass the Amendment.

I agree it is more bigots in the Senate than we want, but they can't call that any kind of victory. They wanted to get half at least and failed.

[AFSCME girl]

17. That's true...

[GiovanniC]

7. Is This The Vote

To determine whether or not they could vote on it?

[redqueen]

15. lol

Cloture?

[gauguin57]

18. C-span 2 says

"The Senate has voted 48-50 against continuing debate. 60 votes were needed."

[displacedtexan]

8. C-Span 2 says 48-50.

60 votes were needed.

Edited: this was just the vote against continuing the debate.

Now repukes have to decide whether or not to bring it to the floor for an up or down vote, which is what the dems want.

[Walt Starr]

13. 60 were required for cloture

that was a cloture vote, if I'm not mistaken.

67 votes were required for the measure to pass since it is an amendment to the constitution.

[Renew Deal]

16. The senate woman said 47 at first.

Then she asked if anyone didn't vote. I think someone was hedging their bets.

[redqueen]

21. I would think the Dems would want cloture as well

but it appears they chickened out of having to vote against the ban.

For shame!

[NewJerseyDem]

33. There are two types of cloture, if I undestand correctly

The first is when there is a motion to proceed which, if passed, allows the Senate to bring the issue to the floor and begin debating amendments and eventually final passage.

The second is to cut off debate and move to a final vote on the issue.

This one was the first one.

[redqueen]

41. Yeah I figured that after I read your post above

Wish it was the second... I'd have loved to see the Repubs vote against voting on their pet issue.

:evilgrin:

oops, on edit: thanks for the lesson! :hi:

[NewJerseyDem]

46. I wish there had been a final vote

It would have been nice to actually see how they would vote. There were a lot of republicans who said they might vote no, but now can get out of it by saying they supported cloture vote. Apparently, some republicans were saying that this was a party loyalty vote and that all republicans should vote yes, even if they oppose the amendment. So, that may be why some republicans like Chuck Hagel voted yes.

[AFSCME girl]

10. Rock on!!

:hippie:

[hatrack]

22. They couldn't even get 50% - HAH!!

Fools!!

[THUNDER HANDS]

25. Robert Byrd voted to continue debate?

The guy who carries around a little copy of the constitution in his pocket?

What, did he have a post-it note on the back to write in a ban of same-sex marriages?

[Forkboy]

28. He was probably enjoying seeing the pukes squirm

:)

[jonnyblitz]

43. he's as big a homophobe as the Republicans

I remember listening to him while he was clutching the bible on the senate floor railing against gays during the Senate Defense of Marriage Act debate in the 90's. Thats why i cringe whenever i see DUers praising that bigotted asshole just because he gives a good anti war speech.

[xyboymil]

26. Wow..they fell WAY short

Not even a majority wanted this. Didnt they need like 60 or more votes?? :evilgrin:

[Renew Deal]

32. Yep

:)

[Beware the Beast Man]

30. Excellent news

I can't believe they even wasted their time with this. It was dead on arrival.

[gauguin57]

34. I hope this chips away at Ricky's power.

Santorum can go home and play with his doggies now.

[Beware the Beast Man]

42. May I paraphrase Natalie Maines?

I just wanted you to know that I am ashamed that Rick Santorum is from Pennsylvania. :puke:

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

61. Or his turtles?

Frothily?

[lcooksey]

35. So, now what?

They voted against continuing debate. So does that mean they either have to table it, or have a vote on the amendment as written (no modifications allowed)?

I'm watching C-SPAN 2 online, and they're all milling around aimlessly. I suspect they're taking a break for lunch.

[NewJerseyDem]

40. I think so

They do usually leave around now on Wednesdays for their weekly party conferences. I think that the amendment will just go away for a while and they now move to consideration of the Australia free trade bill.

However, if the the Republicans agree to a vote on final passage on this text, then Democrats would let there be a final vote.

[4_Legs_Good]

36. Woooo hOOOOOOOOO!!!

Does that kill it for the year? Prolly so.

The Press better cover this as

"A crushing defeat for the Bush Administration."

david

[4_Legs_Good]

45. Kerry and Edwards were BOTH there for the vote?

I'm glad to hear it, but it seems odd inasmuch as there's campaigning going on.

Good work boys!

david

[NewJerseyDem]

49. No, I think they were absent

98 senators voted and I'm pretty confident those were the two names that weren't called.

[4_Legs_Good]

52. Doh! I forgot how to add!

Somehow seeing 48 and 50 made me think it was 100. Damn, I'm stupid.

Skimming this CNN article leads me to believe they were indeed absent:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/14/samesex.marriage/index.html

Oh well, I'm sure they would have been there for a real vote. It's wonderful to see this fail.

david

[Deja Q]

59. I heard on the national news that THEY WOULD BE THERE to vote against it

If that's the case and they ditched to go touch each other in front of some more cameras... I'll still vote Kerry only because * is a bigger danger to the little remaining stability of this country, but what the hell gives?

[CBHagman]

47. This is priceless!

They not only have egg on their faces, they've got the whole chicken farm! Way to vote, Senators!

[newscaster]

51. Here is the list of bill sponsors.

Sen Brownback, Sam - 7/7/2004 Sen Cochran, Thad - 7/7/2004
Sen Craig, Larry E. - 7/8/2004 Sen Crapo, Michael D. - 7/8/2004
Sen Dole, Elizabeth H. - 7/13/2004 Sen Enzi, Michael B. - 7/7/2004
Sen Fitzgerald, Peter - 7/7/2004 Sen Frist, Bill - 7/7/2004
Sen Hatch, Orrin G. - 7/7/2004 Sen Hutchison, Kay Bailey - 7/7/2004
Sen Inhofe, Jim - 7/7/2004 Sen Kyl, Jon - 7/7/2004
Sen Lott, Trent - 7/7/2004 Sen McConnell, Mitch - 7/7/2004
Sen Miller, Zell - 7/7/2004 Sen Santorum, Rick - 7/7/2004
Sen Sessions, Jeff - 7/7/2004 Sen Shelby, Richard C. - 7/7/2004
Sen Talent, Jim - 7/7/2004

[redqueen]

53. OMG! Hutchison?

She's gonna catch hell! A lot of her supporters are moderate suburbanite TXans.

[Selwynn]

58. Fuck Idaho. That's all I have to say. :(

I hate my representatives.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

62. KAY BAILEY HUTCHINSON

CAN EAT MY SHORTS!!!!

I am a Texan and I HATE her with all the fiery passion of hell. Which is where I wish she'd go.

Damn bitch.

[GreenPartyVoter]

54. Got a roll call on that?

[apnu]

57. here you go

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=2&vote=00155

[Deja Q]

60. Only for this year... they'll waste more time and money until they do

get it passed.

You'd think work worth doing would be dealt with instead of this nonsense...