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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 04:38 PM
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Surprises in the FMA vote....
Democrats FOR:

Byrd (WV)
Miller (GA)(ok, no surprise)
Nelson (NE)


Republicans AGAINST:

Campbell (CO)
Chaffee (RI)
Collins (ME)
McCain (AZ)
Snowe (ME)
Sununu (NH)

The big surprises for me are Byrd for and Sununu against. And I thought Hagel was opposed...
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Political_Junkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 04:40 PM
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1. Being from Maine,
no surprises from Snowe and Collins here. They get our votes because they vote our way!
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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 04:41 PM
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2. Byrd doesn't surprise me at all, he has an awful record on gay issues nt
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 04:41 PM
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3. Sununu was a shocker.
Does he have a gay family member or something?
I think Chaffee is really a Dem.
He should switch parties.
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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 04:43 PM
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6. if Dems win back the Senate, I think Chaffee will switch... n/t
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 04:46 PM
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11. One of those NE Republicans should switch to D and not to I just to make
the point that this in no longer your father's Republican party.
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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 04:57 PM
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13. I agree...
I would be happy if he switched to Independent, but would be happier if he switched to the Democratic Party.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 05:01 PM
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16. I think they are trying to make the point that they
stand for the real Republican Party. Sadly, there are only a handful of them left.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 04:59 PM
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15. Chaffee should switch.....
He is a good, decent guy and the Republicans don't deserve him. He usually votes with Democrats anyway.
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Shrek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 04:42 PM
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4. It was just a cloture vote, right?
Maybe the Democrats who voted for it did so because they thought that actually voting against the Amendment itself (rather than just cloture) would make a stronger statement.

:shrug:
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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 04:59 PM
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14. highly unlikely considering it was Zell, Nelson and Byrd...
Zell and Nelson usually vote with the GOP, and Byrd usually votes against anything that may favor gays or lesbians.
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 04:42 PM
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5. Another post on this said Sununu voted FOR.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 04:43 PM
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7. Here is the old head count thread.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 04:43 PM
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8. Why is Byrd a surprise?
I thought he's made an number of homophobic slurs in the past.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 04:45 PM
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10. because he's also
a great constitutional scholar. I think one can be opposed to gay marriage and still believe an amendment to the constitution is unnecessary and unwise.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 05:19 PM
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17. I don't know,but maybe he was just wanting the vote to go forward?
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mstrsplinter326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 04:44 PM
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9. Chaffee - no suprise, real conservatives don't want big government
Edited on Wed Jul-14-04 04:45 PM by mstrsplinter326
was one of the most outspoken advocates against the bill.

There's difference between being republican (true conservative) and a neocon in BushCo. Real conservatives believe in balanced budgets, small government and preservation of national parks. BushCo does not.
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bleowheels Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 04:52 PM
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12. I'm kind of suprised that Daschle voted against since he's...
running for reelection here in mostly conservative South Dakota and his opponent, the insufferable John Thune, has spent alot of money advertising his opposition to "gay marriage"
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 05:24 PM
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18. Byrd surprises me a little
because he is always waving around a copy of the constitution. Then again, it is only a procedural vote. Who knows.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 06:40 PM
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19. the whole thing was DOA anyway wasn't it?
this is just to save Santorum and his slime from embarrassment. Like they could be saved.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 02:28 PM
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20. Yeah...pretty embarrasing defeat for Bush.
That's why it is confusing about Byrd. He may have had soemthing goofy procedural in mind.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 02:43 PM
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23. I hope they are heading for another "Pat Buchanan"
moment at the convention. :)
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 02:29 PM
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21. No wonder I didn't hear Robert Byrd
give one of his great speeches. This really saddens me. :cry:
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 02:34 PM
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22. I take Byrd's vote as a dare
ok, here's your cloture vote, no bring to the floor for a full vote and see if the two thirds are thier and then chastize them for wasting all this time when they KNEW they never had the 67 votes, just wanted to stick them with a vote to use against Senators in the Fall
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Amarant Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 02:45 PM
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24. Byrd spoke well about Iraq
Edited on Thu Jul-15-04 02:50 PM by Amarant
and as such a lot of people conclude he is good on other issues.

Unfortunately he is NOT very progressive on social issues...

He also doesn't like atheists if I remember correctly.
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