In Thursday 's NYT a story that Cheney to be dropped.

[Hoping4Change]

The latest theory about Cheney's future holds that Cheney recently dropped his personal doctor because of drug addiction so that he could hire a new one, who will conveniently tell him in August that his heart problems have made him unfit to run with Bush!


QUESTION:


Do you think that his wife's recent support of gay marriage
is part of a plan to make Cheny seem less desirable to the Repuke
base?


http://www.drudgereport.com/flash4.htm

[rucky]

1. If true, I gotta say I'm a bit disappointed with the GOP strategists

I almost respected them because they were so damn effective, but now that we're seeing a meltdown of these proportions it's obvious that they are just plain stupid, and are only good at getting stupid people to vote for them. Karl Rove & Co. get waaaaaayyyy too much credit.

There's nothing more dangerous than a stupid person who thinks they're smart.

[Hoping4Change]

4. Gee I think you just dissed the entire Repug party!

[stevedeshazer]

7. They lose.

Either way.

I think "Invisible Dick" is going down with the ship.

[Name removed]

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[Jade Fox]

18. Thanks for sharing. You can go home now.

[alfredo]

20. Home to him is a half way house

Can you say tombstone?

[RummyTheDummy]

23. Probably on a work release for Cub Scout molestation

They're ALL in to that, or so I hear.

[alfredo]

43. Everyone needs a hobby.

[Bunny]

Oh, thanks for that chuckle!

Things have been a little tense here lately, thanks for keeping it light! Run along home now - the streetlights have come on and Mommy's going to be calling for you any minute!

[Hoping4Change]

21. Bush is the gutless turd sitting out the war in the Guard which

poppy Bush arranged. Bush has succeeded in showing the world the US unable to suceed in Iraq because of dimwits in the WhiteHouse ignoring military planners like Shinseki who said a minimum 250,000 troops would be needed to secure the peace.

Your blindness to the rightwing economic agenda to destroy all social security nets is mind bloggling. You're anger is directed at the wrong person. Bush and his cohorts are taking the US down the tubes.

[wicket]

22. Go Cheney Yourself!

:freak:

[Warren DeMontague]

24. If you can cut and paste and repeat yourself, genius, so can I.

(apologies to everyone else)

...Yeah, because only a "gutless turd" like John F. Kerry would drive a boat into machine-gun fire to save a buddy's life. And only a macho he-man cowboy like George Bush would wrap his arms around poppy's ankle and wail and plead for a cushy Air National Guard slot so that he wouldn't have to go to 'Nam and fight and die with the minorities and poor people who were out there slugging it in the war that he, nevertheless, couldn't be bothered to take time off of his blow-snorting and booze guzzling to actually oppose.

Yes, we don't know what we believe, unlike you morally certain GOP cretins- you know that the earth is flat and god created it in 6 days some 2,000 years ago, and that Jesus is coming back to stick a big shiny boot up the ass of the libruls and homersexshuls and sekyoolar humnists.. and you know that the best way to deal with your sense of sexual inefficacy, repression, frustration, and total inability to get a date with a woman who is not inflatable, is to criminalize reproductive choices--- so that those women who are out there having sex with real men, who have real brains, will be forced to go to dirty back alleys when they have an unplanned pregnancy.

[Hoping4Change]

28. Well said impeachdubya. Your post should be an ad and be

plastered on very freeper web-site.:yourock:

[lachattefolle]

40. OMG that's too funny!

[stevedeshazer]

26. Brilliant post!

Response self-deleted, but it was fun to say anyway.

[H2O Man]

2. The July 19 edition of TIME

has an article "The President's Real Enemy" (pg 25) by Joe Klein that has some interesting information regarding "K Street" being "in a panic." Prominent republicans, including attorneys and lobbyists, know that cheney and rumsfeld are balls & chains that need to be removed before the election. The "war president" is confident, however, that he can make changes after the election. What an idiot: the voting public is going to make the big changes on election day.

[punpirate]

3. In answer to your question...

... no, I don't, because she's not supporting it outright. As I recall, the word from her is that it's a states' rights matter. That could be construed as tacit support, I agree.

Ultimately, though, Cheney probably has a bigger power base than Bush does. And, he's the far right-wing's guide for Bush--that role can't be ignored. If Cheney doesn't want to give up as VP, he won't be pushed out.

However, if he does want to back out (possibly to avoid being blamed for losing the election, which seems more and more certain), the Bushies would be hard-pressed to find a big enough bastard to fill his shoes, but smart enough to guide Bush along the proper right-wing path....

[Hoping4Change]

5. What about Guiliani?

[VolcanoJen]

8. Giuliani has a little "Family Values" problem.

He's also a pro-choice Republican... I don't think the base is going to get too excited about Rudy on the ticket.

I'm thinking Frist or Ridge, personally.

[Kool Kitty]

33. I believe that Ridge is pro-choice, too.

And Frist is a cat-killer. May he rot.

[redstateblues]

45. My Senator, Bill Frist has been a failure as Majority Leader

When Karl Rove says jump, he can't jump high enough and falls down. Remember the day after Richard Clarke's book- he came out saying he had perjured himself. He is viewed as inept- a good surgeon perhaps- but a ham handed politician.

[punpirate]

13. Giuliani is certainly smart, and...

... a big enough bastard, but I'm not sure he's developed the kind of contacts with big business that would make him as valuable as Cheney. Nor do I think he's far right enough for the real money in the Republican Party. And, some of the hijinks with wife and girlfriend toward the end of his time as mayor could be used against him by those forces wanting Cheney to remain on the ticket.

As well, adding someone such as Giuliani would open up Bush for charges that his main source of foreign policy experience is no longer there, thus destroying half the Bushies' arguments against Edwards.

Yeah, he's a possibility, but he's not the kind of guy that Bush would listen to, in my view. And, as everyone knows, Bush doesn't dream up all this shit by himself.

Cheers.

[Bucky]

55. Pataki's pro choice, but has better relations w/ the Right

I'd keep an eye on Pataki. But Ridge is probably a better choice. No doubt either would flip on the abortion issue to take over Cheney's spot running the country.

Smart money remains on Cheney, however.

[lanparty]

49. OK well ...

Have you heard Lynn's Lesbian romance novel entitled "sisters". You got it straight, the second lady has written gay porn.

Guess what, straight people don't write gay porn (as illustrated clearly by South Park's Mr Garrison). Maybe dick turned her gay with his evil disgustingness. And of course, their daughter is Lesbian working for .... the COORS COMPANY!!!!!

In future years, the words Republican, Hypocrite and Conservative will be interchangeable.

[VolcanoJen]

6. Drudge is late. DUers caught onto the "Doctor Switch" when it first broke

When the "Druggie Doctor Switch" story first broke, many DUers immediately connected the dots, claiming that in weeks to come, Cheney's new doctors would pronounce him physically unfit for office, letting Bush off the hook and free to choose a new running mate...

[Hoping4Change]

9. If Drudge is right that NYT reporter Elisabeth Bumiller

is set to kick the gossip into high gear with a 1,600-word speculative, will this effect any decision about Cheney. Won't the cat be out of the bag?

[VolcanoJen]

10. Sounds like Bumiller has been trolling the blogs-n-boards....

... for her "story."

Just another example of lazy journalism, if you ask me.

[sendero]

11. Oh come on....

... getting any of his doctors to say anything they needed said would be trivial. They don't need the word of a doctor at all, Cheney could simply say "I haven't been feeling well, I think it best I slow down".

Why does everyone have to make up intricate scenarios that are completely unnecessary?

[Taylor Mason Powell]

12. Oh, it's more fun that way!!

But you're absolutely right - they wouldn't need a single word from a single doctor.

[Hoping4Change]

16. I don't think its off base to raise these suspicions.

If Cheney just up and says he doesn't feel good that raises questions as to whether Bush pushed him out. Whereas if a doctor comes on board and finds startling new evidence Bush is then off the hook, Rove could spin the the decision as an act of God.

[peacetalksforall]

17. The problem is that he will speed up. There will be no stopping him.

If anyone thinks being out of office is serious - forget about it. We are in a world where the agenda to bring down the people of the U.S. and the world is a coordinated war against us - it doesn't make any difference where Cheney sits - he is integral to the agenda. This is an orchestrated move with names of people that we've never even heard of - you are only viewing the pinnacle of the iceberg when you mention Cheney and Rumsfeld.

[Hoping4Change]

25. That is a very unpleasant but nevertheless acute observation.

[finecraft]

37. You are Right - this is a philosophical war

Neocons consider themselves "The Chosen Ones". Cheney may leave, but he won't disappear. He'll only leave the ticket because the Neocons NEED the republicans to stay in power so they can continue to use and exploit them in order to achieve their philosophical mission of perpetual global war to spread their twisted version of democracy. It doesn't matter to them what vehicle they use (Remember they started out as Democrats) they just find it easier to manipulate the republicans in telling their "Noble Lies" for now.

[merh]

30. It will be more dramatic than that - he will collapse and be

hospitalized in critical condition, life support, that sort of thing. That way, when all the legal crap hits the fan, it won't touch him and he will get the ticket the sympathy vote. (remember that Ashwipe lost his bid for senate in their wee little minds because of the sympathy vote.) But in all actuality, he will be running the gov as he did before, from his secluded bunker with the other members of his shallow, shadow admin.

On edit: Rummey is there now, hiding out in the hopes that if he keeps a low profile, we all will forget those silly frat pranks at the Iraq prisons.

[ClassWarrior]

44. Yes, remember Occam's Razor.

And a healthy dollop of Burma Shave.

[faithnotgreed]

15. i definitely agree. condoleeza or bernard kerkik or ?

they need name recognition and someone who either appear tough and or fully able to tow the * line

[Zorra]

19. Nooooooooooooooooo! We need him to be on the ticket!

[Mz Pip]

27. Wow

That's exactly what I thought would happen after I heard about the Dr. mess. It would be a convenient way to remove him from the ticket without appearing "political."

We shall see...

MzPip
:dem:

[Disturbed]

29. The Schwing Voters

Would it really make a difference to them if Cheney was off and Frist or Hassert were subbed? Guliani or McCain seem highly unlikely.

[amandabeech]

31. I saw a rumor posted on an obscure site that

if Cheney steps down, the Veep will be Frist,the cat torturer.

My guess is that Cheney will only step down if Shrub is behind in the polls and the GOP internal polling says that a change in the Veep will do the trick.

[BillZBubb]

35. That's been my position all along as well.

They have there real polls, not the corporate lies we see. If those show Shrub and FUD ("FU" Dick!) are too far behind in too many states just before the Repug convention, FUD will have a serious health problem pop up. They'll try to plug in a replacement to stop the bleeding.

I hear Dan Quayle is tanned, rested, and ready!

[TacticalPeek]

54. Funny you mention Dan Quayle.

Tonight on MSNBC Countdown w Keith Olbermann, he and Howard Fineman were talking deCheneying, Keith saying how aWol's big thing about "loyalty" (aka omerta) should keep the R ticket together. Fineman pointed out that in '92, when things weren't looking so chipper for Poppy's reelection, many in his campaign suggested dumping Danny Boy. One of them was Shrub himself, who wanted "something to shake things up". Bwaahahahahaha!

Fineman said (and the 'realist' consensus seems to be) that dumping Cheney would be the doom of Shrub: tacit admission of failures, and pissing off the base, big-time, so it won't happen.

So, absent indictment, "unindictment" as co-conspirator, or genuine health issues, Pork Chop Boy will only give up Al's house if voters pry it from his cold, umm, hands.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

36. Yeah but they were Calico Cats

on which he performed his dark medical experiments and sacrificial rituals

[Nederland]

32. The beauty of this

is that the more the press talks about how smart it would be for Bush to dump Cheney, the less likely it is that he will actually do it. Bush hates the press with a passion and will stubbornly cling to the idea that Cheney is a positive on the ticket. In the end, his arrogance and inability to admit his own mistakes will kill him...

[hedda_foil]

39. Not just that, it's the Dems who are spreading the rumor!

Between the Dems and the press, there's no way on earth * will drop Sneer from the ticket

[West Coast Democrat]

34. AP Story today: Cheney Says He's Staying on GOP Ticket

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=536&nci...

Cheney Says He's Staying on GOP Ticket

WASHINGTON - Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) said Wednesday he cannot envision any circumstance in which he would not run for a second term, saying President Bush (news - web sites) has been "very clear he doesn't want to break up the team."


There has been persistent speculation that Cheney would step down for political or health reasons.

"He's made his decision," Cheney said of Bush. "I've made mine. I suppose right now, because we're in the run up to the convention, people don't have much to talk about so you get speculation on that. It's normal. When we get to the convention, I think that'll put an end to it."

The vice president made his comments in a C-SPAN interview that will be broadcast Sunday.

[Mike Niendorff]

38. A scenario that's been buzzing around my brain lately ...

1) Cheney drops off ticket, citing "health reasons".

2) McCain steps in to replace Cheney

3) Bush rises in the polls, helped by McCain's "more moderate" image

4) Shortly before the election, Tom Ridge's "election-related" attack occurs. The victim is McCain.

5) Cheney now rejoins the ticket.

6) Bush and Cheney ride the wake of the "tragedy" back into public office, now with one less ascendent rival within their own party to deal with.

(yeah, I know ... just thinking out loud, with my tinfoil hat probably on a bit too tight ... )


MDN

[T Bone]

41. Your scenario with Zell Miller instead of McCain

is a possibility too...

[Mike Niendorff]

46. nope, won't happen.

Zell is too much of an asset to the Bush regime. A outspoken turncoat within the opposition party. No, they want Zell around for a *long* time.


MDN

[Mike Niendorff]

47. nope, won't happen.

Zell is too much of an asset to the Bush regime. A outspoken turncoat within the opposition party. No, they want Zell around for a *long* time.


MDN

[lanparty]

50. McCain HATES BUSH!!!!!

The two are bitter political rivals. McCain is giving support to Bush publicly because he knows Bush will be OUT of the picture in 4 years one way or another.

McCain will be the Republican frontrunner in 2008 irregardless of whether Shrub holds on to power. My gut is that McCain is secretly rooting for (and helping) Kerry. But McCain has to support his party's candidate publicly if he wants the 2008 nomination.

[Hoping4Change]

51. I think you're on to something. This would certainly explain

McCain's behaviour.

[lanparty]

52. Another reason for McCain to secretly help Kerry ...

Beyond Bush driving this country into the dirt and destroying his beloved CONSERVATIVE party, McCain has a powerfully selfish reason to secretly hurt Bush.

If Bush is re-elected in 2004, he will use his influence over the party to Bush brother Jeb to the front of the pack in 2008. He'll basically get all his political contributors to load Jeb down with money. He'll also enlist the support of the Moonie-Scaife-Fox media landscape to push Jeb to the front of the queue.

Out of office, Dubaya will have far less political influence to direct political contributions. Kerry in 2004 means an easier shot at McCain in 2008.

[Mike Niendorff]

53. yes, he hates Bush.

And he is also an ambitious politician, with probable designs on the 2008 nomination.


MDN

[Davis_X_Machina]

42. I like the Zell Miller theory...

...the lazy presswhores will have a field day; the smarmy stories about "bipartisanism" and "reaching out in a divisive time" and "bold" (God, they love to toss that word around) write themselves.

And as for Cheney, he doesn't need to be VP to effectively be president -- the emperor Augustus held no elective office during the bulk of his reign. Just periodic renewals of the power he would have held if he were to hold the office.

[Oddman]

48. I've been saying this for the last 6 months

Cheney will be dropped from the ticket due to health problems. No surprise here - about the same time he drops out bin Laden will be captured and they will "miraculously" find a WMD in Iraq.

[TroubleMan]

56. MIKE DITKA!!!!! - He's the new choice

So that's why he turned down running against Obama.

He's gonna help Bush "get back in the game."