How about a response to another RNC email

[pleft]

This one is really making the rounds....

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I'm trying to get all this political stuff straightened out in my head so
I'll know who to vote come November. Right now, I got one guy over here
sayin' one thing. Then I got another guy over there says something' else.
Man, I don't know who to believe...

* Lemme see if I got this straight?

Clinton awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Yugoslavia - good... Bush
awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Iraq - bad...

Clinton spends 77 billion on war in Serbia - good... Bush spends 87 billion
in Iraq - bad...

Clinton imposes regime change in Serbia - good... Bush imposes regime change
in Iraq - bad...

Clinton bombs Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslim Albanian terrorists -
good... Bush liberates 25 million from a genocidal dictator - bad...

Clinton bombs Chinese embassy - good.... Bush bombs terrorist camps -
bad....

Clinton commits felonies while in office - good... Bush lands on aircraft
carrier in jumpsuit - bad...

Clinton says mass graves in Serbia - good... Entire world says WMD in Iraq -
bad...

Stock market crashes in 2000 under Clinton - good... Recession under Bush -
bad...

Clinton refuses to take custody of Bin Laden - good... World Trade Centers
fall under Bush - Bad...

Clinton says Saddam has nucs - good... Bush says Saddam has nucs - bad...

Clinton calls for regime change in Iraq - good... Bush imposes regime change
in Iraq - bad...

Terrorist training in Afghanistan under Clinton - good... Bush destroys
training camps in Afghanistan - bad...

No mass graves found in Serbia - good... No WMD found Iraq - bad...

Milosevic not yet convicted - good... Saddam in custody - bad...


Ah, it's so confusing! Maybe...

[bowens43]

1. No.

It doesn't warrant response

Why is it always someone with fewer than 20 posts who post these things? Hmmm?

[murielm99]

5. Wouldn't it be nice if life were so simple

and Clinton really was the anti-Christ?

None of us would ever have to sift through the issues and THINK.

Never mind. I alerted.

[pleft]

10. Bowen

no freeper here.

This was sent to me by my mother, who receives these emails from her right-wing friends all the time. She wants to start a website dedicated to debunking conservative emails, but in the meantime she asks for my help. I have noticed this one sprouting up in many places on the web, and I thought that we might want to compile talkingpoints in response.

[bowens43]

19. If you're not what I suspected then I apologize

it's just that we get so many of these things. Several times a week someone who has just signed up posts one of these and then goes on to reveal himself a little later.

peace

[northzax]

2. so let me get this straight

If I agree that Bush is doing a good job, you'll agree that Clinton did a great job as well?

I'll address a line or two anyway, just for fun:

Milosevic not yet convicted - good... Saddam in custody - bad...

hey, what was Hussein convicted of again? oh, that's right, he hasn't been convicted EITHER. this is a wash, right?

No mass graves found in Serbia - good are you saying that you think it would be better if we did find mass graves? that's sick.

Clinton commits felonies while in office - good... Bush lands on aircraft
carrier in jumpsuit - bad... uh, what felonies has Bill Clinton ever been charged with, let alone convicted of? er, none.

[Walt Starr]

3. Simply respond thusly

"What you have done is created a pile of strawmen to knock down. Come back when you have a real argument to debate."

[RobertSeattle]

4. Or to counter

Clinton lies about consensual sex with an Adult - bad - Bush lies and exaggerates Iraq threat connection to 9/11 - good

Clinton balances the budget and leaves office with a surplus - receives no credit - Bush busts the budget and creates huge deficit - gets no blame.

Etc. Whatever.

[pleft]

11. Excellent

I like this approach...a counter set of good/bad.

[Individualist]

6. The person who sent you this email

is willfully ignorant. Don't waste time responding; people like that have an aversion to facts.

[calimary]

21. WRONG. DO NOT let them get the last word.

I'd say if you want this crap to stop, then stop it.

Here's how you do that (at least it's worked for me):

You send a rebuttal. Whatever rebuttal it is. Either point by point, or overall. Posting here on DU to get ideas or suggested responses is a GREAT approach. People come up with GOOD, and USABLE answers here, based on lots of research and reading, lots of time having been spent arguing these things out with their friends and purportedly well-intentioned Kool-aid drinkers. An especially helpful resource for a newbie - LET US HELP YOU.

You send that rebuttal to the person who sent the original offending email to you.

THEN, you send that same rebuttal to EVERY PERSON ON THE LIST OF RECIPIENTS that included the person who sent the original offending email to you. Your rebuttal should go to whoever sent it to THAT person, and everybody else in that round of emailings.

After that, you may want to retrace it an additional step back, and further send your rebuttal to the people on the list of the person who sent the email to the person who sent it to you, etc.

The point is: THEY ALL SEE the response to the foolish, misbegotten, ill-informed, and SLANTED attack they all originally saw.

You will accomplish the following:

a) You will set the record straight.

b) You will make sure the GOOD GUYS GET THE LAST WORD. Our opponents are COUNTING ON our staying mute. They want us to remain "The Silenced Majority," that won't speak up, that won't object, that won't question their motives or their berzerko information or their agenda, and that will just let any idiotic crap stand, as is, unchallenged. If it's unchallenged and unrefuted, IT IS THEN ASSUMED THAT IT IS TRUE - merely because there is no challenge or rebuttal to it.

c) You may actually give somebody their first taste at an opposing view (in this case, once again, THE TRUTH) that they are obviously not getting now. Consider the example of all the people whose eyes were opened by many things they NEVER saw before, which were laid out for all the world to see in "Fahrenheit 9/11." All those other recipients are probably on some wrong-winger's list, and get this stuff repeatedly, and since they move in that alternate universe, they can't be expected to be exposed to anything outside that narrow agenda. It's the same situation with all those people who think if they just watch the Pox "News" network, or listen to limbaugh, they'll get the truth - not even realizing there are other points of view available out there (albeit harder to find for those who don't bother to or don't know to try looking).

d) You may VERY LIKELY stop the offending emails from darkening your cyber-door. I did this with two different people who were sending me this dreck. Not once, since taking action, have I received ANY further emails like those. In fact, those two now confine their emails to me - strictly to more harmless social and joke stuff.

You HAVE TO respond. You can't just leave it hanging out there. Unless you don't mind if they keep coming.

[tandot]

7. The families of the over 1000 soldiers killed by Bush will certainly

agree with you. /sarcasm

and you forgot another point

Iraqi children sodomized and raped by soldiers with permission of the Pentagon ... GREAT!

[RoyGBiv]

8. Delete Key

Most e-mail programs have a delete key. They work wonders.

And if you're really feeling ambitious, apply some junk mail filtering.

[TX-RAT]

9. Third party posting.

I think I'll pass.

[oasis]

12. Clinton is a Rhodes Scholar...good. Bush is an arrogant dumbass...bad.

[pleft]

13. This one has many problems

Clinton bombs Chinese embassy - good.... Bush bombs terrorist camps -
bad....


If I remember the bombing of the Chinese embassy was a "mistake" and certainly no one treated it as "good"....Also, Clinton did attempt to bomb "terrorist camps", but Repubs treated it as "wag the dog"...

[JHB]

20. What terrorist camps did Bush bomb?

The only one I know of was the one in the Kurdish zone that Saddam hadn't controlled for 12 years.

Oh, wait, maybe they mean ones in Afghanistan. Gee, I remember some cruise missiles being fired off that way, and when all the present-day Bush supporters weren't clucking "wag the dog", they were laughing about using such advanced weapons to attack "some tents and camels".

[bushisanidiot]

14. Gullible Repukes believe everything the Nazi RNC says

"No mass graves found in Serbia - good... No WMD found Iraq - bad... "

I can see why so many repukes are confused. They get lied to by their own leaders. Guess it's too hard for these idiots to read through the spin even though FOX "News" even reported on the mass graves found in Bosnia.

Here's an article from April, 2004:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C118667%2C00.html

"SARAJEVO, Bosnia-Herzegovina — Bosnian Serb authorities offered details of six previously undisclosed mass graves in the town of Srebrenica on Friday, their first step in cooperating with a commission investigating the worst civilian massacre (search) in Europe since World War II (search)."

here's another article from CNN - 2002

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/07/23/bosnia.grave/

"SREBRENICA, Bosnia-Herzegovina -- Forensic experts discovered a mass grave in northeastern Bosnia that may contain up to 100 bodies of Muslims killed in the Srebrenica massacre of 1995. "

A simple google or yahoo search will prove all of the RNC "facts" absolutely wrong. But, repukes are too lazy and ignorant to do any research of their own.. they just swallow what is fed to them by their nazi leaders.

idiots!

[pleft]

15. nice

good work, thanks

[pleft]

16. these

Just require the addendum that Clinton put to together an actual coalition of the willing in Kosovo and that had he decided to attact Iraq he would have done the same.


Clinton imposes regime change in Serbia - good... Bush imposes regime change
in Iraq - bad...

Clinton says Saddam has nucs - good... Bush says Saddam has nucs - bad...

Clinton calls for regime change in Iraq - good... Bush imposes regime change
in Iraq - bad...

[pleft]

17. fix

[lapislzi]

18. Simple. Take Clinton out of the equation

Patiently explain to your deluded opponent that Clinton is not running for anything. Perhaps he didn't get the memo.

[indigo32]

22. Exactly!

what the heck is it with these people.