Former Chess Champ Bobby Fischer arrested in Japan

[The Zanti Regent]

It is so sad to see someone's mind go to seed. Thirty years ago, Fischer was a bona fide hero in the US, now he is a hard core anti semite. Breaks my heart to see the antisemitism that just oozes out of this site:

http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/

His sickening radio interviews are on this page. Note the one where he cheers the destruction of 9/11...

[Guaranteed]

1. Holy SHIT!

They fucking FOUND him?

O-M-G!

Dude has been wiped from the face of the EARTH for DECADES.

[Guaranteed]

3. That site is heavily anti-Semitic, by the way

I don't know if I can believe the story or not. It looks like a scam. They have contact numbers and stuff.

[Jack Rabbit]

12. It could be true

Fischer is under indictment for playing a match in Yugoslavia against Boris Spassky in 1992 while travel to that country was prohibited.

As for the root poster feeling bad about Fischer losing it, he lost it a long time ago. During the seventies it was reported that he had the fillings in his teeth removed because he believed they were being used to transmit sublimital messages or some such nonsense.

For those who appreciate such things, this is one of my favorite Fischer games. (In the final position, if White plays Kxf4 then Black (Fischer) replies Bh6 checkmate.)

[Nimzo Indian]

21. Nice!

Though I have his games collection, I hadn't actually seen that game before....

From a purely chessic standpoint, one cannot underestimate Fischer's contributions to the game - real prize money, decent playing conditions, the Sicilian Najdorf could really be called the Fischer Variation, etc.

Also, thanks for the kind welcome to the DU community.

[Jack Rabbit]

25. Letelier-Fischer (Liepzig 1960, King's Indian Defense)

This game is annotated by Fischer in My 60 Memorable Games.

Here's one that isn't in the 60 Memorable:

Fischer v. Jorge Rubinetti, Palma de Mallorca, 1970 (Sicilian Defense).

Fischer at Palma is one of the greatest performances by a grandmaster in a top rated tournament ever. It ranks with Capablanca at London 1922, Botvinnik at The Hague-Moscow 1948 and Dr. Lasker at St. Petersberg 1914.

[newyawker99]

45. Hi Nimzo Indian!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Jack Rabbit]

46. Misplaced post

See below

[rman]

29. yeah it's rather critical of Israel,

and we can't have that, can we?

[Guaranteed]

31. It's more like all the talk about "dirty Jews"

Honestly:

If you don't recognize that site as anti-Semitic, you need help. If that's not anti-Semitic, there's no such thing.

[rman]

34. there are differences

Compare the literal jew hating of any neo-nazi site with sites that are critical of Israel. You can't lump the two together under the title "all the dirty jew talk". Well, you can, but it wouldn't be very accurate.

Does Fisher actually call jews "dirty"?

[Guaranteed]

35. Have you even looked at that fricking site?

We're talking about the SITE, here. LOOK at it.

[rman]

38. ok

this bit:
"The so-called "Holocaust" of the Jews during World WarⅡ is a complete hoax! It never happened."

puts the site and Fisher in a different light. bad call by any standard.

Still i argue that it is inaccurate to lump this together with critisism of Israel and call all of it "like all the talk about "dirty Jews"".

Have you ever listened/read at what Finkelstein has to say?
"The Holocaust Industry - reflections on the exploitation of jewish suffering"
http://chicago.indymedia.org/usermedia/video/10/finkelsteinmar0456k.wmv

[Jack Rabbit]

47. Nonsense

That is not legitimate criticism of Israel being expressed on that site. That is naked anti-Semitism. It is out-and-out racism.

Mr. Fischer is wanted by the US government for passport violations and income tax evasion. These are matters unrelated to Middle East politics. To suggest that he is being persecuted as part of some sinister omnipotent worldwide Zionist plot is nonsense.

Although Fischer of Jewish descent, he has embraced this kind of racist filth for whatever dark reason. It is very unfortunate.

If true, this item is newsworthy. It doesn't seem to be reported elsewhere, otherwise we would hope that the root post would come from a reputable source that spares us neo-Nazi rhetoric.

Although the story is plausible, I will regard it as false until it is confirmed by a more reliable news source. Even Fox News is to be preferred to an anti-Semitic scandal sheet.

[trumad]

2. That's a weird site you sent me too.....

[Caution]

4. It's really a damn shame but it's also hard to sympathize

Bobby Fischer's worldview is just disusting.

[AbbeyRoad]

5. Wow...that's weird

Bobby Fischer is half Jewish himself.

[Guaranteed]

7. The guy's a nutcase.

But when you're the best to ever play the game, I guess you can afford to be a little eccentric. It might even demand it.

[leftistagitator]

10. Well, Hitler was rumored to be half Jewish as well.

It does seem odd to me that one could be bigoted against oneself, but apparently it does happen. Cosby doesn't like black people, Fischer hates Jews, and Orielly hates America, so being from a group of people doesn't mean you like them.

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_325b.html

[AbbeyRoad]

16. Yeah, it happens all too often

People transfer their issues, which often rise from inter-familial conficts and self-hatred, onto entire groups of people.

[smirkymonkey]

24. Freudian Projection...

these people are filled w/ self-hatred and projecting the disowned parts of themselves onto the "other" even though they are, to some extent, what they despise.

Kind of like Republicans who hate "perverts".

[takebackthewh]

27. He hates half of himself, I guess.

[rman]

28. oh sure, as do Chomsky, Finkelstein and a bunch of others

Norman G Finkelstein
DePaul University, Chicago
on "The Holocaust Industry - reflections on the exploitation of jewish suffering"

"...I happen to have this very rare imunity;
it's very difficult to call me anti-semetic, it's kindof stupid.
Then you can try with the self-hating jew, but that's beginning to wear thin.
And you can't call me a holocaust denier. I mean, they do (...) but who takes it seriously? If you want to ridicule me, ok, say this guy is a non-stop holocaust afirmer - i never stop talking about it.
(To call me) a holocaust denier is just dumb.
I have what i like to call holocaust imunity; i have the credentials, and all the usual slurs (...) they don't stick with me.
So i can get away with things that nobody else can..."
http://chicago.indymedia.org/usermedia/video/10/finkelsteinmar0456k.wmv

[leftistagitator]

6. Why was he arrested?

Sorry, all I could tell from the website was that Jewish controlled Japanese police brutally attacked him for no reason. Is there perhaps a non-Klan approved version of this story out there?

[Guaranteed]

8. He was indicted back in the nineties

when he went to Yugoslavia, against the wishes of our government.

http://www.chesscity.com/Features/indictment.html

[Nimzo Indian]

11. Also....

He stopped paying taxes sometime in the mid-70's.

Very, very sad that Fischer's paranoia has gotten the best of him.

Was he arrested as part of an extradition effort? Or some other issue in Japan? Anyone know?

[Jack Rabbit]

14. Welcome to DU, Nimzo Indian

That's my favorite response to 1. d4.

[curse10]

22. Welcome to DU Nimzo Indian!

:hi:

[Jack Rabbit]

17. Can't find anything to authenticate the story

I will assume it is false until a reliable source reports it. Nevertheless, it is plausible that he has been arrested. He is wanted by the US government and he is believed to be living in Japan.

[NecessaryOnslaught]

9. Bobby is out in left field with a hockey stick.

I always give the benefit of the doubt, but listening to his interviews, he is definitely far gone. :crazy:

[rman]

32. what, is he calling for another holocaust,

or is he just critical of Israel?

[Guaranteed]

33. You need to read up on what you're talking about.

And, YES, he DID call for another holocaust at one point.

[rman]

36. source?

you may want to do some reading yourself

Norman G Finkelstein
DePaul University, Chicago
"The Holocaust Industry - reflections on the exploitation of jewish suffering"
ISBN 185984488X

http://chicago.indymedia.org/usermedia/video/10/finkelsteinmar0456k.wmv

[Nimzo Indian]

13. More Fischer background....

http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2002/12/chun.htm

[DemoTex]

15. Trap .. dominate ... fuck!.

Fischer's weird game. Third time tonight I can cite Granta. Granta #47: Losers

[Twillig]

18. TDF

I thought Nigel Short coined that expression.

So, what is new about Martin Amis? Is he a loser in this issue? Hope he can manage some Hitchen's bashin.

[Jack Rabbit]

19. It was Nigel Short

Fischer described his method as Push, sac, mate.

[DemoTex]

49. Sorry, you are correct!

Nigel Short was TDF.

[DemoTex]

51. I think Martin split with Hitch

Funny thing is that Martin's dad, Kinsley Amis, was very close to what Hitchen's politics are now. Never-the-less, Kingsley Amis's One Fat Englishman is the funniest fucking book I have ever read. Period. Amen. It has the best description of being drunk that I have ever read. It is so real that I feel that I have, at some time in my life, actually been drunk. Naw!

[dolo amber]

20. That is one seriously jacked-up site

As has been previously stated, I'm a Jew and as far as I can tell I ain't controlling jack happy dammit; Nor have I been receiving my checks for my share of the *Jew Fund*...wtf's up with THAT?! :shrug:

[Davis_X_Machina]

23. IIRC, Bobby and Barbra Streisand...

...were in the same freshman homeroom, shared a thing for Mad magazine -- the poor man could have been spared an even worse fate.

[takebackthewh]

26. Isn't he half-Jewish himself? What a nut. n /t

[rman]

30. sure, much like Chomsky, Finkelstein and a bunch of others

Norman G Finkelstein
DePaul University, Chicago
on "The Holocaust Industry - reflections on the exploitation of jewish suffering"

I happen to have this very rare imunity;
it's very difficult to call me anti-semetic, it's kindof stupid.
Then you can try with the self-hating jew, but that's beginning to wear thin.
And you can't call me a holocaust denier. I mean, they do (...) but who takes it seriously? If you want to ridicule me, ok, say this guy is a non-stop holocaust afirmer - i never stop talking about it. (To call me) a holocaust denier is just dumb.
I have what i like to call holocaust iminity; i have the credentials, and all the usual slurs (...) they don't stick with me.
So i can get away with things that nobody else can.
http://chicago.indymedia.org/usermedia/video/10/finkelsteinmar0456k.wmv

[nodehopper]

53. are you actually equating Fischer's loony rants with

The Holocaust Industry writings?

You keep responding with references to Chomsky and Finkelstein who both have written compelling works dealing with the use of the Holocaust in racist politics in Palestine. That does not make them self-hating Jews, obviously, just like all the Jews in JATO, JREJ and various other pro-peace and Palestinian solidarity groups aren't self-hating.

Bobby Fischer, being a half-Jew and spewing psychotic anti-semitic garbage, well, that DOES make him a self-hating Jew.

[Guaranteed]

37. Here's a link to the story from a non-anti-semitic source:

It seems like it's breaking out all over the news now

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apasia_story.asp?category=1104&slug=Japan%20Bobby%20Fischer

On edit: Looks like they're going to deport him back here. Whoa...wonder what we're going to do with him?

This'll be on the news.

[merh]

39. How odd - he will be extradicted back to the states

to face charges for violating UN sanctions. Do we know of anyone else who has gone against the UN, or more importantly turned their back on the UN? Wonder what the admin will do?

"The U.S. government accused Fischer of violating U. N. sanctions against Yugoslavia by playing the match. The sanctions were imposed on Yugoslavia for provoking warfare in neighboring Bosnia-Herzegovina."

[rman]

40. i say agent provocateur

I was to hasty in defending Fishers views. My apologies.
Though i'd still defend his right to express his views. After all, Goebbels was in favor of freedom of speech for opinions he agreed with, as was Stalin - but that isn't freedom of speech. Of course the name-calling doesn't qualify as opinion, though as far as i'm concerned anyone is free to do that as well, it's just that i won't listen to it.

However,

Fisher's name-calling and holocaust denying undermines any serious critisism of Israeli policies, but i guess that's exactly the point of what he's doing.
Seriously, what *would* be the point of lying and evoking negative emotions ("sh*t up you *ss", "f*en jew" etc) rather than having a rational discussion on the matter? There's plenty to discuss, why have the mind narrowed by anger?

The result is that many people will rank this together with any serious controversial works on Jewish and Israeli history, thus discrediting those works. I can imagine there are people who have an interest in doing just that.

[NecessaryOnslaught]

41. Exactly

Fischers speech is an incoherent string of jibber jabber, laced with a slew of racial slurs and woman bashing. If your going to be critical of Israel, at least make a point, not mindless, all encompassing Jew bashing.

[Jack_DeLeon]

42. What a fucking quack.

[allemand]

43. Bobby Fischer is mentally ill

His website is a clear manifestation of that illness.

It's just plain crazy to take it seriously.

[librechik]

50. thanks for the clever and compassionate post--

Welcome to DU, allemand!

[MadHound]

44. Sounds like this is the culmination of Fischers ongoing mental deteriation

I remember waaay back when, when I was seriously into chess. Fischer was the hot ticket then, but even so, I realized at an early age that this man was a bit "out there". Very eccentric, bordering on paranoia. Sounds like the paranoia is getting the best of him. A damn shame, the man had a beautiful chess mind, changed the game forever.

[donhakman]

48. who is to say

he didn't suffer mercury poisoning from old fillings, or that in his flight from celebrity 90% of what is reported about him is as factual as Bush's great war victory.

[GiovanniC]

52. Based Only on the Stuff He Said, the Dude Is 100% Bona Fide Batshit

Batshit, I say.

If he had just left it at spitting on the letter telling him not to go to Yugoslavia, that would be one thing.

But his cheering of what happened on 9/11 and his rants about the Jews and the Holocaust makes him not just batshit, but also fuckin' evil.

[Zomby Woof]

54. and now for some Tom Waits

I got the style but not the grace
I got the clothes but not the face
I got the bread but not the butter
I got the winda but not the shutter

But I'm big in Japan I'm big in Japan But heh I'm big in Japan

I got the house but not the deed
I got the horn but not the reed
I got the cards but not the luck
I got the wheel but not the truck

But heh I'm big in Japan I'm big in Japan I'm big in Japan

I got the moon I got the cheese I got the whole damn nation
On its knees I got the rooster I got the crow
I got the ebb I got the flow

I got the powder but not the gun
I got the dog but not the bun
I got the clouds but not the sky
I got the stripes but not the tie

But heh I'm big in Japan I'm big in Japan I'm big in Japan

Heh ho they love the way I do it
Heh ho there's really nothing to it

I got the moon I got the cheese
I got the whole damn nation on their knees
I got the rooster I got the crow
I got the ebb I got the flow

I got the sizzle but not the steak
I got the boat but not the lake
I got the sheets but not the bed
I got the jam but not the bread

But heh I'm big in Japan I'm big in Japan I'm big in Japan
I'm big in Japan, I'm big in Japan