please help debunk this....Dems & SS

[Desertrose]

Got this email from a friend and well...sounds like typical Repub spin to me...
Have at it DU experts! :)
Thanks
DR



SOCIAL SECURITY:

Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social Security (FICA)

Program. He promised:

1.) That participation in the Program would be completely voluntary,

2.) That the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of
their annual incomes into the Program,

3.) That the money the participants elected to put into the Program would
be deductible from their income for tax purposes each year,

4.) That the money the participants put into the independent "Trust Fund"
rather than into the General operating fund, and therefore, would only be
used to fund the Social Security Retirement Program, and no other Government program, and,

5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as
income.

Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are now receiving a
Social Security check every month -- and then finding that we are getting
taxed on 85% of the money we paid to the Federal government to "put away," you may be interested in the following:

Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the independent "Trust"
fund and put it into the General fund so that Congress could spend it?

A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the Democratically-controlled House and
Senate.

Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax deduction for Social
Security (FICA) withholding?

A: The Democratic Party.

Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social Security annuities?

A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the "tie-breaking" deciding
vote as President of the Senate, while he was Vice President of the US.

Q: Which Political Party decided to start giving annuity payments to
immigrants?

A: That's right! Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party. Immigrants moved
into this country, and at age 65, began to receive SSI Social Security
payments!

The Democratic Party gave these payments to them, even though they never
paid a dime into it!

Then, after doing all this lying and thieving and violation of the original
contract (FICA), the Democrats turn around and tell you that the
Republicans want to take your Social Security away!

And the worst part about it is, uninformed citizens believe it!

Perhaps we are asking the wrong questions during this 2004 election year!

If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of awareness will be planted
and maybe good changes will evolve.

How many people can YOU send this to?
Keep this going clear up through the 2004 election!! We need to be heard!

[sendero]

1. This was posted...

.. a few weeks back, I know snopes has a page that makes mincemeat of most of it but I don't have a link - perhaps you could do a search and find it...

[comsymp]

2. Dunno if this will help, but since you have a star

I do know that it's been posted in GD within the last 3-4 days- bookmarked it at work (where it doesn't help much at the moment)

[Cocoa]

3. not quite typical RW spin

this is even more stupid than most of these stupid emails.

[Wilber_Stool]

4. Go to snopes.com

This is old shit.

[zbird]

5. Snopes link inside. Remember to reply to all with the link.

http://www.snopes.com/cgi-bin/news/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000003

[Cleita]

8. Nada.

Maybe this was hacked.

[The Zanti Regent]

6. Here's your answer, DR

ANSWERS IN CAPS


SOCIAL SECURITY:

Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social Security (FICA)

Program. He promised:

1.) That participation in the Program would be completely voluntary,

2.) That the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of
their annual incomes into the Program,

3.) That the money the participants elected to put into the Program would
be deductible from their income for tax purposes each year,

4.) That the money the participants put into the independent "Trust Fund"
rather than into the General operating fund, and therefore, would only be
used to fund the Social Security Retirement Program, and no other Government program, and,

5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as
income.

Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are now receiving a
Social Security check every month -- and then finding that we are getting
taxed on 85% of the money we paid to the Federal government to "put away," you may be interested in the following:

Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the independent "Trust"
fund and put it into the General fund so that Congress could spend it?

A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the Democratically-controlled House and
Senate.

FALSE--IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN BUDGET CALCULATIONS

Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax deduction for Social
Security (FICA) withholding?

A: The Democratic Party.

FALSE--WORKERS NEVER HAD A FICA INCOME TAX DEDUCTION, THE ONLY TIME THEY GOT A REBATE IS WHEN THEY PAY OVER THE FICA LIMIT

Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social Security annuities?

A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the "tie-breaking" deciding
vote as President of the Senate, while he was Vice President of the US.

FALSE--TAXATION OF BENEFITS BEGAN WITH THE 1983 AMENDMENTS PASSED BY REAGAN.

Q: Which Political Party decided to start giving annuity payments to
immigrants?

A: That's right! Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party. Immigrants moved
into this country, and at age 65, began to receive SSI Social Security
payments!

ANOTHER LIE--SSI STARTED UNDER NIXON AND CHURCH SPONSORED IMMIGRANTS UNDER THE SSI LAW COULD GET SSI PAYMENTS, WHICH WERE ELIMINATED BY BILL CLINTON IN 1996

The Democratic Party gave these payments to them, even though they never
paid a dime into it!

ANOTHER LIE--FORMER COMMISSIONER DORCAS HARDY, APPOINTED BY REAGAN WAS FIRED AFTER CBS LEAKED A LETTER INDICATING SHE WANTED SSI BENEFITS TARGETED TO GROUPS THAT WOULD REGISTER AND VOTE REPUBLICAN (VIETNAMESE AND CUBANS)

NOW HERE IS ONE QUESTION THESE LIARS WON'T TOUCH--WHO PROMISED TO LEAVE SOCIAL SECURITY ALONE, AND THEN BANKRUPTED THE TRUST FUND TO PAY FOR MORE TAX CUTS FOR HIS FRIENDS?

YOU GOT IT--OL GEE DUBYA

[Desertrose]

7. Thanks...found it on Snopes.com

here's the link -hope this one works....copies OK but doesn't come up correctly

www.snopes.com/cgi-bin/news/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000003

How could I not have remembered Snopes...duh!

Peace
DR
:hi: thx Zanti Regent