My chair got kicked at F9/11 when I yelled Amen during

[greenbriar]

the reading of lipscombs son's letter.

I knew it was coming and had planned on saying it.

when my chair was kicked from behind, I looked up at an older man about 50..he said to "shut up and watch the movie" I told him if he didn't like my freedom he could leave...he said I had a big mouth


meanwhile, an elderly couple sitting next to us were shocked and angered and upset with what they saw on the movie.

when Powell was on at the start of the movie, I commented to my bro that that man lost all respectability and the old man said yes he did.


Standing ovation and lots of claps

oh and the guy that kicked my chair slunked out


I am not upset he kicked my chair...I actually laughed after the movie with my brother..he was worried...I told him that people like that get angry when a nerve is struck...

[Fovea]

1. where was this?

and how full was the theater?

[greenbriar]

3. Wichita Kansas

more than 3/4ths full


and people waiting to enter the 9 pm showing

[beyurslf]

74. I live in Wichita too. Bill Warren is such a pig for not showing

it at his "nice" theaters.

I do have to say that I hate it when people talk in movies...and especially when they talk to the screen.

[HEyHEY]

176. SHit is was probably my freeper buddy there, oh wait...

He said "I refuse to pay $7 to be lied too"

[bookman]

2. Shut up and...

.. is a Repug thing. I think Laura Ingraham is big is promoting that. I heard it once at a Dixie Chicks concert. I suspect they're saying shut up and.. a lot these days.

[mandyky]

5. O'Liely is big on "shut up"

I don't watch him or listen to his radio show, but Al Franken has played enough of his "shut up"s.

[in_cog_ni_to]

11. I just watched "OUTFOXED"

and they did a segment on O'LIELY telling people to shut up. That's where they get it from. We don't allow that phrase is our home yet they spew it over the airwaves on a daily basis. I HATE that phrase. It's rude....repukes are rude.

Leave it up to a repub to kick the back of someone's seat during a movie. :eyes: They are a truly pathetic lot.

[HEyHEY]

178. And no credible "Journalist" on a talk show should say that

O wait...O'Rielly, there goes the credible part

[merh]

17. When we were growing up, our mother used to fine us a nickle if she

heard us tell each other shut up. She thought it was the most disrespectful combination of words. Of course, if we said it to her, pepper sauce on the tounge was the punishment.

Repukes have no respect for others and they think saying shut up will result in the facts not being heard, thus they never happened, thus they can't be true.

[rustydog]

4. I agree with the 50-year old

The others in the theatre paid to see the movie, not listen to you.
Personally, I can't stand people who comment during a movie.

[pocket]

6. same here

unless it's Rocky Horror, I'd prefer to be hear the movie not the audience.

[greenbriar]

7. so you think it is perfectly okay

to forcefully kick another's chair???



Oh and by the way, there were comments all through the movie...I wasn't most of them, just the one.

[rustydog]

9. If you had respected the other moviegoers right to see and HEAR

the movie without planned viewer commentary, the chair would not have been kicked.

Your action caused an equal and opposite reaction. Ergo, shut up while the movie is playing.

The age old arguement: others were doing it does not make your transgression legitimate, it makes you just as inconsiderate as the others.

sorry, but that is my view. if I want to hear from you, I'll ask your opinion AFTER the movie, not during it.

[Zen]

15. I made all kinds of comments during the movie

I didn't hear any complaining whatsoever. Lots of people have commented during this movie - it has that affect on people - it a political movie after all.

[Zen]

10. I'm losing my patience with these fools. If they wanna whine and

complain, they ought to be prepared for getting back what they give.

[mondo joe]

12. You invited the chair kick.

People with poor boundaries are the bane of life on earth.

[mellowinman]

101. Here's me, in a sarcastic voice:

"People with poor boundaries are the bane of life on earth."

"People with poor boundaries are the bane of life on earth."

"People with poor boundaries are the bane of life on earth."

Do you hear the tone of my voice?

Kick my chair at F911.

I dare you.

Na myoho renge kyo

Na myoho renge kyo

Na myoho renge kyo

Na myoho renge kyo

Na myoho renge kyo

Did you ring the bell? If you don't ring the bell, it doesn't count, or at least it doesn't do any good.

People with overly defined boundaries are the bane of life on earth.

No, that's still stupid.

People who decide what the bane of life on earth is are the bane of life on earth.

No, that's still not getting it.

How about this:

People who tell other people to shut up should just shut up.

Yeah, I'll go with that.

And for the last time, this wasn't fucking "Casablanca."

It was Fahrenheit 911.

Deal with it. People can talk during this movie.

Did I mention that they always play it fucking LOUD, anyway?

Go fire Whoopi Goldberg, or something.

[buycitgo]

185. Excellent, my man!

herbie hancock would dig you

[SammyWinstonJack]

249. HeeHee

"Go fire Whoopi Goldberg, or something." :evilgrin:

[merh]

257. I love your post!!!

thank you for cleverly stating the obvious!

[Misunderestimator]

245. Have you even SEEN the movie? EVERYONE comments during it.

sheesh

[dsc]

13. It is never OK to kick people

but I have to say I hate plunking down good money for a movie and not being able to hear it due to inconsiderate people who choose to talk during it. There are certain genres of movie I refuse to go to for that very reason and certain theaters I avoid for that very reason.

[greenbriar]

18. one comment from me during a spot

where there was nothing being said is not me disrupting the movie

[LibertyorDeath]

42. schoolteacherpam well if someone told me to shut up

and kicked my chair because I spoke a single word or phrase during a movie they would be calling the Cops I'd be all over the fucker in the blink of an eye.

I go from o to 100 if someone tells me to shut up.

He said this to you because you are Female and he is a Coward.

No I don't like it when people talk through a movie but it is

perfectly obvious from your original post that's not what you were doing

[greenbriar]

67. if I were not a teacher

I would have been all over him, but the last thing I needed was a

"teacher goes bizerk during F9/11" headline


Mr. Paige would have fodder for his terrorist remark then

[DS1]

55. Maybe he felt that you destroyed the entire gravity and power of the

moment, which was likely.

[LibertyorDeath]

80. Maybe he was a Complete Fucking Asshole

They're everywhere these days.

[FeebMaster]

81. Yeah.

Talking in theaters and stuff. Everywhere.

[LibertyorDeath]

83. You can read ?

No I don't like it when people talk through a movie but it is

perfectly obvious from your original post that's not what you were doing

[FeebMaster]

88. Yes I can.

My original post?

[TrogL]

86. many people doing a stupid thing doesn't make it any less stupid

Shut up and watch the movie.

[rinsd]

255. No, the kicking of your chair was wrong...

However, I must agree with the silence is golden theater approach. When I went to see it there was a 10 person cheering section. It was obnoxious as they shouted things throughout the movie. And these were people I likely agreed with. People around me kept turning around with annoyed looks on their faces.

The movie is powerful enough...the cheering actually takes away from the experience especially when its a minority of the theater.

[Misunderestimator]

244. WHAT?!? The BEST part of going to this movie is sharing the reactions

of the audience and participating. I've seen the movie twice and hundreds of people applauded, commented, sighed, cried, laughed. "AMEN" is somehow a comment that would bother you, and warrant a PHYSICAL reaction of KICKING someone's chair? Unbelievable.

Now when some idiot accepted 3 phone calls in the row behind me, and actually had a conversation on one of them, THAT warranted her being criticized, which I did... though I would NEVER have kicked her chair.

odd.

[redqueen]

251. Yes!

I agree completely... I enjoy movies like this MORE when I can enjoy sharing the experience, and you aren't really sharing anything if you're all just staring in silence.

Good example of REAL rude behavior too.

[Selwynn]

260. So do I.

[TlalocW]

8. The old man was probably a rethug

But you can't always assume that. I'm not shy about telling people to pipe down during movies, turn their cell phone off, or take their crying child out so that others can enjoy the movie, and that could have been the case. Now for a movie like F/911, you're going to expect some amens, just like you were would expect some screams during a horror movie so the old man could just have over-reacted (probably not when he slunked out), but he could just have been a crotchety old coot who wanted to listen to the movie and not some young whipper-snapper like you. :)

TlalocW

[greenbriar]

14. a 37 year old whipper snapper

but I kept calm most of the movie...infact when I said Amen, it was at a spot that was quiet...the perfect place...no more disrupting than an Amen when the preacher is fired up!


ironically, the first time I saw the movie the amen was said at the exact same place I said it and the whole theater applauded.


Many agreed with me this time too...and My comment was by far the most tame.


during condi's moment I heard several bitches

[Zen]

20. Don't let all these suddenly sensitive people (after all the talk of

applause and comments on here for several weeks) get to you. There are some people who will just criticize you on principal, but would have cheered with you at the movie.

[TlalocW]

24. You're 37? I'm 32. You're so old!

Just kidding. :)

I agree with you that this is the sort of movie that you talk back to the screen as well as your assessment of the old man.

When I saw it in Tulsa, some guy with just the most perfect redneck accent and his girlfriend sat behind me. I mean, the "Boy, yew look jest lahk ah hawg" dude from "Deliverance" would tell him, "Okay, you're really perpetuating a stereotype with the way you talk." They talked throughout most of the movie, and I held back even though I wanted to tell them to shut up since 80% of the time, it wasn't anything important related to the movie. "Hey, there's one of them trucks like what Billy-Joe-Jim-John-Junior rolled last month!" I held back because I didn't want to get in a shouting match at that movie, and luckily he left when the troops started criticizing the war and the Bushistas, exclaiming, "This is bullshit!" as he left the theater.

TlalocW

[mondo joe]

16. Sick of god damn "comedians" and talkers at movies

When I pay to see YOU perform you can blather to your heart's content.

But you can be pretty damn sure that people who paid to see a movie did not pay to hear your running commentary or "wit".

That's not addressed to anyone in particular. Just every idiot with a big mouth at a movie.

[Tansy_Gold]

22. I ****"HATE****** going to the movies just because

of the talkers, the laughers, the ones who have seen it before and have to tell their friends, the crying babies, the kid who has to pee, the noisy candy wrappers, the spilled soda.

[mondo joe]

29. I can take a lot - just not the clowns who need attention

I don't mind a lot - some things are just accidents. And I don't even mind people getting up or parents with crying kids if they're at least TRYING to be respectful.

But people who think they're funny - and generally aren't - and need attention at the expense of others - well, for them I have no patience.

[TheWatcher]

172. So you would have kicked her chair too?

I dare you to say yes.

[Piperay]

237. Yeah, me too

I hardly ever go to movies because I find the chit chat too annoying. :mad: I used to like to go to the drive-in because you didn't have people sitting around you making noise and if you wanted to do a commentary yourself you weren't bothering anyone else. :D Unfortunately because land is in short supply and drive-ins take up a lot of space there aren't hardly any around anymore. :argh: :-( :cry: :shrug:

[merh]

26. Now see, I am of a different mind set. If I want no talking during a

movie, any movie, I wait till it comes out on DVD and I watch it in the privacy of my home. I am intelligent to know that it is practically impossible to go any place that has an audience and expect silence from the audience during the performance/show. Human nature is a funny thing. The majority of folks cannot sit quiet for 2 hours. A documentary like F911 evokes passion from the audience, shock, indignation, shame, fear, resentment and hate. Some think if they sit quiet and do not react, they are complicient.

To those movie goers that have posted here objecting to comments made at a movie I have a suggestion -- do not go see F911 in a theater. Wait and buy it on DVD and watch it in the privacy of your own home.

[mondo joe]

31. Everyone knows you're not supposed to talk at the movie.

I don't need absolute silence.

I just expect some self restraint.

My 6 year old knows not to talk in the movie theater, and to respect others (except her older sister).

If she can manage it so can others.

[merh]

39. Then wait and buy the DVD of F911 because you have been warned

comments will be made.

[mondo joe]

43. I saw it already.

A few people made comments.

The vast majority didn't.

You want to make commentary, you take your chances.

[merh]

75. And if you go to a public theater, you take the chance of people

talking during the event. The only law about a theater is that you cannot yell "fire" other than that, speech is not banned. Assault (kicking another patron) is against the law. hhhhmmmmmm.

[mondo joe]

99. Absolutely. A lot of chance taking.

Disruptive behavior is not acceptable in the movie theater and you CAN be removed by management.

And kicking the back of a chair really isn't assault.

[mrboba1]

246. Why not?

And kicking the back of a chair really isn't assault.

Why not? Assault is not defined by actually hitting someone, that is battery. Assault is this:
threat or use of force on another that reasonably makes that person fear bodily harm.

Technically, it could be made depending on the 'victim's' state.

If he kicked the chair and then stood up - I dare say that would be assault.

I can't believe that there are that many people that are in an uproar b/c one person said 'amen'. (not directed at mondo in particular)

Get a grip people. This is a movie that is designed to elicit strong responses, yet you don't want people to do that. Maybe people should be quiet for LoTR or Spiderman, but this is fucking
Farenheit 9/11!!!

[merh]

91. You want to go to a public theater, you take the chance of others

talking during the film/event. The only thing wrong or illegal about speech at a public theater is yelling "fire" or of course, if the person is so loud and obnoxious, the ushers may ask the person to leave. On the other hand, assault on a fellow patron (kicking someone) is illegal.

[Tansy_Gold]

199. I'm pretty sure I can count the number of times I've gone to the

movies in the past twenty years on two hands, and most of those occasions have been with free passes, because I really REALLY hate to spend my own hard-earned money and then be bothered with distractions.

Hubby and I went to see F 9/11 in the theatre because we wanted to add our tickets to the total sales. We were lucky enough to have a nearly empty theatre (9 a.m Saturday showing in a a real puke stronghold area) and so didn't have much interruption.

But I do wait for films to come out on video, on cable, or whatever, because I much prefer the comfort and quiet of my own living room, and the luxury of the pause button.

And I have been known to address disruptors in the theatre. I might not have kicked someone who uttered a single word, but if they were continually disruptive or if that single word was announced in a way that disrupted for an unreasonable space of time, I might be pretty upset.

I also have a problem with people who brag about bad manners.

[Zen]

205. "I might not have kicked someone who uttered a single word"

Nuff said, that's what this thread is all about.

[buycitgo]

221. hey, tansy!

I'm supporting "bad behavior" for this movie only, or others like it, where the audience is generally responding in a like manner, as I've said elsewhere here, like an African American audience would to Blacula, or Scream, etc.

you wouldn't be telling them to STFU, cause everybody'd be doing it

see the diff?

I've asked people to be quiet under different circumstances, and it all depends on the situation, don't you think?

btw, I miss the old Arlington theater, and the Catlow is about to be torn down.

pave paradise and put up a parking, uhhh, garage

[LibertyorDeath]

138. mondo joe she said one Fucking word Amen

What part of this do you not understand.

Please do explain. Goes the same for the rest on this thread with the oh my god she was talking during the flick.

NO SHE SAID ONE FUCKING WORD! Amen

Is there a difference between someone sitting in front of you saying one word during a 2 hr movie or repeatedly talking.

DUH !!

She said one Fucking Word. So how is that this.

"When I pay to see YOU perform you can blather to your heart's content.

But you can be pretty damn sure that people who paid to see a movie did not pay to hear your running commentary or "wit".

That's not addressed to anyone in particular. Just every idiot with a big mouth at a movie."

You are talking shit

[DS1]

189. when the whole place was silent, gears are maybe starting to turn

and some clown yells "Amen". Funny stuff :eyes:

:kick:

[mondo joe]

218. To be fair, she described it as YELLING. And I wouldn't have kicked.

I wouldn't have kicked her chair, or any other chair. I'm not the sort of person who does that - just as I'm not the sort of person who yells in the theater.

So I'm not particularly advocating kicking anyone's chair.

What I did say - somewhere in the thread - was that if you do yell or talk for a long time you're inviting a reaction. I wouldn't kick your chair for doing it - but someone else might.

And as I said in that post about talking at the movies - I wasn;t talking about anyone in particular - just my general gripe with movie talkers.

[Selwynn]

261. Amen - I've had people ruin several movies for me by talking so much...

.. I couldn't even focus.

[emulatorloo]

19. He was wrong to kick your chair, but you were wrong to YELL

at a really quiet, emotionally charged, and moving part of the movie. You probably ruined the experience for him.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

25. Who said she YELLED? eom

[FeebMaster]

35. It says it right in the subject line. (nt)

[greenbriar]

40. well maybe yelled was not the right word

it was more like a church AMEN

[emulatorloo]

240. He was probably ready to vote for Kerry, now he will just talk about how

RUDE Kerry supporters are.

Sorry Don't mean to be hard on you. . .I know from your posts you are a good person, concerned about others, and nobody who is committed to teaching kids is rude.

Where I saw F911 there was a lot of laughter, tears, gasps, etc. We were all responding to it together. It was a terrific experience.

What bothers me about your AMEN is that it was Premeditated. You went into the theater with a plan to yell it out. It probably sounded that way too. If you had been moved to make a spontaneous comment, I doubt the guy would have been mad at you. But he was probably ticked about the theatricality of it. . .again it is a very moving part of the movie, and you broke that for him.

IMHO

[REP]

21. They Paid To Watch The Movie, Not to Listen to You

Anyone who can't keep quiet while watching a movie *does* have a big mouth. Making comments on the movie as it is being shown only detracts attention from the movie. The best thing to do in any movie, but especially one with an important message, is to keep quiet so others can hear for themselves. No one is handing out prizes to the audience members who make the cutest comments; no one goes to a movie hoping that someone in the audience will provide an alternative narration.

[ConsAreLiars]

23. F9/11 IS an interactive event,

If the audience does not react, the movie is not doing what Moore intended. Whether it is cheers and "amens," or jeers, or quiet tears.

(edit: add missing word)

[greenbriar]

27. exactly

and I knew it would NOT be a place to distract from the movie...rather it reinforced the point!

[REP]

34. Obviously, You Were Wrong

The man behind you didn't need you to editorialize on Moore's work for him to understand it.

[Zen]

28. Thanks for putting the previous "correct" comments back into perspective!

n/m

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

30. In schoolteacherpam's defense

this was the MOST interactive movie I have ever been to, besides Rocky Horror. I don't normally cotton to people talking during a movie either, but during F 9/11, I heard loud gasping, "Oh my GOD"s (loads of them), "WHOOOO"s, amens, and one very loud "WHAT THE FUCK?". And of course ROARING laughter that went on so long in some cases, you could barely make out Moore's commentary when it continued. It was one of the loudest movies, audience-wise, I have seen in recent history. And that includes when I went to see the third Harry Potter movie in June and a group of rabid HP fans who had apparently imbibed in some Wild Turkey first started shouting "HAR-RY! HAR-RY!" during the opening credits of that movie. After that they piped down. Those crazy Harry Potter people. LOL!

Oh and PS there's no excuse for kicking someone's chair. I have been in movies where someone's comments were loud enough and often enough to truly distract and you simply say "shhhh!" or lean over and ask them, very politely, to lower their voice so you can enjoy the movie. If they get all hostile, it's not as if you were being ugly or anything. That's when you get an usher. But kicking the back of a chair is unacceptable.

[greenbriar]

33. when I left, there were people

starting to chant impeach



my brother had to go to the rr so we left soon after it was over, but it looked like it could get rowdy with impeachment chants really quick

[foolmeonce]

36. please don't rate the two as equal

"Your action caused an equal and opposite reaction. "

i also am not completely fond of noise in the theatre (altho f911 is certainly not your typical movie - more of a celebration) BUT the "amen" certainly did not warrant a chair kick. i am a very passive individual but someone kicking my chair would have certainly pushed me over the edge. i'm sure it would have ruined the experience for me. retribution in the form of physicality is CERTAINLY uncalled for when the original offense was of the verbal sort.

someone says something you dislike, is it okay to smack them? certainly not.

a simple "shhhhh" would have been more than sufficient and probably more effective.

just my thoughts

[buycitgo]

44. AMEN!

[buycitgo]

38. totally agree w/interactive nature of this: tightasses, SFU!

now. my favorite ''loudmouth'' movie

Circle Theater, Washington, DC, around 1980

Dr. Strangelove, rowdy crowd before show, quited down during opening credits, until Kubrick's name appears.

then, some guy down in front/center stands up and starts slowly, languidly, to clap, very loudly, about ten times.

then, from the back of the theater, somebody yells out, "sit down, Stanley!"

place went up for about a minute (you could smell weed in the theater); set the tone for the movie: people interacted throughout, talking along during various scenes, laughing, clapping, loudly and extendedly thoughout.

[mondo joe]

45. You want interactive, you got interactive. An interactive kick.

You want to be a comedian, you take your chances.

[Zen]

49. LOL - we're gonna be in a cyberbrawl before you know it - LOLOLOL

This thread has really degenerated fast! :)

[buycitgo]

50. jesus, what's with all these people condoning violence?

a case could be made for that ahole being arrested for assault, you know. a simple STFU, or less, would have done

[mondo joe]

56. Assault? For kicking the back of a chair? Oh honey.

I don't think so.

[buycitgo]

68. oh, honey, you don't know much about the law

"the law is A ass"

you can be arrested for TOUCHING somebody with one finger, if the touchee so desires to call a cop

Kicking a chair could cause.......whiplash

had it been me, I'd have thought about going to the lobby and telling the manager what happened

give the guy a taste of his own medicine

[mondo joe]

105. You can be arrested for any false charge, it's true.

But kicking a chair still isn't assault.

[buycitgo]

139. who CARES? you can still be ARRESTED for it

especially when the other person acts first.

it can get very nasty

want to take that chance?

I ain't no lawyer, but my sister is a fricking judge, and you should hear the stories of petty jackasses that pull exactly this kind of crap, especially on their own family members

that includes, of course, just MAKING stuff up

[mondo joe]

167. Since you can be arrested for made up things...

Since you can be arrested for made up things, what you do really doesn't matter, does it?

[buycitgo]

186. only to you, my friend

[buycitgo]

84. help! I/m being repressed! Come see the violence inherent

in the system!

[mondo joe]

192. You can be arrested for touching someone, or for something made up

As you've said, you can be arrested for touching someone, or for something made up

And I agree.

So if you can be arrested for something you did, or something you didn't do, what difference does it make what you actually do?

[rinsd]

256. Agree with the kicking of the chair.

Jesus, the guy was old enough to know what is the proper and polite way to ask someone to quiet down.

[Taylor Mason Powell]

32. Oy. I hate people who talk and hiss and boo in the movie.

When I went to see "The Corporation," my movie experience was significantly marred by a woman behind us who insisted on HISSING at everything! You can imagine in a movie like that how much truly hissable material there is. Folks, I really don't need the running commentary! It's VERY distracting.

[greenbriar]

37. have you seen F9/11 yet?

if not then you better wait to see it on DVD because it elicits responses you never knew you ever had.


everyone comments at some point.

[buycitgo]

41. STP, you is spelling illicits wrong

It are spelled with a "e" and one ''l''

regards,

GW Bush

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

46. Oy

Elicits.

Illicit--totally different thing!!!

[greenbriar]

47. Thanks...I am a horrible speller

GWB can kiss my arse

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

48. Just out of curiosity

what grade do you teach? I am a teacher, too. Eighth grade English.

[greenbriar]

52. 9-12 grade social studies

teaching world history...bla next school year but got to teach Govt this summer.

It was really hard to be unbiased!!!!! :) but I managed

[buycitgo]

54. mine, too; six ways from the fourth of July

and.........I wonder how many of these free speech zoners have seen this movie?

should we take a poll of the tightasses here?

or what?

I haven't even seen it yet, cause I think I'm going up to a beer n brew in Milwaukee this weekend

what could be a BETTER place to see it

matter of fact, somebody paid for a FREE house there tomorrow night

the Rosebud, in Wauwautosa; two showings

line up early

[mondo joe]

51. If it were a Repub making an anti-michael moore comment

And someone kicked the chair you would all be cheering the kicker.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

57. We ALL would be???

Are you absolutely sure about that?

All of us, right? As in every single one?

You seriously might want to re-think that little statement, my man.

[mondo joe]

58. Close enough to all. Consider it poetic license.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

65. Oh "close enough"

no I am sorry, ALL does not equal "close enough to all".

When you make absolute statements, they are meant and taken as absolutes. It is absolutely (LOL) untrue that we ALL would be cheering the kicking of the chair of an anti-Michael Moore person. I, for one, would condemn it just as surely as I have in this case.

I'm sure there are many others here who would, too.

So your statement is untrue.

[buycitgo]

59. and your point is?

have you seen the movie?

if everyone else was making comments all the way through, would you be telling EVERYBODY to SHUT UP at every single outburst?

that would be swell to see

lighten up, buddhaboy

accept life as it is

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

62. I second this question

have you seen F 9/11?

And are you about to out yourself?

Kick, indeed.

[mondo joe]

63. Yes, I've seen it. And I didn't tell anyone to shut up.

There were a few comments but for the most part everyone was very civil.

[buycitgo]

71. where/d you see it? in a morgue? funeral home? Cheney/s

basement?

[mondo joe]

72. I saw it opening weekend in downtown Seattle. Full house.

There was a lot of laughter, quite a few groans. Not a lot of talk.

[Zen]

82. Wow, people made some really appropriate outbursts that caused

laughted and some applause during the movie - it's the WHOLE reason I wanted to go OPENING NIGHT - for the FUN of being around people with SIMILAR VIEWS and really enjoy it. I saw it a second time on a Monday night to absorb some stuff I couldn't when the theater was full (the sad parts). Just me.

[Katarina]

253. Whoa

"There were a few comments but for the most part everyone was very civil."

And someone saying AMEN one time through the entire film is uncivil? Give me a break. Kicking the back of someones chair and telling them to "shut up" is uncivil.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

60. Do you like Buddha?

[mondo joe]

64. Even the Buddha would ask people to keep it down in the theater.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

66. That wasn't my question.

[mondo joe]

69. I don't know Buddha so I can't say I like or dislike Buddha.

There you go.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

76. But you know him well enough to know

he would tell someone to shut up in a movie theater!

Making me laugh over here....

[redqueen]

242. *snicker*

Glad I went back to read some of these... lol

[Taylor Mason Powell]

53. I saw it the second day it opened...

in a packed theater, in arguably the most liberal city in America. There was a lot of collective, booing and hissing, and of course laughter and clapping, but I don't remember being annoyed by any one particular person. It's all about context and degree I guess. This woman at The Corporation just insisted on letting us all know how she felt about everything...

[Taylor Mason Powell]

61. Whoa, sorry about the italics!!

For some reason, DU won't let me edit my post to fix it!

[foolmeonce]

70. okay, help me......im the new guy

i've been trying to post enough replies to magically unlock the ability to post my own question....but seem to not comprehend the correct meaning of "few".

can anyone tell me where to find us military admission/recruiting statistics? it seems that my right-winger friends are most worked up with mike's inference that the military was "made up" of low income, new graduates. of course, each of them can cite one friend who put off his post-graduate work/profession of medical science...blah blah blah to serve and protect.

i am certain that the majority of our military is made up of kids straight out of high school. i'm also certain that a majority come from financial situations that make enlistment the best option. i'm also certain that minorities have played a larger part than ever before....... i just can't provide statistical proof.

anyway, like i said, i'm new to the forum and so far, i really enjoy it! great work my people.

[greenbriar]

78. I teach in a very HIGH poverty HS

and there is a always a military person during lunch giving out candy and pencils ect...

[buycitgo]

79. I think it's only ten posts, right?

welcome

just try googling your military enlistment statistics thing there

see what happens

[foolmeonce]

100. i did

tried jeeves too.

i'm usually quite good with ye olde search engine but can't seem to get what i'm looking for.

[buycitgo]

112. try one more post, then see if you can start your own

or.......start a post here with what you want in it, including the header and body, and I'll start it in whatever forum you want

[foolmeonce]

120. i'm free

of tyrannical post restrictions.

thanks for the offer tho.

[buycitgo]

132. you GO! did you start thread? where?

I/m curious myself, as I have three nieces that are of draft age

[foolmeonce]

177. gen disc

[Kipepeo]

183. Some stats on recruitment

Article that includes a lot of stats on race/income:

http://indypendent.org/webnews/index.php?action=show&type=news&id=160

It's hard to find income data. Some more race stats, these from the DOD:

http://www.dod.mil/prhome/poprep2002/chapter3/c3_race.htm

Education level stats from the DOD:

http://www.dod.mil/prhome/poprep2002/chapter3/c3_education.htm

Article on pentagon targeting latinos and mexicans for war on terror:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0910-06.htm

Senior Pentagon officials have identified Latinos as by far the most promising ethnic group for recruitment, because their numbers are growing rapidly in the US and they include a plentiful supply of low-income men of military age with few other job or educational prospects.

Recruitment efforts have also extended to non-citizens, who have been told by the Bush administration that they can apply for citizenship the day they join up, rather than waiting the standard five years after receiving their green card. More than 37,000 non-citizens, almost all Latino, are currently enlisted. Recruiters have even crossed the border into Mexico - to the fury of the Mexican authorities - to look for school-leavers who may have US residency papers.

[buycitgo]

73. I/m getting a big black bar when I hit View All. anybody else?

great

brand new computer

keep getting error message whenever I post

anybody else?

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

77. Yeah me too just hit the back button and send again and it posts

[buycitgo]

89. thx; figured that out, but what about the View All?

you getting that, too

P in the A going to each individual new post

[DaveOinSF]

85. You were rude

That guy did you a favor by only kicking your chair and not asking the theater staff to throw you out.

[Zen]

92. Haven't you been paying attention? Did you see the same movie?

There was a LOT of interaction at the full house showing I went to and it made me enjoy the movie even more. IT'S A POLITICAL MOVIE FOLKS - SNAP THE FUCK OUT OF IT!!!

[mellowinman]

93. Hey Dave...

go see the movie, and make it a point to get anyone kicked out who talks.

Let me know how that works out for you, OK?

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

106. Good point

geez the guy sitting next to me was OBVIOUSLY pissed off at all the laughing people were doing at bush and he kept saying "bullshit" everytime Moore narrated. Would it have been ok to body slam him or something? No. Not only because it's WRONG, but because there was SO much verbal interaction with that movie, it was SO freaking loud in there, there is NO WAY anyone but me and the person on the OTHER side of him even heard him.

I cannot imagine trying to get people kicked out of F 9/11 for saying things during the movie. Anyone who even entertains that notion has clearly not seen it, because there's no way in hell that would work. It's not even done like a drama where you have to be quiet.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

94. What a load of bullshit

did her a FAVOR by KICKING the back of her chair???

WTF? So he couldn't just say "shhhh" or ask her, in a whisper, to lower her voice so he can enjoy the movie? His only option is to kick the back of her chair and you think he did her a FAVOR?

SERIOUSLY messed up.

Besides, she has pointed out several times that she said it during a moment when there was no dialogue.

Have YOU seen the movie???

[mellowinman]

87. I cannot believe what I am reading on this thread!!!!

What the hell is wrong with some of you people?????

Yeah, OK, when you're at MOST movies, you probably shouldn't talk.

This is FAHRENHEIT 911!!!!

This movie is DESIGNED for talking back to the screen.

EVERYBODY is doing it!

It is a GOOD THING!!!!

I am just sickened and appalled. All of you who told this poster they should have shut up are (wait for it...)

WRONG.

Are you all from some weird, parallel universe? There have been posts on this, and other message boards since the day F911 came out talking about how the audiences are reacting to this stirring and emotional film.

The poster said "AMEN."

NOT, "hey, who cut your hair?" like the class cut up on Cheech and Chong.

GOT IT?

Now, all of you who said this poster didn't have proper manners, or whatever derogatory comments you made; YOU OWE HER AN APOLOGY.

These comments truly turn my stomach.

By the way, did anyone notice that F911 is usually played REALLY REALLY LOUD, and isn't some kind of intricate drama where you need each moment of sound and action or you won't know who killed the FUCKING MAID?????

My wife and I saw this film, and talked back to the screen, as did the rest of the theatergoers that day.

If anyone had kicked my wife's chair, and told her, "shhhhhh," GUESS WHAT????

You're right.

They would've gotten a fucking knuckle sandwich.

Just something for all of you "I hate when people talk" folks to keep in mind. If you're not a big brute, or well versed in the martial arts, or packing a handgun with intent to KILL, I recommend you don't kick anybody's chair, OK?

[FeebMaster]

90. People who talk in movie theaters turn my stomach. (nt)

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

98. Wow you must not see many movies in theaters, eh?

[FeebMaster]

103. No not really.

Too many rude people who can't sit still for two hours without yapping.

[buycitgo]

107. so, what are you, the hall monitor?

you must not go to many movies these days, do you?

if so, I'd guess you spend a lot of movie time shushing people

enjoy your existence

[FeebMaster]

114. Nope. I'm just polite.

"you must not go to many movies these days, do you?"

That's right, I don't. Too many rude jackasses who can't shut it for 2 hours.

"if so, I'd guess you spend a lot of movie time shussing people"

Not really. That's as annoying as the people who can't stfu.

"enjoy your existence"

Will do.



On edit: typo

[mellowinman]

127. How is telling another person how to behave

and glorifying how wonderful you are on an internet thread

POLITE?

Please be specific.

[FeebMaster]

130. I'm not telling anyone how to behave

or glorifying how wonderful I am. I'm just saying I don't like paying $10 to listen to the peanut gallery yap for 2 hours.

[mellowinman]

157. I'm sorry, but I beg to differ.

1. You told her that people who talk in movies "turn your stomach." She said "Amen," and that was all.

2. You did say how wonderful you were. You bragged that you were polite.

3. How could she make "Amen" last for two hours?

You're wrong.

Dead wrong.

Saying "Amen" during F911 is acceptable.

Saying otherwise just makes you an ass.

If you talked while I was enjoying something that was high art, I would be pissed.

But this movie is meant to manipulate your emotions, and again, they play it REALLY LOUD.

[FeebMaster]

173. Well, you're wrong.

"1. You told her that people who talk in movies "turn your stomach." She said "Amen," and that was all."

Saying that a behavior turns my stomach isn't telling someone how to behave. They are perfectly free to behave as they like, whether it turns my stomach or not.

"2. You did say how wonderful you were. You bragged that you were polite."

Saying that I'm polite and don't talk at the movies is neither bragging nor claiming I am wonderful. It's simply saying that I am polite and don't talk at the movies.

"3. How could she make "Amen" last for two hours?"

I neither claimed nor implied this. I did say that people who can't shut their traps for two hours while a movie is playing bother me, or something to that effect.


"You're wrong.

Dead wrong."

No, I'm not.


"Saying "Amen" during F911 is acceptable."

No it isn't.


"Saying otherwise just makes you an ass."

You're welcome to your opinion.


"If you talked while I was enjoying something that was high art, I would be pissed.

But this movie is meant to manipulate your emotions, and again, they play it REALLY LOUD."

Are you telling me how to behave? The volume level of the movie isn't relevant to the rudeness of talking while it's playing. Would it be alright if I made a quick phone call at the symphony while they were playing fortissimo?

[mondo joe]

95. Maybe at home is the better place to talk to the screen.

You know, in the privacy of your own home.

[Zen]

96. There are a bunch of fussy fart little creeps on tonight - I'm going to

BED! Geez, people are being super ass holes tonight - are we under some sort of terrorist attack or something?

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

97. No but I think

a few people freeped up on us tonight.

[Zen]

104. Makes ya wonder doesn't it??

n/m

[FeebMaster]

111. Yeah everyone knows

only freepers advocate shutting up in movie theaters. :eyes:

[Zen]

You guys are just starting trouble by being the "grinch police" without

even considering the enormous emotional experience this was for many people including myself who LOVED the outbursts - they MADE ME LAUGH and I TOTALLY agreed with them because it was opening night and that was why I bought tickets a week in advance for - to enjoy the raucousness of opening night - heck I was ready for a fight.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

116. Have you seen the movie?

[FeebMaster]

No. How is that relevant? (nt)

[buycitgo]

129. jesus!

you have absoultely no frame of reference with which to judge audience response to this movie

others here have very eloquently expressed their reactions, as well as others

there have been MYRIAD threads here devoted to just this experience

what kind of tunnel you been living in?

are you like some kind of super AR type?

or what?

[FeebMaster]

137. My frame of reference is that I don't like

listening to the audience during a movie. Any movie.


"what kind of tunnel you been living in?"

No tunnel.


"are you like some kind of super AR type?"

AR? On the assumption that you mean anal retentive, no.


"or what?"

As I've said once or twice in this thread, I don't like people who talk during movies at the theater. It bothers me.

[Zen]

144. Well, don't go to this movie then because it's FUN!!!!

You don't seem to get that.

[FeebMaster]

151. If you say so. (nt)

[buycitgo]

170. dyou BELIEVE these people?`

could it be they're just ****** who've just racked up a bunch of posts?

never seen em before

[FeebMaster]

175. Obviously people who think talking at the theater is rude

are freepers here only to undermine DU. :eyes:



"never seen em before"

Maybe my shadow will follow you into this thread and inform you that I post mostly in the dungeon and am also pro-gun and am therefor, at best, just a pro-gun "Democrat."

[Zen]

188. Guns are loud.

There's plenty of pro-gun Dems since the Killer Chimp took over BTW

[FeebMaster]

191. There were plenty before as well. (nt)

[Zen]

195. We're multiplying - hehe

If the Chimp does get reelected, I'm gonna have as nice a collection as the right-wing gun nut at work.

[FeebMaster]

211. It wouldn't surprise me

in the next three or four presidential elections to see the Democratic Party take on a far more pro-gun line, possibly to the point that the reputation of the Democrats being the gun grabbers and the Republicans being pro-gun starts to be reversed. Certainly there seem to be more pro-gun Democratic voters everyday, although as I said there has always been a decent sized minority of them. The Republicans aren't shy about passing gun control of their own, despite their supposedly pro-gun reputation. Republican voters who believe that the Republicans are actually pro-gun are a lost cause, but the Democrats could stand to attract a decent number of voters who have given up on both parties while waiting for reform.

on edit: poor grammar

[mondo joe]

214. I'm feeling more and more pro gun with all the time.

[FeebMaster]

219. DU is full of pro-gun people.

The other side just screeches louder while arguing that John Ashcroft should be able to ban whatever kinds of guns and ammo he wants.

[buycitgo]

193. what does pro gun mean? is that who you hang around with?

sounds like it

try actual people for a change

[FeebMaster]

200. I don't understand most of your post.

Pro-gun means someone who supports the right to keep and bear arms to one degree or another. I support it more than most.

"is that who you hang around with?

sounds like it

try actual people for a change"

Most of my friends, online and offline, are indeed pro-gun to one degree or another. Surprisingly enough, they are also actual people as well.

[buycitgo]

223. do you have ANY sense of humor at all?

I'd stay away from you at a shooting range, that's for sure

btw, I shot a rifle for the first time in decades last summer:

a thirty cal. WWII carbine.

some frickin fun

and I have a good friend who owns machine guns out the wazoo; going to Ft. Knox next year for the mother of all shoot fests. heard about that one?

[FeebMaster]

225. Yes, I'm a laugh a minute.

Knob Creek. I've never been there myself, from the videos I've seen it is certainly impressive, though.

http://www.knobcreekrange.com/
http://www.knobcreekshoot.com/

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

140. Pfft. How is it RELEVANT???

How about this: go see the movie and see what kinds of reactions it elicits. Then come back and tell us about the noise level.

[FeebMaster]

145. I can go to any movie and see a bunch

of jackasses talking and being otherwise rude. Just because a bunch of people are being obnoxious doesn't mean it isn't obnoxious.

[buycitgo]

147. heh, did you see the other responses about talking?

how much would you give to go to the movies and sit behind this guy and WAIT for him to make the slightest sound, then KICK the back of his chair and tell him to STFU?

can we come to the show with you, mr. mondo?

you'd better not make any noise!

[FeebMaster]

154. By all means.

You won't hear me making any noise during a movie.

[buycitgo]

179. including breathing or heartsounds, no doubt

are you always totally humorless, or just playing it in this lifetime

enjoy your sad little, circumscribed world, my friend

who you voting for, anyway, Mother Theresa's ghost?

[FeebMaster]

181. I've never heard another persons heartbeat

from feet away. People who breathe loudly at theaters bother me too.


"are you always totally humorless, or just playing it in this lifetime"

Rude people in movie theaters are no laughing matter.


"enjoy your sad little, circumscribed world, my friend"

Will do.


"who you voting for, anyway, Mother Theresa's ghost?"

I don't think she's running.

[buycitgo]

187. oops.......misread your post

didn't see the part about :from feet away:

thought you were such a sad case that you'd never heard another person's heart beat

that would explain a lot

I felt sad for you til I reread your lame response

you really need to get a life

[FeebMaster]

190. OK

but I don't think Mother Theresa or her ghost will be running for president anytime soon.


On edit:

Way to edit your post. Now mine isn't as funny and people are going to keep thinking I have no sense of humor.

"I felt sad for you til I reread your lame response

you really need to get a life"

Thanks for your concern but I'm fairly happy with the one I have.

[buycitgo]

197. you underestimate the pugs, doncha think?

you know they're capable of anything, specially since she's more animated than Cheney is

[FeebMaster]

215. Not at all. (nt)

[mondo joe]

163. Who said anything about waiting to kick the chair?

"how much would you give to go to the movies and sit behind this guy and WAIT for him to make the slightest sound, then KICK the back of his chair and tell him to STFU?"

Could you at least have the decency to be honest about this?

The original poster said she YELLED in the theater. And that she planned to.

I don't know how much noise she was making, and neither do you.

I haven't kicked the back of anyone's chair, and I'd be extraordinarily unlikely to do so.

Then again I'd also be extraordinarily unlikely to yell in the theater.

[mellowinman]

123. You are absolutely right.

I don't normally hang around on a thread, but I'm fucking LIVID over these morons!

YOU DO NOT HAVE TO SHUT UP DURING FAHRENHEIT 911!!!!!

I don't like people to rustle a fucking CANDY WRAPPER at a serious film, or an orchestra concert, or something where the moment is being carried by each preceding moment.

But FAHRENHEIT 911????

It's the Political "Rocky Horror Picture Show!"

I saw it on a freakin' Sunday Afternoon when it was beautiful out, and there were only about 30 people in the theater, and everybody made comments, and so did we.

I am PISSED OFF.

I'm going to say it again:

Everyone who said schoolteacherpam deserved her chair kicked is WRONG.

Not subjectively wrong.

Not a degree of wrong.

ALL THE WAY WRONG.

And I'm going to reiterate that if you kick my chair for saying "Amen," I'm going to kick something of yours.

Guess what it will be.

Go ahead, GUESS, motherfucker!

Did'ja guess yet?

[Zen]

131. I hear ya man - I wanna kick somebody's _____ about now too - lol

The one dude admitted he didn't see it and didn't see why that was relevant - what a maroon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lolol

[buycitgo]

158. best part about all these loogoobs is how inflexible they are

they will not admit the POSSIBILITY that there might be an exception to their funereal approach to moviegoing

wouldn't you love to sit by them at a show and tell them not to laugh so loud during a funny segment

that happened to me last year at a Richard Lewis standup show

some geezer--eightyish!--poked me in the ribs and told me to stop laughing so loud!!!!

swear to god?

I said to him.......oh. sorry, I must have thought I came to a COMEDY show, or something! total buzzkill for a few minutes

felt bad afterwards for the geez, cause I musta bummed his trip, but WTF was he DOING there in the first place?

PS Richard Lewis HATES Bush, and is pretty vicious to him, depending on the venue; much moreso in Chicago than Milwaukee

[Zen]

168. Thanks for the tip on Lewis. I can't imagine being in the same theater

as some of these anal obsessive folks. All I know is, if I got thrown out of THAT movie for participating, well, I can't say what I'd do (use your imagination).

[buycitgo]

182. it was a live show; I've seen him three times recently

well worth seeing; stream of consciousness, combined with neuro/near psycho distress, combined with coming to grips with aging screeds

I was crying with laughter many times; had trouble breathing once or twice, and I've seen some funny standup, including Woody Allen, Firesign Theater (not really standup, but insanely, achingly funny), Dennis Miller, even, when he actually WAS funny, believe it or not.

[greenbriar]

102. thank you

!

[JSJ]

109. it's our movie/ our message afterall n/t

[foolmeonce]

113. bingo!

it's a celebration. best of all, it's our celebration.

as for the "if you kicked his chair we'd be cheering" crap..... um.... yeah because it's us and them. they suck and she's one of ours. are we seriously berating her for giving an "amen" to the cause?

[mondo joe]

122. I'd prefer not to see the world as us vs them.

I think if a behavior is acceptable it's acceptable for all, or the reverse.

And with regard to the movie being "ours" - I can only say that a lot of us have put a lot of effort in getting the people who aren't "us" to go see it.

I, for one, would really like those people to see and hear the movie rather than feeling they've been suckered into "the enemy's" lair.

And of course I'd like to see and hear it myself - just like any other movie.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

128. Well it's been out a while now

why don't you go see the earliest showing on a weekday and sit as far away from everyone as you can?

That's about the best you can get on a movie like this one. At least until most people have seen it and/or when it comes out on DVD.

[mondo joe]

134. But I've already seen it, opening weekend, civil audience

As I said earlier, I saw it opening weekend. Full house.

There was a lot of laughter, a lot of groaning. A couple of comments that I could hear, but only a couple.

[foolmeonce]

136. you'll notice tho

i said us "and" them, not "vs". i was also talking about the american political climate and not "the world".

my only screening was with my "good fight" mother and my repuke fiance and mother in law. yeah, i convinced them to "see what they were hating".

[mondo joe]

150. Just the same, I don't believe in double standards for people I agree with

I don't believe in double standards for people I agree with.

I don't like someone I agree with yelling at a movie any more than I do someone I disagree with.

[foolmeonce]

161. but......

again, it's a celebration. it's our movie. it's our house.

it's like how you had a different attitude at your home high school basketball games than you did on the road. you're a whole lot more loose in your gym.

normally i don't see movies like this but this was more of an even than a movie.

[Name removed]

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[buycitgo]

198. uhhhhhhh, who's being uncivil?

have you tried surgery to try to thicken your skin?

you going to run to the mods and tell on me for being mean?

[mondo joe]

207. That would be you, so far.

I wasn't planning to run to anyone about anything.

I have to admit I thought DU was a fairly civil place. I'm sure I only had that impression because I haven't participated regularly enough.

Some of the posts here tonight have convinced me that du in its own way can be as bad as free republic.

[buycitgo]

224. so telling me to take ritalin is civil, huh?

at least try not to be a hypocrite, ok?

like I said, maybe it's time for a skin transplant

[mondo joe]

227. Relative to the many insults and accusations you've leveled tonight

that's extraordinarily minor.

[buycitgo]

228. you crack me up

slings and arrows of your own interpretation

sorry if you feel so wounded, so put upon, poor baby

are you chained to this thread?

that's it! I just figured it out.......yer a maso frickin kist

welcome aboard, marquis!

btw, I just took my ritalin, and I feel........energized!

did you take your Bosco yet?

[troublemaker]

108. Inexcusable behavior

Who yells at the movies? More to the point, who asks like a complete ass and then brags about it?

[Zen]

110. You?

n/m

[buycitgo]

118. har har har

really, man

what is WITH these loogoobs tonight?

I can't wait to see it at the brew n stew this weekend

can you imagine what that's going to be like, specially with a little pre-op dosage?

[Zen]

124. Yeah, have a good time - ignore these little people who couldn't

possibly have seen the same movie. Go, enjoy, be raucous!

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

115. I didn't get the sense she was bragging about it

she was talking about the guy who kicked the back of her chair. She also pointed out she said amen during a moment with no dialogue (I can think of plenty of places in the film where you could easily do that).

There was a LOAD of talking to the screen the two times I have seen it in Dallas-area theaters. No one seemed to be offended. And as I said above, in some spots, the laughter was so loud (HOWLING) that it carried over into the first few seconds of Moore's continuing narration so we couldn't even hear that, but no one seemed to mind as that previous scene was so. Damn. Funny.

It's definitely NOT your normal movie experience. Very rowdy.

So, have you seen it?

[troublemaker]

133. Not bragging?

So what is the post? A confession? A plea for help?

It's some jerk saying "listen to what asshole thing I did" and expecting adulation.

In one of your earlier posts you suggested this shit is okay because people go to F9/11 to be with people that think the same way. If it's understood that F9/11 is for people that all think alike perhaps the distributor should stop advertising it as a thoughtful film that everyone should see no matter what side they're on. Just a thought.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

135. Excuse me you have me confused with someone else

as I never said it's ok because people go to this film to be with people that think the same way.

I will look for the post you are thinking of, but it wasn't me.

Just a thought.

On edit, looking around you seem to have me confused with JSJ or Foolmeonce, who both said things to the effect you paraphrased in your post.

[troublemaker]

146. Right you are

It was ktf23t's comment, not yours.

[mellowinman]

142. Explain in great detail

how saying "Amen" translates into "an asshole thing."

C'mon, be specific.

This is a legitimate thread about a film that is very moving, and evokes a great amount of emotion.

The director PLANNED for it to be that way.

There has been thread after thread on this forum about how people in audiences are reacting to the film.

Saying "Amen" is not an asshole thing.


Now provide a logical argument that proves me wrong.

I'm willing to bet my next paycheck you can't do it.

[mondo joe]

153. Maybe some people need to talk when they're moved and other don't

[troublemaker]

160. The poster Stated it was a pre-planned utterance, not a reaction.

[troublemaker]

159. Yelling at movies is definitive of assholic. QED

Look in the dictionary under assholic behavior and it says "Yelling at movies," right ahead of "demanding logical refutation of assertions not supported by logic in the first place."

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

164. Ummmm

I've seen other movies in which you hear people yelling at the screen, either in fright (think Signs--we heard quite a bit of yelling out in fright in that one) or in frustration: "RUN!!!!!"

[buycitgo]

201. hahahahaha can you imagine our two friends at

an African American theater, during, say Sweet Sweetback, or Blacula?

they'd have some fun, hey?

[troublemaker]

210. I used to see horror movies in Chicago's wino theaters

(once grand downtown movie palaces that had become primarily a warm place for homeless folks to spend the day) and those audiences never shut up. Seeing ALIEN there sounded like steerage on the Titanic!

But I accepted that with good humor because they were just drunk and startled; none of the audience participants had formulated a plan to enhance my appreciation of ALIEN.

[buycitgo]

226. which one: Oriental, Chicago, State Lake? other?

too cool.

so at least we're making progress here.

you object to preplanned PDEs?

btw, I saw Alien at the same theater at which F911 premiered in DC, the uptown

the first night it played in DC

what an experience THAT was

some laughter at the excellent, amusing dialogue, but lots and lots of DEAD silence, til the thing jumped onto John Hurt's helmet

then, lots of screams after that, all at the appropriate moments

never forget that one

[foolmeonce]

117. huh?

some of the music made me laugh OUT LOUD. i'm sure my laugh lasted more than the two syllables of "amen". i also am known to laugh quite loud. am i an asshole?

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

121. No shit

I can't believe this little two second amen (would it even have been two seconds) at a spot when no one was talking would even be that big of a deal.

The guy who yelled out "WHAT THE FUCK?" when Moore was talking about the bush family/Saudi family/bin Laden family/bandar bush stuff was WAY louder and longer, I imagine than her amen. And he did it when Moore was narrating, and it made people titter a bit after that.

[buycitgo]

125. of course! how dare you express yourself in a public place?

you belong in a free speech zone

oh, yeah.......hope you loogoobs can reccanize the sarc

[grasswire]

148. BCG!

You never told me you're a Holy Grail fan.

[buycitgo]

165. hey! just about my fave! trying to find Life of Brian in my

pile of unlabeled VHS tapes

been looking since Passion of the Ass came out

doug said he had an email for me; saw it unowhere, but I haven't gotten it

my regular one works, I think

I sent you one awhile back, but the email thing I have doesn't let me check sent mail

did you get it?

[grasswire]

204. yep

Sent one back tonight to your regular mail.

I watched Life of Brian on Easter. (appropriate, no?)

[buycitgo]

229. heh, sure is

I AM an individual

always look on the bright side of life, etc.

will we be able to do the latter come Nov. 3?

let us pray

dona eus requiem..........Bonk!

[troublemaker]

143. Probably yes, but not for laughing at movies

The original poster states that she *planned* to yell something at the screen before even getting to the theater, so what do laughter and spontaneous exclamations have to do with anything?

[foolmeonce]

180. similar levels of noise

[greenbriar]

119. I don't usually talk at movies

this one is the only one

and I didn't make an ass of myself!

I made ONE comment


many made several and it was all fitting


did you sit quietly during this movie???

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

126. I didn't

I gasped, I said Oh my God quite a few times (not loudly), I LAUGHED my FREAKING ASS off at several points and VERY loudly and long, and I think I said "YEAH!" at one very loud point in the film. Other people were "yeah"-ing too, so no biggie.

I mean the laughter parts--I heard people BEATING the wall with their hands who were seated on the ends of the rows, I heard people smacking their legs over and over who were near me. You know that kind of laughter where people kinda let out a long high screaming sound first? THAT was the kind of laughter you heard the most of. NOT a quiet movie at ALL.

Edited to add I'm kinda wondering if all these people doing the bitching on this thread actually SAW the movie. They would have hardly noticed one "amen" amongst everything else. I know I wouldn't have. And like I said, I have seen it twice in two different Dallas-area theaters, the first time was the first night it was out (that Friday). I am going again tomorrow night with my husband and some friends. Will let everyone know if I hear an amen chorus.

LOL.

[foolmeonce]

141. homeboy would have had a sore foot after all the

REQUISITE chair kicking in your theatre.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

149. Yes he would have.

Homeboy. LOL.

He would have needed a home foot massage bath thingie. Yep.

On edit, maybe us Dallasites are just loud. Who knows? But during "normal" movies, it's never much of a problem.

Now during "Anchorman" today, I heard people CHOKING they were laughing so hard. And snorting. And again, beating the wall and their legs. But it was damn funny. Oh and people did that thing where they "echo" the funny thing that was said to the person sitting next to them, like they didn't just hear it, too. That always cracks me up.

[buycitgo]

203. but but but, that's high ART!

did you shush them?

wonder if mondo troublemaker could STAND to go see that

but, wait! that would be a FUNNY movie

they might be too uncomfortable to laugh in public

think they know how?

[foolmeonce]

152. pam, don't quantify your actions

you did absolutely nothing wrong. you're catching an unusual backlash from a group of posters who are late on their child support and feel that a soapbox speech to you will level the karma playing field even if for just one night.

LIVE FREE YE MOVIE (TWO SYLLABLES OR LESS) SHOUTERS!

[troublemaker]

194. I sat quietly, as did everyone else

There was only one intentional contribution to the movie. One guy yelled something at Bush early in the film and the entire theater erupted with "Shut up!" (and coarser variants) from every direction. Then everyone laughed at the force and unanimity of the reaction. There were no further outbursts.

I wasn't in a theater full of Republicans, just people who paid to hear what Michael Moore had to say, not what random people in the audience had to say.

Look at it this way. What person in F9/11 is most likely to interject his or her POV during a movie? It's got to be the "this is staged" lady, right?

[buycitgo]

206. this is TOO funny, mondo troublemaker:

"Then everyone laughed at the force and unanimity of the reaction. There were no further outbursts."

did anybody laugh at the prescribed, requisite points of the movie, or did they just sit there and nod their heads?

please, where was this?

an undisclosed location?

gotcha, Mr. VP!

[nomatrix]

155. Older man at 50, I wouldda told to you shut up too!

Not.
Most of the 50ish of my generation protested the Vietnam war or were in it. I enjoyed being with others who shared the same opinion as well. I smiled whenever I heard someone comment, especially the seniors (over 65 or WWII generation) to know they had a place to speak out.

You said you commented about Powell at the beginning, so maybe you were a bit more chatty than the Amen. A bump with the knee is enough to get the message to keep it down I can't hear with you talking. Shut up reeks of neocon.

Glad you got out to see it.

[greenbriar]

169. The powell comment was just quietly to my bro..the guy sitting next

to me just had moved to his seat..the movie hadn't really started yet.

I was pretty quiet during most of the movie except for that one part because I wanted...NEEDED my brother to get the message.

Before the movie, he was voting for shrub...now he is not.


This is my second viewing...gonna see it again I suspect

[buycitgo]

174. why didn't you put that in the header?

EXCELLENT!

also, I was thinking if we dare axe some of these spoilsports (Ralph, anyone?), just exactly for whom they're voting

howz that for proper object agreement, teach?

[greenbriar]

184. hehe...Im loving the agreement

I tried to edit the starter but it wouldn't let me

[Zen]

156. Let me just post this at the bottom here - THIS IS THE STUPIDEST POST EVER

LOL - I was right for predicting a while back that this was going to break out into a cyberbrawl.

[mellowinman]

166. One more, and then I'll bail.

Just want to say one more time that this is NOT like other movies, and you can say anything you like, and anyone who complains can kiss it.

So people, be forewarned.

The MAJORITY of the audience will kick your ass if you try and shut them up.

Got a problem with that?

Go see "Anchorman."

I'm sure there's no one yelling "Amen" during THAT work of intense, deeply thought out art.

Or even better, go see that Disney "America the Bland."

You'll be lucky if you even hear the sound of fucking BREATHING during that one.

[FredScuttle]

196. Context matters

While I agree that F9/11 is a unique moviegoing experience that rouses you to express yourself at appropriate points in the movie, I remember that particular scene where Lila read her dead son's letter as perhaps the most poignant, powerful scene in the film.

IT DESERVES YOUR SILENCE

I'm glad you knew it was coming, but pity those around you who were seeing it for the first time and didn't get the full emotional impact because you needed to toss off a smart one. Congratulations on feeling so proud of yourself.

[greenbriar]

202. It was one AMEN...

an agreement about not re-electing bush


jesh...

[FredScuttle]

208. Sure....no problem

no more offensive than, say, yelling "A goddamn sled? This is what all this crap was about?" at the end of Citizen Kane. Or "I didn't know she was Jewish!" just before the "secret" is revealed in the Crying Game.

There are plenty of opportunities for you to boo Bush throughout the movie. Leave Lila (and the rest of us) to have her moment.

[buycitgo]

212. isn't having the summer off GREAT!

and don't these poor, AR tightsphincs need to get a massage, or something?

like I said upthread, they should all take in a show in an African American neighborhood, and learn how to enjoy themselves

life's too short to be so emotionally
constipated

[greenbriar]

217. yea summer is great

but I am taking classes and I taught summer school..so really only get about 3 weeks of "vacation"

like going to the dentist and painting my bathrooms and wall papering my living room

[buycitgo]

230. I'm stripping my bathrooms and trying to figure out how

to do a simple Miro repro on the one with the biggest wall

can't figure out the right one yet, or whether I can do it or not.

I have, let's see, five more weeks off; make that six

YES!

[Zen]

213. LOL - you still here? Just ignore the people who are trying to make

some personal comment about "theater disruptors" in general. You and me and everyone else here hates stupid people in a movie theater. These people are being SUPER SELF-CENTERED by not seeing that in context AND ESPECIALLY IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS MOVIE, some outbursts were almost caused by a lack of emotional control - people who can't relate to that need to go fuck themselves and get a real life worth living. Some people just can't see beyong the nose on their own face

[greenbriar]

209. This is someone's experience from another thread

"There were people muttering "damn" and "jesus" and "oh my god" throughout the movie. You could hear crying..though I know I must have been the loudest. My heart was ripped a part by this movie...but by the movies ebd...my heart was once again whole..and cleansed. Cleansed because the truth was finally out there. Cleansed because I got to share that truth with perfect strangers who felt like people I had known for ages."

[buycitgo]

216. thanks for that.......I mentioned above all the other threads here

dealing with reactions, how eloquent so many of the posts were

dunno why these folks here are so adamant about imposing their tightly described circles of acceptable behavior on those intent on enjoying a singular event, ESPECIALLY the one who's admitted that he hasn't even SEEN the damn thing?

sounds suspiciously like, uh, what?

[greenbriar]

220. exactly...

It is a powerful message.

when I said I had planned to say the amen, before I went I kept telling myself don't talk and react because bro needs to understand...it was my one emotion I knew I would need

[bo44]

234. You did nothing wrong

Asshole that kicked your chair had no right. We could argue the legality of his actions all night. But what prick chair kicker did was attempt to use physical force to try and silence you. As a result any argument about what you said being right or wrong is moot. The issue is that the kicker failed to address you as an adult and threw a tantrum. He tried to shush you like a child. I pull that kinda shit in Stockton I get my ass kicked.

[troublemaker]

233. puberty is indeed a difficult time

"imposing their tightly described circles of acceptable behavior on those intent on enjoying a singular event"

EVERYONE IN THE THEATER IS INTENT ON ENJOYING THE SINGULAR EVENT. Being selfish doesn't give you extra rights.

This is the epitome of the adolescent world-view, where the intensity of one's feelings is presumed to be relevant to their place in the world.

Society is supposed to be about maximizing liberty, not maximizing your ego at the expense of others. We would all LOVE to jump up on stage and dance around with Bruce Springsteen, but if we all did that there wouldn't be a show at all. So nobody does it and the few that do are assholes, not matter how intent they are on enjoying a singular event.

[troublemaker]

222. Yes, it's a powerful and moving film

I know you're probably a nice person. In fact, the odds are excellent that you're a nicer person than I am. And I feel bad for criticizing you.

And I'm not defending chair kicking, which is seldom called for when one has the option of hissing or saying "shut up."

But what if a Republican saw the movie and thought the crying Iraqi woman was overly emotive and decided that when he saw it again he would interject, "stop milking it, lady!" about halfway through her lament?

Everyone here would say that really sucks. So it becomes a question not of whether it's okay to intentionally interject at movies, but whether the propriety of such utterances depends on whether the utterer is on the right political side. And that's a bad place to go.

[buycitgo]

231. WADR, you're missing the point slightly

if everybody else is talking it up, I'll bet the negative comment might get a refoinder, but, so what?

he can say what he wants, and anyone else is free to respond

not the most amenable situation, which could escalate, but the point is that this is a special case, not often repeated in most movie theaters

and propriety is not dependent upon whose particular ox is being gored, or on whose side the preponderant opinion lies, but whether both sides can express themselves

hard to disagree with someone's right to express an opinion contrary to one's own, particularly if that person's been spouting off themselves

kind of like being a Cardinal fan at a Cub game, or viceversa

I'd have no problem with somebody shouting out negative stuff at F911.

I might tell em to stuff it, but so what?

another way: there aren't really any absolute rules of behavior, are there?

[ContinentalOp]

232. Good god.

I hope all of the uptight theater monks here never laugh or cry or god forbid cough during a movie. I'm sure you all sit down calmly in your seats at concerts as well and refrain from applause until the guitar player's hands are down at his sides. Heaven forbid that an audience should actually have some sort of reaction to what they're watching. I think some of you need to get out to the big city and experience what a real audience is like. The very best and very worst movies tend to get pretty vocal audience feedback and a totally silent audience is a good sign that you're either watching a forgettably mediocre piece of junk, you're one of three people in the theater, or you somehow got the directions wrong and ended up at movie night in the local seminary.

[troublemaker]

235. Hey look at me! I'm the star of F9/11!

LOL... big city... "real" audiences

Us "uptight theatre monks" happen not to like selfish self-absorbed neurotics acting like children at the movies, but of course we lack your urbane sophistication.

[ContinentalOp]

236. Thanks for LOL.

The urbane sophistication comes from the popcorn you see. After years of buttery buckets you acquire a certain smell of the city. When these juices fully work their way into your brain you simply must give in to the sin of audience participation.

I don't know how else to explain it though. People who would complain about an "amen" during F911 either A. haven't seen the movie. B. live in some dusty little town where no one dares to smile or C. simply need to chill the fuck out.

Of course I would have to agree that in the event of a theater etiquette infraction the best remedy is a quick resort to violence. A sharp kick to the back of the chair followed by a stern verbal warning has been proven to be a very effective deterrent to sneezing operagoers and ice-cube-clinking jazz afficionados. So why not try it out at the local multiplex the next time a moviegoer dares to express an emotional reaction?

[Spentastic]

238. Whilst we're playing this game

I'd like to posit my own little theory.

City dwellers are arseholes.

I would like to expand, but I think my sweeping generalisation pretty much covers it.

The implication that somehow a rowdy interactive audience is somehow superior to a silent attentive one is as ridiculous as claiming the reverse.

Since it's all in the name of interactivity would anyone have had a problem if the guy in question had just shouted "Bollocks" in every scene? For ture interactivity surely it should just be open season for brawling? Oh, I forgot it's adherence to certain rules that allow the majority of people to enjoy an experience. For example not chatting on a mobile phone throughout a film or shouting "sausages" when ever you want.

Personally, I fucking despise audience participation. If I wanted to hear you sing or watch men dress up in womens clothing I'd go to Brighton. If I wanted to hear your opinion regarding the film, I'd ask you in the pub afterwards.

[ContinentalOp]

239. Yeah, city dwellers are assholes.

To be honest, I would have no problem with someone shouting "bollocks." I think it would be rather amusing but that may just be my juvenile anglophila talking. Quite frankly in the F911 audience I was in, bollocks-bloke would have been quickly shouted down. While this theoretical exchange might have temporarily disturbed my enjoyment of the film, in the long run I think it would have added to the memorable experience.

As far as cellphones, singing, and sausage-shouting are concerned I would have to agree with you while pointing out that those complaints are completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. We're not talking about noise disturbances that are uncorrelated to the movie being screened. We're talking about the audience expressing their instinctive emotional reaction to the movie. So where do you draw the line? Laughter above a certain decibel level? Audible sobbing? Perhaps I'm just being overly defensive after watching a comedy tonight, being the only person laughing in certain bits, and somehow feeling guilty for that.

As far as men dressing up in women's clothing are you also advocating a movie theater dress code? You seem to be a little overly sensitive if you're worried about what I'm wearing as we sit in a darkened auditorium together.

[redqueen]

241. Damn... I can't even read this thread... too Cheneying sad!

As was wisely pointed out: It's not CASABLANCA it's F9/11!

[tom_paine]

243. Oh, I don't know that you can paint him as a Bushevik

He might just be a guy who strongly dislikes talking in movies.

Any other indications to make you think he was Bushevik?

[Forkboy]

247. I long for the day some fucker tries that with me

[ronnykmarshall]

248. Consider it a badge of honor.

How did you brother like it?

Better yet, how was dinner????

[greenbriar]

250. Dinner was great

and my brother is now a Hell NO vote for bush.


he still has problems with Kerry, but he asked me on the way home.


do you think bush created 9-11???

I about wrecked my car

[Misunderestimator]

252. I could only get through half the messages in this thread and I'm appalled

that so many people condone this asshole kicking the back of a chair in a movie where literally HALF THE AUDIENCE reacts vocally to many, many scenes. Don't judge until you've been in a full theater with people who are dramatically affected by what they are seeing and hearing. I was THRILLED to be sitting among so many people who were FEELING and expressing those feelings. It did not detract from the movie one iota.

I despise commentary as much as anyone else... actually annoys the shit out of me in a normal movie. THIS IS NOT A NORMAL MOVIE. The audience's reactions are the reason to see it in the theater.

DO NOT GO TO THIS MOVIE IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO HEAR PEOPLE'S REACTIONS. Fair warning.

And BRAVO schoolteacherpam for putting up with all this inane criticism.

[Bridget Burke]

262. "Rectal transport of steel rods"

Who knew that hobby was so popular with DU'ers?

[Misunderestimator]

263. Or as we said in Texas...

"corncob up the ass" ... yeah, who knew? :shrug:

[Pabst Blue Democrat]

254. Sorry

but just because you knew it was coming doesn't make it OK to shout during a movie. Not everyone knew what was coming, and they deserved to see it unfold onscreen the way it was supposed to. Especially a particulary poignant moment like that. Shouting at the screen can throw off the whole vibe of everyone in the theater.

Stuff like this does not help the movie achieve it's prupose.

[Selwynn]

258. I doubt he was republican - he is probably just someone like me...

..who wishes people would shut the fuck up and not be obnoxious and movies I'm trying to watch. :)

[TryingToWarnYou]

259. Kicked your chair? He would have been wearing my large coke...

[Moderator]

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