"What we learned from the Spanish experiment.... uh experience"

[Minstrel Boy]

I missed this. Did anyone here catch this, and could you confirm?

Here's what I'm talking about:

Did Anyone Hear Ex DCIA Robert Gate´s Freudian Slip On CNN Today?

When being interviewed by Wolf Blitzer and talking about the Madrid train Bombing, he said:
"What we learned from the Spanish experiment.... uh experience was".

OMG you should have seen the look on his face! It looked something along the lines of: "OMG, i´m a fucking idiot, i can´t believe i just said that(gulp, gulp)"
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=384045&mpage=1&topic=3&showdate=7/16/04&replies=24&PHPSESSID=ca5f73ffa8a22c554eda1d9d7dd220dd

[ewagner]

1. Damn!

That's almost enough to have me reaching for the tinfoil!

[Literate Tar Heel]

2. ha, that's classic

what did they learn from the Spanish experiment ... uh, experience" anyway?

[Bandit]

3. What the lesson should be if the government blatantly LIES to it's people

they get thrown out on their asses. That was the lesson of the Spanish experiment er experience.

[stellanoir]

4. what we learned from the Spanish

experiment/experience. . .is that governments who lie to their people should be voted out, and elections should proceed as though nothing happened at all.

[Octafish]

5. Robert Gates is an especially greasy turd of the BFEE.

So he slipped up, eh? I look forward to seeing the footage of the Texas A&M president. Back when he was a nobody, Gates helped Poppy in the 1980 October Surprise. After Pruneface's swearing-in, he became DCI Casey's sidestooge, learning the ropes for cooking the intel books from the one-time enabler of the neo-NAZIs. A fine bit of scum, Gates is. I think he looks like a cat rapist. Must be the smirk. His fellow CIA agents hated him for bringing in the "Gates Clones" of like-minded book cookers who knew the world from behind a desk.

The CIA's DI Disgrace

By Robert Parry
July 13, 2004

To understand why the Central Intelligence Agency’s Directorate of Intelligence – or DI – failed so miserably to analyze the evidence on Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction, one has to look back almost a quarter century to when ideological conservatives decided to deconstruct the DI’s tradition of objective analysis.

In the heady days after Ronald Reagan’s victory in 1980, conservatives took dead aim at the CIA’s analytical division for not agreeing with the Right’s preferred assessment that the Soviet Union was a rising superpower with both the capability and intent to overwhelm the United States militarily. The incoming Reagan administration wanted an alarmist assessment of the Soviet Union to justify a major arms buildup.

But the CIA analysts didn’t buy into the Right’s theory of Moscow as a 10-foot tall ogre directing world terrorism, planning a first-strike nuclear attack and provoking conflict in Central America and the Third World to isolate and ultimately defeat the United States. The CIA’s view of the Soviet Union was of a difficult enemy, but one with weaknesses, vulnerabilities and limited ambitions – a nuanced view that would not fit with the new era’s “Evil Empire” rhetoric.

Softened Up

So the DI – at least as it had existed since the CIA’s founding in 1947 – had to be taken apart. The task of softening up the DI fell to a Reagan-Bush transition team of conservatives and neoconservatives.

“That the Reaganites saw their arrival as a hostile takeover was apparent in the most extraordinary transition period of my career,” recalled CIA officer Robert Gates, himself an anti-Soviet hardliner who would become a key assistant to Reagan’s CIA Director William Casey.

CONTINUED ...

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/071304.html

[bobbieinok]

6. in grad school a history professor had a very positive view

of Bismarck.

Basically he admired B because in his opinion B demanded that the diplomats etc sent to other countries report what was really going on regarding popular and official attitudes. The faster way to lose your job was to report what you thought B wanted to hear.

The big contrast the prof drew was to Hitler, who only wanted info that agreed with his views.

[Octafish]

13. Bush never heard of Gen. George S. Patton

Patton said: "If everyone is thinking alike, nobody is doing any thinking."

What the General wanted were loyal staff officers discussing the merits and demerits of any plan or idea, even if proposed by Patton. That way, any inherent problems could be rectified before the battle.

Bush? Bush is such an idiot, he's afraid of coming across as the crazy monkey he is. Just like his number one role-model, Adolf.

[Minstrel Boy]

10. Funny how the same names keep coming up

in America's shadow history.

You'd almost think it was more than a coincidence.

[Octafish]

14. Why the grease on Gates, cat-raping specialist of the BFEE.

DU's own Bev Harris:

VoteHere: This is the company that has no visible means of support. It doesn't seem to sell anything. Its board is heavily infested with defense industry types -- a former CIA director (Robert Gates, now heads George Bush School of Government); it had Admiral Bill Owens, also Vice-Chairman of SAIC and a member of the Defense Policy Board with Perle and Wolfowitz, a very close friend of Cheney; currently headed by former Washington Secretary of State Ralph Munro.

SOURCE:

http://www.libertythink.com/2004_04_25_archives.html


And this is the shocker. A post on an interesting site indicates what the mysterious company with "no visible means of support" Bev referred to above might be doing for cashflow. It says Robert Gates and Poppy were the masterminds behind 9/11.

October Surprise and 9/11 cover-up

Wed Dec 11 21:15:19 2002
64.200.53.73

Lee Hamilton would not properly investigate the October Surprise scandal in 1992. He prevented the arrest of Ronald Reagan, Robert Gates, and George Bush Sr. for TREASON. Mr. Hamilton will not properly investigate 9/11, he will protect the 9/11 masterminds...(Robert Gates and George Bush Sr.)
When the FBI polygraphers ask Mr. Hamilton to submit to a polygraph test, "he will snitch", and numerous corrupt officials will soon be brought to justice..."Thank God"

SOURCE:

http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/12-14-02/discussion.cgi.67.shtml

[htuttle]

11. More on 'Team B'

Some of the members of this so-called 'Team B' at the Pentagon were none other than Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, and Richard Perle:

Vested interests can be ideological as well as institutional. In the mid-1970s, a group of well-known hawks, mainly former policy-makers and retired officers, started clamoring that the Soviets were acquiring a first-strike capability and that the CIA was gravely underestimating their prowess and might. President Gerald Ford, under growing pressure from the right, succumbed to what seemed a modest demand—to let a team of their analysts examine the same data that the CIA had been examining and come up with alternative findings. It was sold as an "exercise" in intelligence analysis, an interesting competition—Team A (the CIA) versus Team B (the critics). Yet once allowed an institutional footing, the Team B players presented their conclusions—and leaked them to friendly reporters—as the truth, which the pro-detente administration was trying to hide.

The Team B report read like one long air-raid siren: The Soviets were spending practically all their GNP on the military; they were perfecting charged-particle beams that could knock our warheads out of the sky; their express policy and practical goal was to fight and win a nuclear war. (One Team B member, former Air Force Intelligence Chief Maj. Gen. George Keegan, had briefed officials on the thousands of hidden Soviet missiles back in the '50s.)

Almost everything in the Team B report turned out to be false. Yet it provided the rallying cry for a movement against detente and arms-control accords. Its spokesmen became outspoken figures of opposition during the Jimmy Carter years (most notably, Paul Nitze and his Committee on the Present Danger) and senior officials in the Ronald Reagan administration and beyond.

Paul Wolfowitz was one of the 10 senior staff members on Team B. Another member of Rumsfeld's intelligence team, Douglas J. Feith, was counsel to Reagan's Assistant Secretary of Defense Richard Perle, a longtime impresario of anti-detente forces. (Perle is still influential as chairman of the advisory Defense Policy Board.)

(much more at link from 2002)
http://slate.msn.com/?id=2073238

[Octafish]

15. Today those turds gave us the illegal Iraq invasion...

... and plenty o' death 'n' destruction to last eternity for tens of thousands of innocent people. Sid states it well:

The Bush Orthodoxy In Shreds
Neocon Secret Leaking Investigation

By Sidney Blumenthal

GUARDIAN, MAY 27: At a conservative thinktank in downtown Washington, and across the Potomac at the Pentagon, FBI agents have begun paying quiet calls on prominent neoconservatives, who are being interviewed in an investigation of potential espionage, according to intelligence sources. Who gave Ahmed Chalabi classified information about the plans of the US government and military?

The Iraqi neocon favourite, tipped to lead his liberated country post-invasion, has been identified by the CIA and Defence Intelligence Agency as an Iranian double-agent, passing secrets to that citadel of the "axis of evil" for decades. All the while the neocons cosseted, promoted and arranged for more than $30m in Pentagon payments to the George Washington manque of Iraq. In return, he fed them a steady diet of disinformation and in the run-up to the war sent various exiles to nine nations' intelligence agencies to spread falsehoods about weapons of mass destruction. If the administration had wanted other material to provide a rationale for invasion, no doubt that would have been fabricated. Either Chalabi perpetrated the greatest con since the Trojan horse, or he was the agent of influence for the most successful intelligence operation conducted by Iran, or both.

The CIA and other US agencies had long ago decided that Chalabi was a charlatan, so their dismissive and correct analysis of his lies prompted their suppression by the Bush White House.

In place of the normal channels of intelligence vetting, a jerry-rigged system was hastily constructed, running from the office of the vice president to the newly created Office of Special Plans inside the Pentagon, staffed by fervent neocons. CIA director George Tenet, possessed with the survival instinct of the inveterate staffer, ceased protecting the sanctity of his agency and cast in his lot. Secretary of state Colin Powell, resistant internally but overcome, decided to become the most ardent champion, unveiling a series of neatly manufactured lies before the UN.

Last week, Powell declared "it turned out that the sourcing was inaccurate and wrong and, in some cases, deliberately misleading. And for that I'm disappointed, and I regret it". But who had "deliberately" misled him? He did not say. Now the FBI is investigating espionage, fraud and, by implication, treason.

CONTINUED ...

http://www.coastalpost.com/04/07/10.htm

[RedEagle]

12. And Now Gate Is On The BOD of VoteHere....

...the company that wants it's electronic verification scheme for voting in every machine in the country.

This company is as connected to the powers that be as any other.

Gates, former CIA head appointed by George H.W. Bush; involved in Iran Contra and who knows what else.

[Octafish]

16. Gates is Putin's brain with Bush's soul.

He's a cold-hearted, world-class criminal mastermind. Gates goes where the money is. Since the OPEC oil shock of the 1970s, he accepts petrodollars:

Venezuela Rejects U.S. Ruling on Alleged PDVSA Expropriation of Assets from CIA-linked Firm

Thursday, Jul 15, 2004
By: Martin Sanchez
Venezuelanalysis.com

Caracas, July 15 (Venezuelanalysis.com).- Venezuelan government officials reacted to a decision by a U.S. government agency which ruled that the Venezuelan state oil company PDVSA had "expropriated" assets belonging to Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC), a firm based in San Diego.

On Monday, the United States Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC), a U.S. government agency established to oversee the political risks of U.S. investments in foreign countries, issued a ruling accepting SAIC's allegations of PDVSA's "expropriation" of its assets and awarded the firm compensation from the U.S. government for a not yet determined amount of dollars.

SAIC has strong ties to the Pentagon, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and National Security Agency (NSA), as many former defense and intelligence officials serve in its board of directors, and much of its yearly three billion dollars earnings come from defense and intelligence contracts with the U.S. government.

Venezuela is the world's fifth-largest oil exporter and its state owned company PDVSA provides about 14% of U.S. oil imports.

SNIP...

Venezuelan government officials believe SAIC was using INTESA for espionage purposes in Venezuela due to its strong ties to the Pentagon, the CIA and the NSA. Its current and past board of directors include former NSA president Bobby Inman, former Defense Secretary Melvin Laird, former head of the research and development division of the Pentagon Donald Hicks, ex-Secretary of Defense William Perry, ex-CIA Director John Deutsch, and ex-CIA director Robert Gates. William B. Black Jr. served at Assistant Vice President at SAIC for three years after retiring from the NSA in 1997. Black later returned to the NSA as deputy director in 2000.

CONTINUED NASTINESS...

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news.php?newsno=1310

[MisterP]

17. I think the "Committee on the Clear and Present Danger"

also helped inflate fear of the Soviets; they made the Missile Gap fracas look piddling.

[Octafish]

18. Interesting stuff. Dulles pumped up the Commie threat, too...

Thanks for the heads-up, MisterP! That's a committee full of VIPs with defense-industry-laden stock portfolios. No wonder they fanned the flames under Congress -- it's the War Party way.

Public Education and Its Discontents

EXCERPT...

Thus, part of the sense of failure stemmed from criticism of attempts to adapt the school to what were referred to as the "new learners." A more important part of the sense of failure derived from America's changed role in the world. No longer able to retreat into isolationism, the U. S. now confronted the Soviet Union for ideological and technological domination of the globe, seeking to win the space and weapons races without destroying the globe in the process. Wrote the Committee on the Clear and Present Danger, "we need not only trained men but also the most modern weapons....This means we need both a reservoir of trained men and a continuing advance on every scientific and technical front." "It is men that count," said James B. Conant, former President of Harvard and critic of American high schools.

The most vocal commentator on the need for manpower was Admiral Hyman G. Rickover, widely credited with the development of America's nuclear navy. "Let us never forget," said Rickover," that there can be no second place in a contest with Russia and that there will be no second chance if we lose." Armed with statistics from Allen Dulles, head of the CIA, Rickover stumped the country and harangued congressmen on the need for more scientists, engineers and mathematicians. The Russians, Dulles' statistics allegedly showed, were outstripping us in these vital areas.

SOURCE:

http://www.america-tomorrow.com/ati/gb71221.htm

[soothsayer]

7. Ah, I KNEW that was either the CIA or Moussad

I was thrilled when it backfired on them, got their boy voted out. I knew right then and there that we would NOT see a "terrorist" strike here prior to election day. That 'sparkle' (as the spies call it---like when pooty poot blew up those moscow apt buildings and blamed terrorists) ain't gonna' help dumbya.

[Literate Tar Heel]

8. well, that's why I was wondering

what he said after that ... what he said they had learned from the "experiment ... uh, experience" and in what context it came up because I didn't see the interview ... I don't think anyone actually answered that though

[soothsayer]

9. yeah, it doesn't give that info at the link, either

Would be useful to know, I agree