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the ether Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 12:01 AM
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Rep. Bob Ney - Partisan Hack Strikes Again Working on Coup 2004
Rep. Bob Ney - Partisan Hack Strikes Again Working on Coup 2004



Ney Rebuffs Dean’s Push for Paper Trail

By Amy Keller

Roll Call

July 15, 2004



Rep. Bob Ney (R-Ohio) on Tuesday rejected a demand by former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean (D) for voter-verified paper-trail balloting, telling the former Democratic presidential candidate that “left-wing groups” like America Coming Together and Dean’s Democracy for America were exploiting the issue to inflame their supporters and raise money.

In a statement that was among the clearest indications yet of Ney’s opposition to a mandated paper trail for ballots, the Ohio Congressman wrote, “You should realize that if your demands to retrofit all electronic voting machines with printers before November, 2004, were met, it would ensure an electoral meltdown that would make our last presidential election look orderly by comparison.”

Ney — who chairs the House Administration Committee, which has oversight of election-related issues — also told Dean in a letter that the arguments of paper-trail proponents “can be boiled down to one central assertion, i.e., that paper ballots are the only way to ensure an accurate election.”

Ney labeled such claims as reckless and “unsupported by the facts.”

“You should recall that the ballots cast in Florida in November 2000 were cast on paper,” Ney argued. “Furthermore, every documented episode of election fraud in our nation’s history has been perpetrated through the manipulation of paper ballots.”

In his June 22 letter to Ney and other Members of Congress, Dean stated that because some voting machines do not allow voters to verify their choices, “any flaws in the machine or software will never be caught — and no recount will be possible.”

Referring to the voting machine manufacturer Diebold, Dean noted that the “head of the largest e-voting machine company — who is a major contributor to George Bush and has promised to deliver Ohio to him — asks that we just trust him.”

Just last week, Diebold’s board of directors amended its corporate ethics policy to prohibit its top executives from making political donations of any kind.

Diebold spokesman Mike Jacobsen told The Associated Press that neither Diebold nor its chairman, Walden O’Dell, had made any political contributions since October 2003 and that O’Dell had personally spearheaded the policy change.

In his response to Dean, Ney added that the Election Assistance Commission and the National Institute of Standards and Technology were examining issues related to the security of electronic voting.

“That is the appropriate way to handle this issue, not by making uninformed and premature legislative decisions based on misinformation and hysteria,” Ney wrote.



http://www.rollcall.com/pub/50_7/news/6256-1.html









ES&S Official Says "Touchscreen Voting Easiliy MANIPULATED!"

http://www.bentoncourier.com/articles/2004/06/25/news/46tnews.txt
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 12:08 AM
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1. is the man just stupid
“You should recall that the ballots cast in Florida in November 2000 were cast on paper,” Ney argued. “Furthermore, every documented episode of election fraud in our nation’s history has been perpetrated through the manipulation of paper ballots.”



the name would be printed on receipt. receipt goes in a box. if there needs to be a recount can easily read Kerry or Bush, not a tough one like pregnant hanging dented chads. what a dumbass
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:22 AM
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9. Punchcards aren't paper ballots. They' cardboard for machines to read,
Punchcards aren't paper ballots. They're cardboard for machines to read.

Florida illustrates why we should use ballots intended for PEOPLE to read.

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Ohio Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 12:09 AM
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2. Ney is such an asshole!
Ohio redistricted, to the repugs' favor I'm sure, but now I have Ted Strickland for my rep. For that, I'm thankful. Ney is a stupid prick.

Ken Blackwell, our Sec. of State, today ruled that electronic voting machines won't be used in Ohio this year. Ney is pushing a system his own state won't use. What an asshole!
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suegeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:37 AM
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10. Freedom Fries Bob
As Bugs Bunny would say: What a maroon.

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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 12:12 AM
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3. What an idiot!
<In a statement that was among the clearest indications yet of Ney’s opposition to a mandated paper trail for ballots, the Ohio Congressman wrote, “You should realize that if your demands to retrofit all electronic voting machines with printers before November, 2004, were met, it would ensure an electoral meltdown that would make our last presidential election look orderly by comparison.>

As my boss would say to me, had I ever made a statement like that to him, "So, whose problem is that, anyway? Is that MY problem? Or is that YOUR problem?"

Way to take ownership of a colossal screwup!

Besides, I don't think the Repug base is with him on this one. I would bet there are quite a few who are as concerned as Dean (albeit holding their noses at the same time) is about the lack of verification of ballots.
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Wabbajack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 12:50 AM
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7. "Besides, I don't think the Repug base is with him on this one"
Why wouldn't they be? If the vote is fixed in their favor wouldn't that please them?
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:53 AM
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13. I guess I'm just going by the ones I know.
I honestly don't think most of them are out to knowingly steal the election (the central leadership is a different story).

I suppose I could be wrong, as my evidence is purely anecdotal.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 12:12 AM
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4. And I though he was going to be rational about this one.
Fool me once...shame on me...fool me...don't get fooled again!

I should have known better.
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GoBucksBeatBush Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 12:20 AM
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5. Wally O'Dell is a lying sack of shit...
b/c HE may no longer be giving $$ to republinazis, but his wife gave the following, in DECEMBER (which by my rudimentary calender skills seems to come after October)...

O'DELL, PATRICIA M
COLUMBUS,OH 43221
HOMEMAKER/HOMEMAKER
12/31/2003
$5,000
CARE PAC


not sure exactly what CARE PAC is, but i'll go out on a limb here and says it's not going to be on the correct side.


fucker. i can't stand that he's also one of the ohio state board of regents.

bastard voted to raise tuition. again.


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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 12:21 AM
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6. Now THAT'S a great quote
“That is the appropriate way to handle this issue, not by making uninformed and premature legislative decisions based on misinformation and hysteria,”

Ummm... sounds like the Patriot Act to me...

The RW has been planning the '04 coup for some time now. At least since 9/11.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:37 AM
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11. Any state which ordered Diebold machines can still use optical
Any state which ordered Diebold machines can still use optical scan ballots instead of the Diebold machines.

Better to absorb losses on having paid Diebold than to make matters worse by letting Diebold rig the election.
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Bullshot Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:39 AM
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12. Ney was the same dipshit
who steered our country in the right direction by slamming the French, by introducing that resolution in the House to change the name of French fries to freedom fries, etc.

He's also divorced in what was a real ugly settlement.

Another example of Republicans upholding this nation's standards.
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the ether Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 06:34 PM
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14. CASE Ohio Takes Issue with NEY




CASE wants Ney out - take a look.


http://members.ezsg.com/phil@ezsg.com/CASE/BobNey/Index_BobNey.html
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