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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 08:31 AM
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peace rally at the DNC ?
Edited on Sat Jul-17-04 08:37 AM by G_j
Since the peace movement has essentially been 'shut out', it is getting hard to see why a presence 'outside' is not justified.


thoughts?

edit: please note I said "justified" if it is wise strategy is a different issue.
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sunny5555 Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:06 AM
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1. The peace movement failed.
Demonstrations have failed in the past and were worthless against Bush. In the UK, Spain, Italy, and Australia there were massive demonstrations with no success.
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:30 AM
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2. Well, you're just a ray of sunshine
Here you are again attacking what everyone says. Do you have anything of substance to add to the debate?
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:47 AM
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8. Thank you
I protest every week in front of the court house, the tide has turned we get so many more positive remarks, people tell me often how glad they are that I have the nerve to do it. Lately the most negative remarks come from young men, that if they really felt that this war was good would have enlisted and wouldn't be here to make witty comments like "get a job","blow 'em all up". and of course the most constructive "F--- You"
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:35 AM
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3. I completely disagree
they were very successful in demonstrating that people around the world are sick of war and want to live together in peace.
very positive !!!!
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:38 AM
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6. And they helped to bring down right-wing governments
in Spain and Italy
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:35 AM
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4. why not?
Thank God Hill got to speak!! lol
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:36 AM
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5. I think Sharpton promised to speak inside or out.
:kick:
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:42 AM
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7. Kucinich
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/07/14/1410234

<snip>

AMY GOODMAN: Will you stand with people outside the Convention in Boston who are protesting war, protesting the vice-presidential and presidential democratic nominees who both supported the invasion?

REP. DENNIS KUCINICH: I'll be participating in events inside and outside the Convention and I expect to, you know, a number of the people who will be there are people I've urged to come. Again, the Democratic Party has to have enough resilience to be able to create challenges such as we brought to the Platform Committee. At the same time, be able to countenance challenges at the Convention, both inside and outside. But I also think that, you know, we have to ask, do we want another four years of George Bush? And-- or his policies. And I think that we can find a different direction with John Kerry. It's something that I'm going to work with Senator Kerry on to achieve. And at the same time, I think that there are Americans who realize that not only the war, but there are so many policies that we have to work for change and I'm going to keep working within the Democratic Party. Again, it is not that easy to do, as we saw in Miami. But I think that we also have seen in state after state, eight states where they adopted language supporting a department of peace, that there is a movement inside the party, for a more progressive position. And so if we don't get what we want today, it doesn't mean that we quit and walk away. It means that we continue our efforts until we finally win.

AMY GOODMAN: Do you get to address the Convention?

REP. DENNIS KUCINICH: Yes.

AMY GOODMAN: Will you be criticizing its stance on the invasion?

REP. DENNIS KUCINICH: Yes.


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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:50 AM
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9. UFPJ is planning a peace rally. So are the anarchists.
http://www.infoshop.org/calendar.html

Boston - Convergence Against The Democratic National Convention
July 26-29, 2004

In late July, the Democratic National Convention will descend upon Boston. With their corporate vanguard will come street closures, mass arrests, blockades, walls, militarized police, and a clear demonstration of force by henchmen of capitalism. Those of us here, who are ignored by the mathematics of power, are preparing to resist this invasion. For months now, we have been working feverishly to setup the logistics for this carnival of resistance. Based upon discussions during the consulta held in early February, we are proposing a three-pronged plan of action for the convergence.

The first leg will be an open-air bazaar and concert. The underlining purpose of this public event will be to demonstrate that corporations do not hold a monopoly on entertainment, and that participation is more empowering than being a spectator. We can organize and celebrate without the influences of profit.

The second aspect will be a diverse convergence center that will also support independent media resources, medical aid, food not bombs and many other community services.

The final prong is a call for massive decentralized actions in opposition to the DNC. This format will not only allow for a full spectrum of tactics and messages, but also serves as the most logical advancement in a continuing evolution of ideas and strategies for direct action.

For those who come aid in the defense of Boston, we will welcome you will open and arms, as we join together in resistance and celebration.

In solidarity and struggle,
The Bl(A)ck Tea Society

http://blackteasociety.org
nodnc04@hush.com

To join an announcement only list, send an email to: dnc2004-subscribe@lists.riseup.net

Contact Name: Bl(A)ck Tea Society
Contact Address: nodnc04@hush.com

http://www.infoshop.org/calendar.html
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