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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 11:37 AM
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From 1997-evidence of the systemic nature of US torture and abuse
Faced with a FOIA lawsuit by The Baltimore Sun in 1997, the CIA released what is known as the KUBARK Interrogation Manual. This archived article from Parascope has a transcript of that secret document.

This well researched and documented article also contains a lot of hidden history, which further documents the systemic US torture and abuse network's history imho.

The CIA's Secret Manual on Coercive Questioning (from 1997)
http://web.archive.org/web/20011031152042/www.parascope.com/articles/0397/kubarkin.htm
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 11:46 AM
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1. thanks
nt
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 11:55 AM
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3. Has your book been published, seventhson?
Btw, I've been collecting what used to be referred to as whack conspiracy theory, but is now properly called evidence and documentation, for a lifetime.
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 04:57 PM
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13. thanks for asking ---
unfortunately no.

my coauthors/translators had some serious illness and surgery so we have been held up. but it is still coming.

in the meantime i have been reading primo levy AND others - always rereading "DER FUEHRER" by Konrad Heiden to keep me up to date on the latest Bush tactics (even though it was written in 1944 it is still the definitve Bushzi playbook)

I am hoping this fall but to soon to be sure. Probably in the spring.

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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 05:34 PM
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15. I want to read it when you get it out. Shalom.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 11:55 AM
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2. CIA Publishing Company has some interesting titles.
America's Amnesia

Date Posted: Thursday, July 15, 2004
By Matthew Rothschild

When Veronica de Negri first saw the pictures from Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, she happened to be writing her testimony for the Chilean commission investigating human rights abuses during the regime of Augusto Pinochet.

SNIP...

"This is an open secret," says Alex Taylor, an informal spokesperson for the Torture Abolition and Survivors Support Coalition International, which Sister Dianna Ortiz, a victim of Guatemalan torture herself, helped found. "It has been happening for decades. The American public needs to educate itself about how widespread it's been. Since the 1950s, the United States has used torture as policy first in the war against communism and now in the war against terrorism."

SNIP...

William Blum, author of Rogue State, confirms the role of the U.S. military. "From the 1960s through the 1980s, Guatemalan security forces, notably the Army unit called G-2, routinely tortured 'subversives,' " he writes. "The CIA advised, armed, and equipped the G-2, which maintained a web of torture centers."

Blum also notes in that book that some of the more lurid activities at Abu Ghraib and in Afghanistan were not new. "At the U.S. Navy's schools in San Diego and Maine during the 1960s and 1970s, students were supposedly learning about methods of 'survival, evasion, resistance, and escape' which they could use," he writes. "A former student, Navy pilot Lieutenant Wendell Richard Young, claimed . . . that students were tortured into . . . masturbating before guards, and, on one occasion, engaging in sex with an instructor."

SNIP...

The second manual, entitled "CIA, Human Resource Exploitation Manual-1983," repeated passages verbatim from the first one and instructed interrogators "to create unpleasant or intolerable situations, to disrupt patterns of time, space, and sensory perception"--tactics that U.S. personnel used in Iraq and Afghanistan.

(These manuals are available at the National Security Archive website, www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/.)

CONTINUED...

http://www.masnet.org/articleinterest.asp?id=1423
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 12:01 PM
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4. Excerpts from "CIA, Human Resource Exploitation Manual - 1983"
AKA "CIA Torture Manual" that the Contra terrorists Pruneface called "The moral equivalent of our Founding Fathers" used on innocent men, women and children (originally from Harper's):

Psychological Torture, CIA-Style

From the "Human Resource Exploitation Training Manual--1983," a handbook written by the Central Intelligence Agency and used during the early 80's to teach Latin American security forces how to extract information from prisoners. The manual was obtained in January through a Freedom of Information Act request filed by the Baltimore Sun as part of an investigation of the CIA's involvement in Honduras. In 1985, the CIA renounced the use of coercive interrogation techniques (sic) and amended the manual accordingly; in the copy obtained by the Sun, the original 1983 text is legible beneath the agency's handwritten revisions and deletion marks.


THEORY OF COERCION

The purpose of all coercive techniques is to induce psychological regression in the subject by bringing a superior outside force to bear on his will to resist. Regression is basically a loss of autonomy, a reversion to an earlier behavioral level. As the subject regresses, his learned personality traits fall away in reverse chronological order. He begins to lose the capacity to carry out the highest creative activities, to deal with complex situations, or to cope with stressful interpersonal relationships or repeated frustrations.

COERCIVE TECHNIQUES

Arrest

The manner and timing of the subjects arrest should be planned to achieve surprise and the maximum amount of mental discomfort. He should therefore be arrested at a moment when he least expects it and when his mental and physical resistance are at their lowest--ideally, in the early hours of the morning. When arrested at this time, most subjects experience intense feelings of shock, insecurity, and psychological stress, and have great difficulty adjusting to the situation.

Detention

A person's sense of identity depends upon the continuity in his surroundings, habits, appearance, relations with others, etc. Detention permits the questioner to cut through these links and throw the subject back upon his own unaided internal resources. Detention should be planned to enhance the subject's feelings of being cut off from anything known and reassuring.

Deprivation of Sensory Stimuli

Solitary confinement acts on most persons as a powerful stress. The symptoms most commonly produced by solitary confinement are superstition, intense love of any other living thing, perceiving inanimate objects as alive, hallucinations, and delusions.

CONTINUED...

http://www.radio4all.org/crackcia/torture.htm

Bush is a CROOK! The BFEE is a NAZI organization.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 12:06 PM
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5. Interesting, the manual's section on pain clearly states
Intense pain is quite likely to produce false confessions, concocted as a means of escaping from distress. A time-consuming delay results, while investigation is conducted and the admissions are proven untrue. During this respite the interrogatee can pull himself together. He may even use the time to think up new, more complex "admissions" that take still longer to disprove. KUBARK is especially vulnerable to such tactics because the interrogation is conducted for the sake of information and not for police purposes.

94

If an interrogatee is caused to suffer pain rather late in the interrogation process and after other tactics have failed, he is almost certain to conclude that the interrogator is becoming desperate. He may then decide that if he can just hold out against this final assault, he will win the struggle and his freedom. And he is likely to be right. Interrogatees who have withstood pain are more difficult to handle by other methods. The effect has been not to repress the subject but to restore his confidence and maturity.

=======================
Doesn't this fly in the face of the admin's position that torture/abuse is necessary to obtain information to protect our nation and troops? This manual appears to be against the very measures used at Abu Garief.

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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 12:26 PM
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6. Great find Thanks!
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 12:44 PM
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7. I believe that there is evidence of a criminal cult within the US national
security community that is/has been heavily influenced by Col. Michael Aquino, who gave spiritual advice and religious instruction to GI's and others as a Church of Satan priest (when off-duty from his national security jobs in US Army MI, PSYOPS and the Defense Intelligence Agency).

While listed as active duty in 1975 Col. Michael Aquino replaced/absorbed the Church of Satan into his own cult/religion The Temple of Set.

Michael Aquino and his wife, Lillith, were investigated but not arrested as part of The Presidio molestation case.

Michael Aquino is frequently mentioned in the Franklin Credit callboy scandal.

Michael Aquino was a big part of MH CHAOS, the illegal suppression of US political dissidents in the 60's-70's.

When in Germany Aquino performed a ritual alledgely invoking Nazi SS chief Heinrich Himmler's spirit, Aquino admires Nazis and the German Romanticism occult movements/connections that many Nazis belonged to.

I think there is a criminal cult within US national security today that has been influenced by Col. Aquino.

The horrific crimes committed by cult operatives are known to law-enforcement, which has been prevented from prosecution by the abuse of the National Security classification system.

Other professions are aware of this influence too.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 01:20 PM
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9. Phoenix Project documents
"Internal Security in South Vietnam - Phoenix"

The Vietnamese finally got behind Phoenix with the Tet Offensive of February 1968. A directive (No. 89-Th.T/VP/M) had been prepared by the Prime Minister on 20 December 1967, and following the first Tet Offensive it was signed by Dang Van Minh on 5 March 1968. As noted, many VCI were captured or killed by the ICEX/Phoenix apparatus during this general uprising, including many of President Nguyen Van Thieu's political opponents.

After the dust had settled, In November 1968, CORDS Director William Colby launched his Accelerated Pacification Campaign, the centerpiece of Nixon and Kissinger's "Vietnamization" policy, in which responsibility for the counterinsurgency was ostensibly passed to the Republic of Vietnam. Accelerated Pacification was subdivided into military security (combating main force operations), territorial security (organizing the Vietnamese locally to fight VC guerrillas), and political security, which meant Phoenix, the CIA's two-track program to 1) destroy the VCI and 2) ensure the political stability of the Thieu regime by insulating him from the backlash of his repressive policies. The Accelerated Pacification purpose of Phoenix was to weaken the link between the people and the VCI, while the political Phoenix was designed to exploit that link.

Concurrent with Accelerated Pacification, Phoenix advisers were assigned a nationwide quota of 1,800 VCI neutralizations a month, which were tabulated through the Viet Cong Infrastructure Information System. VCIIS compiled information gathered from all US, Republic of Vietnam, and Free World units on VCI boundaries, locations, organizational structures, personalities, and activities. (In January 1969, VCIIS was renamed the Phung Hoang Management Information System. Phung Hoang was how the South Vietnamese referred to their facet of the CIA's Phoenix Program.)

With the advent of Accelerated Pacification and Vietnamization, and the acceptance of the Phoenix Program by the Vietnamese, two things happened. First, the CIA decided to withdraw its programs from the Phoenix, and formally did so in June 1969, although anyone the CIA could use as a penetration agent into the upper echelons of the VCI was spun out of the Phoenix Program and handed over to the CIA. The CIA created a special unit of analysts under the management of CIA officer George Weisz specifically for this purpose, and thus Phoenix became a massive screening operation for the CIA. Second, the Phoenix Program went public in August 1969, and in October the Phoenix Directorate launched its Popular Information Program, a psychological warfare campaign to recruit informants, make Phoenix seem popular, and attack the VCI, all under the banner of "Protecting the People from Terrorism." Psychological warfare operations in support of Phoenix were such a potent weapon that in August 1970, the Pentagon described Phoenix as its "number one Psyops priority."

Peace negotiations were in process, however, and despite the propaganda, at the local level district and village chiefs were reluctant to target and kill members of the VCI, because, if a settlement was reached with the Provisional Revolutionary Government (which had been formed in June 1969 to represent the Communists in the peace negotiations), the VCI would soon have legal status. Thus, the CIA used Phoenix to ensure the political stability of the Thieu regime by insulating him from the backlash of his repressive policies, and his reluctance to negotiate in good faith with the Communists.
more
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:gdsidnjq30IJ:www.thememoryhole.org/phoenix/internal-security.htm+Operation+phoenix&hl=en

"Lieutenant Colonel Michael Aquino

Mr. Aquino is, as Jonathan Vankin puts it with major understatement in Conspiracies, Cover-ups, and Crimes, "an odd bird with thought-provoking connections." A former member of the Church of Satan, he even freaked out Anton LaVey so much that he wisely booted his ass out. That was hardly a setback for Aquino, who formed his more secretive (and more disturbingly serious) Temple of Set soon after. Perhaps what disturbed LaVey so much was Aquino's fixation on Nazism, an obsession so great that he carried out a black magic ceremony at Wewelsburg Castle, which Himmler was using as a home base for a planned mystical order. Aquino soon became part of conspiracy lore when he became the center of a child molestation investigation at a military day care center at San Francisco's Presidio (which is now, suspiciously enough, run by former KGB-man and current NWO cheerleader Mikhail Gorbachev.)

Officially, the investigation failed to turn up any evidence that he or his "Temple" was involved in child molestation, and he sued the city for defamation of character. The reality is the investigation turned up lots of evidence, and there is little doubt of his guilt by many who have actually looked into it. So then, why were no charges filed against him?

To answer that question, another question has to be asked: what the hell is a Satanic priest doing at a military base in the first place, to even be accused of the crimes alleged? Despite Pentagon denials of him even being in the Army when the Presidio scandal hit, it turns out that Mr. Aquino had Top Secret security clearance, and had been a psychological warfare specialist for military intelligence at least since the time of the Vietnam War. In fact, he was co-author of a report titled "From PSYOP to Mindwar: The Psychology of Victory", which advocates the usage of Electromagnetic fields, ionized air, and ELF waves to control mass populations. Of course, this is but a hint of his influence: according to The Franklin Coverup, by John DeCamp, he is one of the masterminds of Project Monarch, a mind kontrol operation that involves satanic cults and brainwashing of children. In fact, it is very likely that whatever was going on at Presidio is precisely linked to this operation."
http://altreligion.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.konformist.com/2001/aquino.htm
http://www.konformist.com/botm/volume01/botm0797.htm
http://altreligion.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.xeper.org/maquino/
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 01:01 PM
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8. driving the subject into a child-like mental state
http://web.archive.org/web/20010909114438/
This strategy is the basis of the more severe methods in the manual. Recommended for use on "resistant sources," the coercive tactics focus a psychological attack with the goal of driving the subject into a child-like mental state:


It is a fundamental hypothesis of this handbook
that these techniques... are in essence methods
of inducing regression of the personality to
whatever earlier and weaker level is required
for the dissolution of resistance and the
inculcation of dependence. All of the techniques
employed to break through an interrogation
roadblock, the entire spectrum from simple
isolation to hypnosis and narcosis, are
essentially ways of speeding up the process of
regression. As the interrogatee slips back from
maturity toward a more infantile state, his
learned or structured personality traits fall
away in a reversed chronological order, so that
the characteristics most recently acquired --
which are also the characteristics drawn upon by
the interrogatee in his own defense -- are the
first to go. As Gill and Brenman have pointed
out, regression is basically a loss of autonomy.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010909114438/www.parascope.com/articles/0397/kubark02.htm
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 02:49 PM
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10. "From PSYOP to Mindwar"- be afraid
Thanks Minstrel Boy


"From PSYOP to Mindwar: The Psychology of Victory" is a military paper on psychological warfare, written by Lt. Col. Michael Aquino and Col. Paul E. Vallely in 1980. It was sent, writes Aquino, "to various governmental offices, agencies, commands and publications involved or interested in PSYOP." I think it bears a close read now, because it describes a top-down psychological conditioning Americans may find familiar. And it's not insignificant to note that co-author Vallely is now senior military analyst for FOX News.

Who is Aquino? A since-retired Lieutenant Colonel, Military Intelligence, and special-forces officer. Also, for many years, an avowed Satanist, and founder of the "Temple of Set." Aquino's name frequently appears in ritual child abuse cases which appear to have military-intelligence sanction or protection - the Franklin and Presidio scandals, for instance (A good introduction to Aquino and this subject is "Uncle Sam Wants Your Children": http://davesweb.cnchost.com/pedo3.html - part three of "The Pedophocracy," which begins here: http://davesweb.cnchost.com/pedo1.html ). Aquino has never been convicted, so is either innocent or well protected.

And who is Vallely? "The senior military analyst for FOX News Channel and guest on many nationally syndicated radio talk shows, Paul E. Vallely retired in 1991 from the U.S. Army as Deputy Commanding General, U.S. Army, and Pacific in Honolulu, Hawaii."
http://www.kepplerassociates.com/speakers/vallelypaul.a...

Aquino has said that "assorted cranks tried to make a public issue out of this paper just because of its catchy title.... That paper had no connection to MK-Ultra, nor Paperclip, nor any crazy Nazi experiments."

Even if one believes Aquino, and dismisses suggestion that he is part of covert-sanctioned research into occult mind control (another CIA interest inherited from the Nazi doctors rescued by Project Paperclip), the implications of "Mindwar" are fairly chilling. And rather familiar, I should think, to anyone living through the Bush years.

Here's a .pdf of "From Psyop to Mindwar" which Aquino has posted, with a new introduction, on his "Temple of Set" website:
http://www.xeper.org/maquino/nm/MindWar.pdf

Some excerpts:


"MindWar...is, in fact, the strategy to which tactical warfare must conform if it is to achieve maximum effectiveness. The MindWar scenario must be preeminent in the mind of the commander and must be the principal factor in his every field decision. Otherwise he sacrifices measures which actually contribute to winning the war to measures of immediate, tangible satisfaction. (Consider the rational for 'body counts' in Vietnam).

...

"In its strategic context, MindWar must reach out to friends, enemies, and neutrals alike across the globe -- neither through primitive "battlefield" leaflets and loudspeakers of PSYOP nor through the weak, imprecise, and narrow effort of psychotronics - but through the media possessed by the United States which have the capabilities to reach virtually all people on the face of the Earth. These media are, of course, the electronic media -- television and radio. State of the art developments in satellite communication, video recording techniques, and laser and optical transmission of broadcasts made possible a penetration of the minds of the worlds such as would have been inconceivable just a few years ago. Like the sword Excalibur, we have but to reach out and seize this tool; and it can transform the world for us if we have the courage and the integrity to civilization with it. If we do not accept Excalibur, then we relinquish our ability to inspire foreign cultures with our morality. If they then desire moralities unsatisfactory to us, we have no choice but to fight them on a more brutish level.

...

"Unlike PSYOP, MindWar has nothing to do with deception or even with 'selected' -- and therefore misleading -- truth. Rather it states a whole truth that, if it does not now exist, will be forced into existence by the will of the United States. The examples of Kennedy's ultimatum to Khrushchev during the Cuban Missile Crisis and Hitler's stance at Munich might be cited. A MindWar message does not have to fit conditions of abstract credibility as do PSYOP there; its source makes it credible. As Livy once said: 'The terror of the Roman name will be such that the world shall know that, once a Roman army had laid siege to a city, nothing will move it -- not the rigors or winter nor the weariness of months and years -- that it knows no end but victory and is ready, in a swift and sudden stroke will not serve, to preserve until that victory is achieved.'

...

"For the mind to believe in its own decisions, it must feel that it made those decisions without coercion. Coercive measures used by the operative, consequently, must not be detectable by ordinary means. There is no need to resort to mind-weakening drugs such as those explored by the CIA; in fact the exposure of a single such method would do unacceptable damage to MindWar's reputation for truth. Existing PSYOP identifies purely-sociological factors which suggest appropriate idioms for messages. Doctrine in this area is highly developed, and the task is basically one of assembling and maintaining individuals and teams with enough expertise and experience to apply the doctrine effectively. This, however, is only the sociological dimension of target receptiveness measures. There are some purely natural conditions under which minds may become more or less receptive to ideas, and MindWar should take full advantage of such phenomena as atmospheric electromagnetic activity (12), air ionization (13), and extremely low frequency waves (14).


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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 02:57 PM
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11. Aw, c'mon! It's just innocent fratboy hazing.
Amurkans don't never torture or even harm defenseless people. They're just protecting our "Vital National(ist) Interest$$" against those durn people what hate us because we got wide-screen TV's to watch wrasslin' on.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 04:52 PM
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12. More facts, dates and names related to US torture and abuse network
Edited on Sat Jul-17-04 05:07 PM by bobthedrummer
There is an incredible, but true, record of planning and technique available to those who know where to look.

Truth Serums and Torture (2002)
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2002/060402a.html

The Mind Has No Firewall (US Army 1998)
http://www.adacomp.net/~mcherney/thomas.html

Hypnosis online (NSA 2000)
http://www.kimsoft.com/2000/nsa-psy.htm

ESP Spies/Remote Viewers

STAR GATE is privatized: SAIC is hiring psychics
http://www.lfr.org/csl/index.shtml

STAR GATE's Dr. Edwin C. May Ph.D. :scared:
http://www.parapsych.org/members/e_c_may.html

Mind control

CIA gets court order to allow journalist access to MK ULTRA mind control operational files not destroyed by Richard McGarrah Helms (2002)
http://www.rcfp.org/news/2002/0819kellyv.html

Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and the Manchurian Candidate
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/FAR405A.html



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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 05:31 PM
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14. US torture and abuse survivors and activists resource links
School of the Americas Watch
http://www.soaw.org/new/

Cheryl Welsh's website
http://www.mindjustice.org

Frank Olson Project
http://www.frankolsonproject.org/

ACHES/MC
http://www.aches-mc.org/

Office of Human Radiation Experiments
http://tis.eh.doe.gov/ohre/index.html

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 05:41 PM
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16. Children being trafficked into Ireland
01/08/03

Children being trafficked into Ireland, report claims
By John Breslin
CHILDREN are being imported against their will via Britain into Ireland, a leading global advocacy group warned yesterday. Children’s charity UNICEF, which carried out a major investigation into child trafficking in to Britain, said it is believed minors are passing through the country on the way to the Dublin.

The charity has identified hundreds of known cases where children are trafficked in to Britain, some of whom are used as prostitutes. Unicef describes this as the tip of the iceberg.

“People do go through Britain and end up in Dublin,” a UNICEF spokeswoman said.

The charity’s hard-hitting report, Stop The Traffic, claimed that thousands may be trafficked to Britain every year, mainly from West Africa, Eastern Europe and Asia.

The scale of the problem is hidden by the nature of the crime and by a lack of police statistics, the report claims.

Gardaí last year identified no more than six suspected cases of children being trafficked in to the State against their will. These children were taken in to the care of the East Coast Area Health Board.

Nearly 900 children were, however, referred to the board after arriving here unaccompanied. The majority, around 500, are Nigerian and range in age from four months to 17 years. Just over 500 were placed with family members while the others were taken in to care.

Refugee groups have anecdotal evidence that some children have entered the State and have simply disappeared from the asylum process.

UNICEF in Britain said it has identified a failure to differentiate between unaccompanied minors and those children who are being trafficked for exploitation.

David Bull, executive director of Unicef UK, said: “Trafficking is a serious abuse of child rights and is seen as less risky than trafficking drugs.”

Child trafficking was a “global crisis” and one of the fastest growing criminal activities, with about 1.2 million being trafficked worldwide each year, he said. Traffickers use rape, beatings, voodoo and threats of violence against family members to control and intimidate the children.

Trafficking should not be confused with people smuggling, which takes place with the consent of the travellers, the report advises. Child trafficking involves the transportation and exploitation of unwilling or unknowing victims, often for sex work.

Children are also forced to work as domestic servants, drug mules, in sweatshops and restaurants, or as beggars or pickpockets.

The case of ‘Adam’, the Nigerian boy’s torso found in the River Thames, raised concerns that trafficked children are being used for ritual killing.

The West African cultural practice of sending children to live with extended family or friends to be educated or work is being used to mask trafficking, according to the report. Parents are duped into believing that their child will have a better future
http://www.examiner.ie/pport/web/ireland/Full_Story/did-sgJXNj2lDcDCUsglO-LCk0lQvU.asp
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 06:05 PM
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17. A John Rappoport talk: The CIA, Mind Control and Children
http://www.nlp-mindcontrol.com/cia_children_mind_control.htm

It should be obvious to everyone concerned that the Abu Ghraib crimes are not the results of "a few bad apples..."
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 06:30 PM
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18. Ritual Abuse, Ritual Crime and Healing
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 06:57 PM
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19. just a very brief reading of practices in the Nazi concentration
camps emphasized that making prisoners be nude was a way to break down their sense of self

and then of course there were all those WWII resistance movies and books in which it was very clear that ONLY EVIL REPRESENTATIVES OF AN EVIL GOVT/COUNTRY TORTURE PRISONERS

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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 11:01 PM
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20. George W. Bush's administration has employed private torturers
with our tax money. Isn't that a crime in America?

What should the punishment be for people that torture and rape children in front of their mothers, some of them wearing US military uniforms- videotaping everything and saying it is vital to the national security of The United States of America and George W. Bush's War on Terror?

The neo-conservative traitors have made some progress on PNAC objectives, but they are getting blowback already-and the spook war they started is biting them in the ass as the truth is coming out about these criminals and their horrific crimes in BFEE.

What more could one ask from an intelligence agency except for the truth???

NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 11:31 PM
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21. George Bush, The CIA, Mind Control & Child Abuse
May 5, 2003
From the Streets of Little Beirut
Glen Yeadon
On January 28, 2003, amid the furor of the impending war with Iraq the British press briefly reported on Operation Ore, the most thorough and comprehensive police investigation of crimes against children before being squashed by the Blair government. Besides implicating Rock guitarist Peter Townsend of the Who, the report claimed that senior members of Tony Blair's government were being investigated for pedophilia and the "enjoyment" of child-sex pornography. With the investigation reaching to senior members of his Government, Blair declared a news blackout on the story.

Moreover, the British report was not the first such case reported. In fact, it followed on the heels of a report from Portugal. On November 27, 2002, the press reported a scandal of pedophile ring run from a state orphanage. The Guardian reported that the scandal threatened to engulf diplomats, media personalities and senior politicians. Photographs of senior government officials with young boys from Lisbon's Casa Pia orphanage were among the evidence. More shocking however, were the revelations that systematic sexual abuse of children at the home had allegedly been going on for more than 20 years and had been known to police and other authorities for most of that time.

On January 14, 2002, Insight Magazine reported the charges leveled by Ben Johnson against his employer Dyncorp, a major defense contractor. Johnson charged that officials and employees of Dyncorp were engaging in perverse, illegal and inhumane behavior and were purchasing illegal weapons, women, forged passports and participating in other immoral acts. Johnson had witnessed his supervisors and fellow employees buying 12- to 15-year-olds as sex slaves.

While prostitution is the world’s oldest profession, the global sex trade is big business. The impact of illegal immigrant traffic in Canada is estimated at between $120 million to $400 million per year accounting for approximately 8,000 to 16,000 people arriving in Canada per year illegally. The estimate is from Organized Crime Impact Study, prepared for the Solicitor General of Canada. The majority of the illegal immigrants are forced into prostitution and come from Vietnam and China. Once smuggled into Canada the young girls are sold into bondage throughout a North America network. Moreover, Canada is not alone. Young Russians and Ukrainian women that wish to immigrate to Israel are often smuggled into the country destitute and at the mercy of their pimp.

More disgusting is the role the United States government plays in facilitating this global sex trade. Instead of banning the previously mentioned Dyncorp from further defense contracts, the regime of George W Bush rewards it in granting major contracts for the Iraqi war. Even more shameful is the wink and nod the state department grants the Saudis. The Arabian Peninsula has long been known to be purchasers of slaves. Mostly the slaves came from India or Africa however, with the advent of the oil wealth the Saudis have became more selective and are known as high-end buyers. The Saudi Arabian Government continues to refuse to sign the United Nation’s treaty on slavery and extradition treaties. There have been several incidents in the past where the media has reported a slave of a Saudi prince brought into the United States escaped. The State Department then intervenes and returns the escaped slave to the Saudi prince and the incident forgotten. The State Department exempts the Saudi princes from normal custom procedures. A child slave bought by a Saudi prince can be delivered to his plane and allowed to depart without the required passport for the child. One fortunate victim that became entangled in the Saudi sex ring was the former Miss USA Shannon Marketic. She had been lured to Saudi Arabia by what she believed was legitimate modeling work. Being a high profile case she was returned to the United States and filed suit. The former Miss USA lost her lawsuit as the State department granted immunity to her abductors
more
www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/littleboys.html
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 11:59 PM
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22. To trace how we got to today reveals facts that support the systemic
US torture and abuse network theory. Remember, Bush has already created a secret prison gulag-no doubt it is staffed.

Remember the US human experimentation and experimenters clandestinely imported from the Third Reich to battle godless communism.

Remember, the Republican Party's RW is/was the political base of these real Nazis.

Resources on Human Experimentation by Nazi Doctors
http://www.dc.peachnet.edu/~shale/humanities/composition/assignments/experiment/nazi.html

Nazi Scientists That Performed Human Experimentation in US
http://www.dc.peachnet.edu/~shale/humanities/composition/assignments/experiment/paperclip.html
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 12:06 AM
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23. Cheryl Hersha's childhood CIA story.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 12:09 AM
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24. MONARCH child programming links
Edited on Sun Jul-18-04 12:19 AM by bobthedrummer
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:48 AM
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25. abuse network
Defence opens in BCCI law suit
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x694780

Dreamer, you know you are a dreamer
Well can you put your hands in your head, oh no!
I said dreamer, you're nothing but a dreamer
Well can you put your hands in your head, oh no!
I said "Far out, - What a day, a year, a laugh it is!"
You know, - Well you know you had it comin' to you,
Now there's not a lot I can do

Well work it out someday

If I could see something
You can see anything you want boy
If I could be someone-
You can be anyone, celebrate boy.
If I could do something-
Well you can do something,
If I could do anything-
Well can you do something out of this world?

Take a dream on a Sunday
Take a life, take a holiday
Take a lie, take a dreamer
dream, dream, dream, dream, dream along...

Dreamer, you know you are a dreamer
Well can you put your hands in your head, oh no!
I said dreamer, you're nothing but a dreamer
Well can you put your hands in your head, oh no!
OH NO!
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 11:07 AM
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26. Music and musicians, cults and spooks, from Manson to Koresh.
Since music is a universal language it eventually attracted political suppression and national security criminals. I know that by being an MH CHAOS survivor and the former drummer in the tragic Milwaukee band Clockwork Orange.

There's a lot of dead folks and ruined careers-many ruined lives as a result of illegal political operatives and RW spooks preying on musicians.
http://www.maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussell%20Articles/Operation%20Chaos.html

MH CHAOS
http://www.cia-on-campus.org/surveil/chaos.html

http://thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA/CensorsBooks_SecretsCIA.html
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:44 PM
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27. I AM TOO SCARED TO CLOSE MY EYES
http://www.bushflash.com/year.html WATCH THIS VIDEO


Legion
Vnv Nation
Enveloped in a sentiment,
A sound that rushes over me.
Engage an impulse to pretend
I have a faith as pure.
Not forgetting what it means to dream.
Indulging everything.
Entertaining thoughts that I've the strength
Of those I yearn to be.
Cheers and tribute greet the saviours.
Reckless thoughts survive.
Anachronistic and impulsive.

And what will happen?
Will I dream?
I am too scared to close my eyes.
For a second please hold me.
None can change in me these things that I believe.
But I don't know what happens now.
I am too scared to close my eyes.

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