Disgusting Fallujah F-16 war crime video

[floda]

" I see numerous people moving down the road. You wanna me to take them out?

"Take them out."



About 30 people walking in the street, visible as tiny little dots from an F-16 are missiled in this video.

Remember the video clip that took out the insurgents/farmers in the field? This is worse.

http://www.webmutants.com/strategypage/fallujah.wmv

[LiberalVoice]

1. Do we know who those people are?

Probably a dumb question.

[w13rd0]

2. I have no doubt that atrocities have been committed...

...but I'd need more context to make an evaluation on this. The formation on the ground doesn't look to be a parade or protest, or random grouping. They seem to be moving in formation. Would need some of the video surrounding this footage. Were there spotters on the ground confirming targets? Was this at night or during daylight? I'd find a moving formation of 30+/- ppl at night to be highly probable a "legitimate military target".

[LibertyorDeath]

3. Disgusting Indeed...Do you have any background info on this

Who were these 30 people.

Do you have a link for this.

Thanks

Have you seen this

http://www.darkwingbird.com/bombs-away4.wmv

[floda]

6. the link was from a gallery at this page

http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/default.asp

Smart Bomb Crowd Control is the title of of the clip

There is no other information with it.
It's hard for me to understand that this was a justified action. I mean who could see if these people were armed or not from that F-16?

[ROC]

Pretty obvious

There was a ground controller who called in the strike.

[jayfish]

16. "Pretty Obvious" May As*.

The pilot called out his own target.

Jay

[ROC]

27. Listen to the tape again

[Calico Jack Rackham]

33. I didn't hear any

CAS mission being called over the net. How can you claim that a ground unit called in this strike?

[lanparty]

31. He was probably ordered to find targets ...

Jet pilots don't go swooping around looking for targets to fire at (thats a helicopters job). They are ordered to hit specific targets.

My guess is that this was part of the Fallujah insurgency and he was ordered to be on the look out for this type of target.

BTW, he would have needed a ground confirmation on this. Otherwise, he could just as easily have killed an entire squadron of American GIs.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

19. Please don't go there. The pilot asked to be able to "take them out"....

...and was given permission to do so. It's "pretty obvious" that nobody was in a position to see exactly who these people were and what they were doing.

Quick question for you....if you're an Iraqi in a combat unit opposed to the Occupation, and you know that the U. S. has massive air superiority, would your entire unit decide to stroll down the street in broad daylight?

[ROC]

24. Logically no, but

the insurgents are not trained, disciplined military units. I don't agree with your analysis of the tape. I still do notknow the context of the situation from this thread. Since there is tape I have to believe that we knew what was going on.

[ROC]

4. War crime

How about some context? How do we know it's an F-16? Is it really Falluja? Need to know lots more before I'll buy off on a war crime.

[jimshoes]

5. Holy Darth Vader Batman....

Check out the pilot breathing ala Darth Vader. And the crosstalk very cold and calculating and no emotion at blowing away 30 human beings.

[Warren DeMontague]

28. "I Have You Now"

He finds your lack of faith... disturbing.

[daleo]

7. I didn't have the sound on my computer

Just visuals. One thing that struck me, is that they didn't seem too concerned about the jet being overhead. If they were actually fighters, you would think they would be going for cover. Any time I have been around high performance jets, they were pretty loud. But a group of innocent people, like an extended family, might assume they won't be targeted.

[maggrwaggr]

8. Hm, I have audio but no video

I'm on a MAC. Windows media player never works right

[parasim]

11. This one works on my mac

I saw the same video at another URL linked from another site (conservativeunderground, if you must ask... they're giggling like demented adolescents at this video over there):

http://www.jswaim.com/files/CAS.wmv


The "Ohh, dude.." bit right at the end is what creeps me out.

[maggrwaggr]

15. thanks

that one worked.

Disgusting.

[Old and In the Way]

9. Is this war or wanton slaughter?

How do they know that wasn't a bunch of kids walking around? We may have the most technologically advanced war machine, but we've lost our humanity in the process.

[xocolatl]

10. Is this real?

I mean, after all, it's on a website that advertizes an "adventure game for kids".

Compare http://www.webmutants.com
to http://www.webmutants.com/strategypage/fallujah.wmv

[Rick in Maryland]

12. War crime? Perhaps I am missing something.

How does this constitute an actual war crime?

[birdbrain]

17. You're right.

If you can't imagine how that could constitute a war crime - you are indeed missing something.

[Rick in Maryland]

20. I saw nothing that shows a crime was committed. Unless there is footage

somewhere else that clearly shows the people targeted were unarmed or where not engaged in combat in some other capacity, I am not going to jump to conclusions. Just because our armed forces kill people doesn't make them war criminals. Really.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

18. It falls under the heading of not willfully targeting civilians.

[Rick in Maryland]

21. How did you ascertain that they were civilians?

[Feanorcurufinwe]

32. Shoot first and apologize later if they were civilians?

:wtf:

[ROC]

25. We do not know that these arev civilians

If you have proof that they are civilians, please post.

[HarveyBriggs]

13. Quit villifying the soldiers. Villify Bush!

This is just what the neocons want you to do.

They did it to Cleland. To Kerry. Even to McCain.

They want you to think those who don't serve are superior. And soliders and vets are crazy dogs.

Go away with this stuff. It's very offensive to me.

Harvey Briggs

[Amarant]

14. Hahaha that's cute

"They want you to think those who don't serve are superior. And soliders and vets are crazy dogs."

uh yea, that must be it. US soldiers could NEVER commit war crimes.

Don't even bring up the possibility. Just go away with "this stuff". 30 people dead? No need to ask questions. Just move along comrade citizen.

[Trajan]

22. I agree it is wrong to attack our 'soldiers' who are doing their duty ...

But while saying that: I also admit that EACH Soldier must act within the guidelines of the Geneva Convention ....

Targetting civilians, in any case, is simply wrong and should not be tolerated ....

This isnt about insulting our soldiers: It's about doing what is right ... and NOT doing what is wrong ....

Dont confuse the issue with patriotism ... It is a legal and moral issue ...

[DemonFighterLives]

23. I didn't watch the video,

but isn't there also a Geneva convention rule about proportionality. If these were civilians or even military men with rifles, does a missile fit in the equation?

[donhakman]

26. This is obviously God's will

[are_we_united_yet]

34. Yeah OK.

[sofa king]

29. Wait a minute.

The footage looks authentic, but we have no idea what it really is. Someone says it's Fallujah, but that doesn't make it so. When? Was it when our Marines were entrapped somewhere between a line of circumvallation and a line of contravallation, with a hostile armed populace converging on them just as had happened in Mogadishu?

If it was, it happened in a war zone amongst a hostile public which was explicitly warned not to assemble lest they wind up being targeted.

We just don't know, and chances are we never will until things change in this country from the top down.

[Geo55]

30. Dunno...

Wedding party ?
Foreign terrorists ?
"insurgents" ?
Sunday shoppers ?
Osama Bin Laden ?
local glee club ?

Indigeniuos Iraqis who want us to leave them the fuck alone ?
Hmmm...could be.

[daleo]

35. Remember when the F-16 pilot killed the Canadians in Afghanistan?

For anyone that thinks that U.S. jets just do not bomb targets without verifying their identity, remember that one.