Why isn't the child rape in Iraq nonstop all over the USnnews?

[preciousdove]

Shouldn't they have started a TV movie about it already? Just asking.

[LibertyorDeath]

1. Patience grasshopper the timing of the release of this is

Very important for maximum effect. The corp media does not want to report this at all. They would rather take turns sticking forks in their eyes.

They will be FORCED to report it once the New Yorker Magazine & Sy Hersh
run with it.

During the the Repub convention was a suggestion by another DUer
I think they are right.

Your Patience will be rewarded.

[snoochie]

7. God, please let it be soon

I hope no one is holding back for political reasons. I hope it's just to ensure the story is airtight.

God, damn those soulless, mindless, ignorant fools that swallow the media pablem. Damn them all to hell.

[0007]

34. ...and Seymour Hersh will run with it!

The lamest smear is the Joe Wilson and the Niger story.

Goggle Joe Wilson Lied, and read the slop those blogs have put out.

[liberalmuse]

2. Child rape isn't very entertaining.

If there were a larger demographic of really sick and depraved people in our society that the media could make a few billion bucks off of, there'd be child rape all over the place.

Guys who 'supposedly' murder their pregnant wives, or atheletes who rape 'sluts' (the woman must be labeled a 'whore' by the press for some reason, or it just doesn't sell) make much more entertaining stories than American soldiers sodomizing children. Our soldiers are heroes, not rapists. THAT'S what sells Dodge trucks and Budweiser. We don't want to sh*t in anyone's Cheetos now, do we? 'Murka is the greatest country in the world!

[liberalmuse]

4. Sorry...

I'm so sickened by everything, especially the arrogance and complacency of the Bush administration in addressing the torture, murder and rape of civilians (AND children for Chrissakes!) that I'm kind of losing it. Bush, Cheney and Ashcroft could sodomize children on national tv and Bush would still have 42% of Americans saying he's doing a good job.

[TrustingDog]

16. omg, you're right....

what the bleedin' HELL is going on? where did people lose their conscience and common sense? Is it something in the water? the cornucopia in everyone's medicine chests? just too friggin wierd...

[bigbillhaywood]

18. You are remembering an America that never was. Americans have

never lost much sleep over what our military does to foreigners, especially when they are black, brown or yellow.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

22. Sadly, that's true

There were way too many Americans who thought the My Lai massacre and other atrocities of the Vietnam War were just fine and dandy.

[TrustingDog]

25. sadly, you are right...

maybe Bush is really a blessing in disguise with his inability to hide the deviousness and filth of the ruling class... some may be waking up.

[leesa]

26. Maybe it is something in the water...or the food. Rumsfeld (Serle)

pushed Nutrasweet through the FDA despite numerous reports that it can cause brain tumors and other brain changes.

This was AFTER it had been on the Pentagon's list of things to try as WMDs. It wasn't a powerful enough WMD, so Rumsfeld put it into our food chain.

Exactly WHAT are the rich corporations feeding us?

[Octafish]

3. Welcome to the Gulag Archipelago 2004.

Corporate McPravda controls what you hear and see
so they can control what you think about.
If they control what you think about,
they can better control what you do.
Those who object, will be arrested at the appropriate time.

[LibertyorDeath]

11. Octafish I found some Guards for the Gulag Archipelago

Looks like Killing is their business

[Octafish]

42. The War Party.

These Marines probably have no idea of the oily rat they answer to. If anyone knows their email addy, they might enjoy a link to the reading at www.awolbush.com. They also need a healthy dose of DU. For starters, I'd recommend what Gen. Smedley Butler, USMC, and two-time Medal of Honor recipient had to say about the war racket:

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

[MrPrax]

5. Fear of a Black Boobie!!

The Right played the card (oh yeah the card is Kerry)...USMC gang raping a twelve year to get his Dad to talk is really not on America's agenda..so look away and think happy thoughts...

It's not that Americans (esp the ones who need an low cost education) are mindless, immoral kill-bots ready to go off at anytime...

Have a Nice Day

[jdj]

6. Do you really want to know?

This is the first thing that popped into my head, sorry if it offends:

Because men are "faggots" and women are "whores", but children are INNOCENT, and, well, we can't have that, now, can we?

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

8. At least DU can be proud of people like you who won't let it die

[nosmokes]

9. hersh said he was giving them a chance to do the

right thing, is the way i understood it? which i took it to mean that he was giving them a chance to come clean and do the right thing in a timely manner. we'll see. i know warner has no plans to do anything before the elections unless his hand is forced.

[TexasBushwhacker]

14. Hersh should be careful and talk to some SVU cops

How often do you hear about sexual assaults against children here in the US? I'm not talking about statistics. I'm talking about real cases. People don't like to hear about that stuff and they'll shoot the messenger if they do. Look through your state's sex offender database if it's online. If it's anything like Texas, you'll find that the vast majority of victims are children and the vast majority of sentences are PROBATION. Why? Because they get the offenders to plea guilty. Why not prosecute and get them off the street? Because it's for 12 jurors to decide that a child "made up" or "imagined" that an offense happened than for them to believe that the offender did it. Unless there is an adult witness or physical evidence, they will believe the offender. Child molesters can clean up well too.

Now you want someone to report that our SOLDIERS are raping Iraqi children? Do you know how many will tune out just because the thought of it all is so unpleasant? Do you know how many will start the "a few bad apples" excuses? Do you know how many will question the age of the victims, or say things like "Well they marry them off when they're 12 there, so they aren't "really" children"?

I'm not saying that it shouldn't be reported. I AM saying, don't be surprised at the people that respond with something other than outrage against the Commander In Chief.

[Flubadubya]

31. Jury not required in this case...

They have it on videotape and photos if I'm not mistaken. Hard to say the children "just imagined it" or "made it up". Pictures don't lie.

[cybildisobedience]

23. Hersh should have a back-up plan....

I fear for his safety -- if something happens to him, does the story just go away?

[NEDem]

10. I can't wait until we hear the reactions of the

Limbaughs of the US when this news does break. I can't imagine them being able to spin themselves out of this one.

[mike1963]

12. We'll see, I guess. Anyway WELCOME to DO, deuce!`

:toast:

[Nikki Stone 1]

13. You mean child rape cannot be "a fraternity prank"?

No rape or sexual molestation can--unless your fraternity is more criminal than most.

I wonder how Rush can sleep at night.

I hope Hersch doesn't back down and does get this story out.

[TrustingDog]

17. or some kids are really 'grown up' yaknow....

what's a man to do when enticed by incarcerated devil children?
:puke: :puke:

[newyawker99]

24. Hi deuce98!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[the_outsider]

33. I think you underestimate them

Didn't you know it's every Arab child's, male or female, dream to have an intercourse with American soldiers? They begged for it practically.

[bigbillhaywood]

15. They're dirty Arabs and most Americans simply don't give a shit what

happens to them.

Sad but true.

[DaveSZ]

19. People should know the truth, even if it's ugly

I want the American people to know the real Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz.

I hope they are allowed to.

All I have to say is thankfully we have the internet. It's all we have left to escape the corporate media.

[Jane Austin]

30. I don't believe this at all.

I think most people can't wrap their minds around it.

I know I can't.

[southernleftylady]

20. Where is it all over in other countries news? i have only seen it on 2

places... one German and one Australian news channel please if you have more links I need them because i would love to show some people!

[nosmokes]

27. it was on a norwegian news channel, too

and there were a number of threads about this here at DU a week or so ago. try a search of DU and see what turns up.

[southernleftylady]

21. dupe

[mzmolly]

28. That's the liberal media for ya.

I don't recall many TV movies made about Iraq though ;)

[TexasSissy]

29. What evidence would they base the story on? The ones who saw it here

in Congress aren't talking. Can our media base a story on a foreign country's story, w/o actually seeing the tape themselves? With such a firestorm of a story, they'd have to be extra careful in making accusations like that, should they turn out not to be true. Normally, journalists require at least two reputable sources, I think.

What do you think?

[Jane Austin]

32. This is an honest question.

Where do you think it should run?

I frankly don't want it on my TV.

And the politically unconnected people who we need to reach this year to vote will be turning their TV's to Nickelodian if child rape is shown or discussed on regular television.

Picture a whole nation with it's hands over it's collective ears yelling "LaLaLaLaLaLaLaLa".

I don't want the story suppressed, but I really wonder how in the world it can get run without exposing children and my elderly mother to XXX-rated, disgusting, sick-making scenes.

Anybody?

[Disturbed]

35. The Grand Cover Up

The Bush Admin., Pentagon, Justice Dept. and Congress are covering up the Prison Torture System wide policy. The lid has been screwed on tightly of the muck. The people who have seen the photos and videos that the Pentagon has have all agreed that the public should not see anymore. The American public has the impression that the situation was "abuse", "sexual humiliation" and just a " few bad apples" and that the guilty are being punished and it has been corrected.

War crimes?


What is a war crime?
By Tarik Kafala
BBC News Online


Article 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention defines war crimes as: "Willful killing, torture or inhuman treatment, including... willfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health, unlawful deportation or transfer or unlawful confinement of a protected person, compelling a protected person to serve in the forces of a hostile power, or willfully depriving a protected person of the rights of fair and regular trial, ...taking of hostages and extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly."


This, international lawyers say, is the basic definition of war crimes.

The statutes of The Hague tribunal say the court has the right to try suspects alleged to have violated the laws or customs of war in the former Yugoslavia since 1992. Examples of such violations are given in article 3:

* Wanton destruction of cities, towns or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity
* Attack, or bombardment, by whatever means, of undefended towns, villages, dwellings, or buildings
* Seizure of, destruction or willful damage done to institutions dedicated to religion, charity and education, the arts and sciences, historic monuments and works of art and science
* Plunder of public or private property.

The tribunal defines crime against humanity as crimes committed in armed conflict but directed against a civilian population. Again a list of examples is given in article 5:

* Murder
* Extermination
* Enslavement
* Deportation
* Imprisonment
* Torture
* Rape
* Persecutions on political, racial and religious grounds.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1420133.stm


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http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/index.jsp
http://www.madcowprod.com
http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk
http://www.ndp.ca
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com

[Cleita]

36. Trouble is that there aren't any pictures published

that are graphic enough to shock. I know there has to be pictures, but so far they are being locked away from prying eyes. Let's hope that someone who has pictures, tapes, videos or anything graphic and shocking will have a pang of conscience and leak them on the internet. It seems talking about it and having sworn affadavits of eyewitnesses, like there is on the Washington Post site, aren't enough. Hard core Bush lovers have to have those harsh graphics in front of their eyes before they will believe.

[Swamp Rat]

37. Unfortunately I think you are right. People need to SEE the horror.

That's why I think it should be on TV 24/7 until Bush&Co resigns... I know, it's not gonna happen.

I wish there was a place to download all this footage so it could be burned onto DVDs, and then dropped into the mailboxes of every known republican... along with copies of "Uncovered," "F911,"etc.

[Cleita]

38. If only.

But unfortunately, we don't have the resources the Republicans have. The fact that they control all the popular media that could reach everyone with these atrocities makes it really hard for us to get the message out. If those other pictures from Abu Ghraib hadn't been leaked and they couldn't ignore it, we would have been left in the dark.

[against all enemies]

39. Americans don't want bad news and the for profit press will not show it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/18/arts/18RICH.html

[NightOwwl]

40. I called the Washington Post

features editor to ask if they were in possession of the pictures. He wouldn't say (but he didn't say no.)

I said if they did have them, and were aware of the abuse I could understand not publishing the pictures, however, would they run the story the front page. He replied, "well, that depends on how newsworthy the story is."

:cry:

[Lydia Leftcoast]

41. How NEWSWORTHY???????

:wtf:

[LibertyorDeath]

44. They are waiting for Hersh & the New Yorker to go first

The New Yorker has the Courage to do the right thing.

To those who do not want to see it or think about it
I say to Fucking Bad. This will come out & every left leaning to moderate independent News source & website will report on it.

CBS News & BBC America would report this Story

Hersh is the Guy with the Goods they will follow his lead.

The American Public can Ignore it at their own Peril.
You can not run around the World invading Countries against International Law Kill, Torture & Rape the Citizens INCLUDING
CHILDREN & not get any Blow Back from it.

[jackstraw45]

45. And if the Corporate Media bosses say it's not newsworthy

The Post doesn't run it.

Free media is DEAD.

[Geo55]

43. The machine does not responed...

until one of the gears stops engaging.

[AmyDeLune]

46. Kick! n/t