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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 12:37 AM
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My Pet Goat Look ... Explained?


"Mr. President, America is under attack."

Then the dolt doesn't do a thing for seven minutes, except listen to kids read about a goat?

Anybody else -- from towel boy to Baywatch Babe -- would have stood up and said, "WHAT!?! America is under attack! What the fuck!!? Well, don't just stand there! Do something!"

No. Instead, Bush just sat there. And I say it's not that he didn't know what to do. Bush sat there, expressionless, because he knew what was going on. BUSH KNEW AMERICA WAS UNDER ATTACK!
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 12:41 AM
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1. He knew and he didn't CARE.
He had been waiting for it to happen. And he just sat there, because he didn't care.

The thing is that this administration screws up EVERYTHING that they touch, and they forgot about this video being made.

What dumbasses!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 12:54 AM
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4. It was all going according to plan.
"I watch video of that plane flying into the building and I thought, "That's one terrible pilot."

Uh huh. Yoo-betcha.

Hubris. The BFEE turds forgot the principal and teachers brought their own videorecorders.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 05:58 AM
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20. A number of major TV News outlets were there also
The homemade video from Booker Elem is not the only camera that recorded the event.

Also in attendance was News 8, 10 News, Fox 13 News and probably a few other that I have not been able to identify.

They were all running hi-res cameras during the reading lesson. Funny thing though is no one has seen any of those tapes since 9-11. If the 9-11 Cover-up Commission had been interested in finding out what really happened, you would think that they would have asked to see these videos. But of course we all know, that that is not something they are interested in.


These are pics from Booker Elem's website:








There are more on the Booker site for anyone who is interested.

http://www.sarasota.k12.fl.us/emma/9.11.01/photogallery.html

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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 12:42 AM
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2. He wanted his pants to dry a bit
so the kids couldn't tell he'd pissed in them.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 12:57 AM
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7. "Mr. Soiled Britches came to our class today, mommy!"
You have him pegged, liburl!



No matter the expression, the crazy moron
always DOES have that look on his face,
that his pants are just soiled.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 12:51 AM
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3. he was thinking "damnit, I thought they were joking about that"
He realized at that moment that his cronies had made it happen and that they weren't kidding about it, and that his life was about to change greatly.

It was his moment, his call, to show what his character was really made of, and what did he do?

Crawled right between the sheets with the devil.

That man is worthless and unredeemable. At that moment he resigned himself to hell.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 01:10 AM
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10. "At that moment he resigned himself to hell."
Well said. Smirko's like Fredo in the brains department. No one with an ounce of brains is going to trust him. So, if he knew anything beforehand, it's only because, say, Poppy and Robert Gates were talking outside the sauna and they didn't think anybody else was around. The towel-boy Bush sold his soul in a New York second upon hearing confirmation of what was going on. He's only worked 24/7 since then to earn his spot as Satan's bedfellow.



We're gonna trust who?
Don't make me laugh.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 12:01 PM
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43. As I watched that particular scene in F911
it was not as I remember reading here on DU or the takebackthemedia video that was made. *bush didn't sit there and read 'My Pet Goat,' it was being read.

I watched his face very closely as he looked down at the book, and he looks scared to me. Like, he knows what is going on and he is scared to death. I think it was at that point that I realized what a puppet he actually is.
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FormerOstrich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:36 AM
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31. That's exactly what I think....
Odd that you should say this.....

I had a very strange experience on 9/11 (I've detailed it in posts before). For lack of a better explanation, I believe I sensed those very emotions from him that very day. I believe he was scared at first thinking it was harder than he thought it would be, but at the end of the day he faced his fears and found he loved his new role.

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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 12:03 PM
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44. I have arrived at that conclusion as well.
He was scared shitless. 9-11 wasn't something that he had a hand in planning....he had his hands in covering it up.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 12:54 AM
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5. What did Card REALLY say to bu$h?
Two seconds was the length of the message. There was no sense of urgency displayed by either man, who both went about their business at the meaningless photo-op after whatever message was relayed.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 01:29 AM
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11. "A second plane hit the World Trade Center. America is under attack."
At least that's what our colleagues at Center for Cooperative Research have found:

Chief of Staff Andrew Card was in a nearby room when he heard the news. He waited until there was a pause in the reading drill to walk in and tell Bush. The children were getting their books from under their seats to read a story together when Card came in. Card whispered to Bush: "A second plane hit the second tower. America is under attack." Another account has Card saying: "A second plane has hit the World Trade Center. America is under attack." Accounts vary as to when Card gave Bush the news. Some say 9:05 , and some say 9:07. ABC News reporter Ann Compton, who was in the room, said she was surprised by the interruption and "wrote down in my reporter's notebook, by my watch, 9:07 a.m."

SOURCE (lots o' links and info):

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/essayaninterestingday.html

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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 03:12 AM
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18. That's quite a mouthful
to spit out in two seconds. And the actions of both men are in contradiction to the urgency of the situation, if indeed this was the actual message.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 12:05 PM
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45. I have wondered that as well.
What did he really say to *bush? How do we know he said those words.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 03:55 AM
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19. He would have jumped up and ran out the door if Card told him,
"Mr. President, someone just knocked over your 12 yr old bottle of scotch in the limo."
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:18 AM
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30. Ha ha ha ha....that's a good one Swamp Rodent!
Or that his bag of blow was mistakenly left open and blowed away in a gust of wind....
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:39 AM
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32. Swamp Rat is good people
The thing about pResident losing his bottle in a mishap will make a need for him to find another outlet for his pent up hostility. I suggest a few mazes



Hello, we are two girls from Colorado and we did a science fair project this year about music and rats. We had heard a lot about the "Mozart Effect," where supposedly listening to classical music helps you learn better. We have 3 pet rats, and we wanted to see if a rat would learn a maze faster by listening to classical music, rock music, or silence.

We made 3 mazes out of cardboard and tested how fast our rats learned the mazes when listening to the different types of music. We found out that they learned the fastest when there was no music at all. They learned the slowest when they were listening to rock music, and classical music was in between. Rats don't like loud noises which may be why they learned slowest to rock music. Maybe they learned quickest to no music because there was nothing to distract them. The classical music didn't seem to help them, anyway.
(snip)
http://www.fieldadventures.org/rats/rats.html
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:17 AM
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35. Thanks nolabels!
The Musical Rat Maze is interesting, but I think they played the wrong music. They should have played the song by Primus "Seas of Cheese" for proper motivation.

When the going gets tough
And the stomach acids flow
The cold wind of conformity
Is nipping at your nose
When some trendy new atrocity
Has brought you to your knees
Come with us we'll sail the
Seas of Cheese

Or In 1930, "You're the top", a famous Cole Porter song evokes the camembert in its fourth chorus:

You're the top! You're an Arrow collar.
You're the top! You're a Coolidge dollar.
You're the nimble tread of the feet of Fred Astaire
You're an O'Neill drama, You're Whistler's mama,
You're camembert

Mozart is not cheesy music either. They should have played "Claire de Lune" by Debussy... my cousins would have recognized the reference immediately and headed for the Home of Cheese the Moon.

There is the possibility that these particular fellas were tone deaf, but I doubt it.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 09:19 AM
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37. Come with us we'll sail the Seas of Cheese

These particular fellas were tone deaf
(well, at least that's their claim :o)


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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 04:04 PM
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51. "Flights 77 and 93 were delayed. We need to kill 20 minutes."
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StandUpGuy Donating Member (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 01:46 AM
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28. "Sir, one of the planes was delayed on takeoff "
You need to stall for 13 minutes"

Or he spoke in tongues.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 12:55 AM
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6. The plan went awry.
I think the Bush administration knew there would be an attack, but as usual, underestimated the scale of it. They thought a plane or two might hit the WTC and maybe a couple hundred people would die (the attack had to be on a larger scale than the 1993 attacks in order for them to rally the American people to support PNAC).

Anyway, Bush was told to sit tight and act natural when he got the news. That's just what he did, except he sucks as an actor.

Later, he panicked on AF1 (away from the reporters, of course). Bush on the phone: 'WTF, Cheney? You said only a couple hundred people would die.' Cheney: 'Shut up you little shit. You're in on this too. Just remember who's going down if it gets out that YOU let the attacks happen!'

Okay, perhaps that wasn't the way it was, but if the W.H. can just make up sh*t, why can't I? Didn't want to scare the children, indeed.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 01:33 AM
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12. All the time since 9-11, Cheney is telling Bush.
"Shut up you little shit. You're in on this too."



Your on the money, liberalmuse. BULLSHeye!
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Roon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 06:09 AM
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22. Didn't want to scare the children
that is bullshit also. Think about it, those kids were still living in a pre 9-11 world when Bush was told about the 2nd plane. Excusing himself and getting up wouldn't have scared those kids any more than a teacher assinging somone to "be in charge" and stepping out of the classroom. Didn't want to scare the children...what a crock...
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 09:22 AM
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38. It is a crock
especially when you consider that he used kids as a backdrop when he made his announcement about the attacks
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 12:59 AM
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8. A "War President" would spring into action. The captain of the Titanic, no
doubt, had a similar facial expression after realizing his major screw up.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 01:35 AM
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13. Smirk showed more emotion during that turkey incident


Gee. Now THAT hurts!
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Valerie5555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 01:07 AM
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9. As for "Big Dog" Billy Clinton, I wonder if he would have given himself
away by "woofing" in outrage too soon, though on second thought he no doubt would have delayed his outraged reaction like with he did with the Murrah Building in OKC. "AH WILL NOT ALLOW THE UNITED STATES TO BE INTIMIDATED BY "EVIL COWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!""
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 01:40 AM
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14. He had his faults as a C-in-C. Not going after crooks wasn't it.
A Congress filled with the spawn of Rush Limpnuts and Trent Lott also wasn't the entire picture. The thing was, when something happened -- Janet Reno, despite Louis Freeh's best intentions -- managed to get something done and the perpetrators behind bars. It was Louis Freeh who gave SA John O'Neill a pair of cement shoes.



Al Qaeda? Never heard of him.
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Valerie5555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 01:43 AM
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15. At least with Clinton, maybe his concern with things related to terrorism
may have led him to respond to things such as the Murrah Building incident with outrage, for I did remember his "evil cowards" speech.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 01:51 AM
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16. Agree 100 percent, Valerie5555!
Clinton made the speech in the afternoon, if I remember correctly. His words I can definitely still hear.

When Clinton handed off the baton to the incoming Bush team, Sandy Berger briefed Condescenda up and down about the number one threat facing America was terrorism in general, but specifically Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda. Clinton, personally, told Bush the same.

So what do Condi and Bush do? They talk Star Wars Star Wars and we need to spend billions on missile pork. Ashcroft, when he wasn't helping Ken Lay navigate the FERC, actually de-listed terrorism as a national FBI priority.

President Gore would not have dropped the baton on terror. Under his watch, I believe, 9-11 would never have happened.
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Valerie5555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 01:58 AM
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17. Maybe had a certain well intentioned sex rogue been allowed a 3rd term or
had Gore been allowed to take office as President, maybe terrorism still would have been a concern but less of a concern.

Just wondered if that was the "evil cowards," speech you were referring to. I wonder as well, if Okies no doubt found Bill Clinton's forceful outrage strangely reassuring.
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 06:08 AM
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21. I don't think he knew in advance.
I don't discount the idea that someone other than Al Qaeda might have done 9/11. Or maybe an intelligence agency gave Al Qaeda a little 'push' to make the thing bigger than expected. But I don't believe * was in on it. Here's why:

1. If he knew in advance, the reaction would have been scripted, just like everything else in this pathetic punk's presidency.

2. If they were planning to invade Iraq when they took office, don't you think the cabal would have taken steps to leave some Iraqi passports or documents at the scene of the WTC attacks? At the very least, you would have had 2 or 3 Iraqi hijackers.

There are a lot of unanswered questions. But the idea that they would let this little sack of CRAP know anything isn't plausible.
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Roon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 06:10 AM
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23. I agree,,,,BUT..
he was warned and he knew it. That is why he froze in fear in that classroom. He knew he screwed up big time.
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 07:05 AM
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25. That's what I think happened, too. n/t
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 06:23 AM
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24. They had a script
but it started to fall apart, when the attack didn't go off exactly has they had planned.

The original script depended on all of the planes leaving on time. This is why they picked the first flights out in the AM. Those planes almost always take off on schedule.

All of the planes were originally scheduled to take off between 9:45 and 8:01, within a 15 minute window. They should have all hit their targets by 9:00 if everything went smoothly.

The script called for W to arrive a Booker just has everyone was finding out that multiple targets in the US had been hit. W then would have jumped out of the limo to make a brief statement, to say he was just getting info about the attack and had to go back to AF1 immediately. W then would have looked like he was responding appropriately, and no one would have ever questioned his response.

Instead, when only one plane had found it's target, W had to stall and this is where the script starts to fall apart. He never planned to actually get stuck with a bunch of 2nd graders, having to sit on his hands to wait for the rest of the attack to play out. That was why he acted like such an idiot. This wasn't the way it was supposed to go.


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StandUpGuy Donating Member (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:10 AM
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29. question
Are you assuming in point number one that 9/11 went down without a hitch. If planed by Bushco he may have been reacting to unexpected news.

Perhaps a delay of some sort requiring some stalling. In Moore's movie Ari Fleischer is Sweating bullets.

In your second point I think you are forgetting that they needed a reason to invade Afghanistan. Once a seemingly legitimate target had softened the American people to the idea of war and preemption the case for Iraq was unveiled.

Remember what Paul wolfowitz said.

Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, during an interview with Sam Tannenhaus of Vanity Fair magazine, said: "The truth is that for reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government bureaucracy we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on which was weapons of mass destruction as the core reason."

More recently, Wolfowitz added "The country swims on a sea of oil."
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MyshkinCommaPrince Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 01:32 AM
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26. Everything went as planned
Here's my recent Crackpot Theory on the My Pet Goat reading.

I have the video on my hard drive somewhere, here. I watched it the other day and was struck by how the kids all chant in unison to what sounds like a metronome. They don't start chanting until Andrew Card(?) has spoken to Bush. It really creeped me out. It was like they waited for the disaster before the reading started.

So the other day my sister was explaining astrology to me, and we came to goat = Aries = Mars, god of war. And I, loony that I am, had a sudden realization. "My Pet Goat" wasn't actually a children's story. It was an invocation to the War God! The neocons were working black magic. Human sacrifice while the innocent children pray to Mars before the would-be king of the culture. I actually believed this for about five minutes.

Although I usually suspect that Bush's handlers were just keeping him safely out of the way while whatever was supposed to happen happened.
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Bhaisahab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 04:20 AM
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36. thanks! that's a good perspective...
Edited on Mon Jul-19-04 04:21 AM by professor_pot
...always glad to learn something i did not know. in this case, goat= aries= mars= war god! :)

oh and by the way- welcome to DU! :headbang:
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VLC98 Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 09:42 AM
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40. Funny theory, except Aries is a ram.
The goat is Capricorn, my sign, not that I believe in all that.
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 01:04 PM
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49. the kids reading Was odd...
on the vid clip you see the teacher hitting her desk with a stick or something for rhythm while the children 'chant'...

is this how children are taught to read? like robots? wierd. spooked me out for some reason.
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neebob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 01:35 AM
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27. I don't get why people think he looks confused
or scared or indecisive or whatever. To me it looks like he's planning to invade Iraq.
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wordout Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:45 AM
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33. Wrong Book.
King george was reading 'I am the Gaotu's pet',lol.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:00 AM
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34. Yep, you're right. Anyone with an ounce of brains could tell that.
Very, very accurate post, Octafish. Thanks.

At least Reagan could act.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 09:32 AM
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39. terrible reasoning
to infer all that from a facial expression, nonsense.

There's other much better evidence of "Bush Knew," and there's way better interpretations of Bush's expression, like for instance that he was way over his head and he knew it.



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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 11:37 AM
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41. Consider that he DIDN'T know.
If he knew, they would have prepared a script. He would have had an action to make, and words to say. The whole thing would have been scripted in advance, including an exit strategy and heroic comments for reporters. He would have had a part to play to make him look presidential. Instead, he looked like a major dumbass.

As it was, he did not know what to do, and he did not feel any need to do anything because he only does what he is told. He is a follower, not a leader.

Bushco (Parallax, Inc.) let the attacks occur. Perhaps the Intel community was in on it, as well as senior admin officials, but Chimpers was not privvy the details. He can't be trusted with the specifics. He's got a big mouth and a little brain.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 11:54 AM
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42. Another occasion when Bush fails as an actor.
Take Back the Media's Flash presentation "How to spot a liar." Make sure volume is on.

http://66.230.230.110/geeklog/public_html/staticpages/index.php?page=20040602042541829
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 12:06 PM
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46. He did nothing for the same reason that UFOlogists claim the media
and the government sits on UFO sighting stories: he didn't want to panic the kids in the room.

Trouble is.....by doing so, he allowed the rest of the country's "kids" to panic like freshly decapitated chickens. If, after Card whispered to him, he had simply gotten up and told the kids and teachers that there was a situation to take care of, then hopped on board Air Force One and went back to DC, and acted "decisive" (there's that word again), we might have been spared some of the nauseqating fear and uncertainty that plagued us for months afterward, knowing that our strong, "decisive" commander-in-chief had the situation under control. But he didn't, and for the first time in my life, I literally felt as though the end of the world might be at hand.

A few weeks later, I realized that he WANTED us to feel that way. There could have been no other way to ramrod his war plans through Congress unless we were all possessed with terror.

Plus, the fucker knew it was gonna happen that day, so....of course he knew what he was doing. I think Michael Moore got it wrong in F9/11: Bush wasn't confused or scared; he was imagining that Congresional red carpet just unfolding and unfolding......and his approval numbers soaring.....and his bank account swelling.....and trying to keep the smile off his face......
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 12:10 PM
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47. I'm not implying anything here at all
But that expression on his face looks a lot like guilt.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 01:22 PM
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50. exactly. realizing it ain't gonna be all golf and horseshoes
that they weren't kidding around about their plans and that he now had a big acting job to fulfill.

And realizing that the people he was in bed with, sold his soul to, were pretty horrible evil people and there was no going back.

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maynard Donating Member (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 12:52 PM
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48. My pet goat is just one story in the book
I have taught that reading series a few years back. The first story in the book is called the Cowboy and the Cow. The cowboy did not have a horse so a cow talked him into riding a cow. It is only 1 1/2pages. My Pet goat is only 1/1/2 pages. All one syllable words.
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