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SalParadise Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 09:54 AM
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Letter to Ed of MS paper - Kill the liberals
We ought to offer liberals to terrorists

Just want to say how much I agree with Linda Norris' letter ("Editorial, cartoon take 'liberal slant' on 9-11 Commission," June 30). I, too, have had it with the liberal agenda and liberals in general.

They have taken our country's attempt to free a horribly oppressed people and take down a ruthless and corrupt dictator and turned it into a farce.

America attacked the hiding places and breeding grounds of terrorists and the liberals, instead of supporting the effort, twist the truth. Their twisted view of calling it "a power grab" or "only for oil" or to "repay Saddam for threatening George Bush-41" or any of the other illogical reasons they have come up with are seditionist.

I am as mad at the liberals as they profess to be at George W. Bush. I would jump at the chance to offer up all of them to the terrorists that enjoy beheading Americans.

John Walker
Ridgeland

Link to letter: http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040718/OPINION/407180387/1009
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 09:56 AM
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1. Nice Guy
Still, best to reflect on his relative powerlessness and what a poor crappy life he must lead if he feels this way.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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Arcturus Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 09:57 AM
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2. The war didn't need our help to be a farce. n/t
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Dirty Hippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 10:07 AM
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9. EXACTLY!
We were not the one LYING OUR ASSES OFF.
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 09:58 AM
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3. The biggest thing that puzzles me about idiots like this...
is why they want to publicize their name and where they live. Not very clever people.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 11:52 AM
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32. the biggest thing that puzzles me about this...
...is that idiots believe it.

Probably my favorite "jumping the shark" moment(and there are oh-so many) of this miss-administration is the Thanksgiving "freedom flight" into Baghdad to serve a meticulously hand-picked crowd of pro-$hrubco military personnel a PLASTIC TURKEY, which just happened to be in Iraq. VERY CONVENIENT, just like the MISSION ACCOMPLISHED sign the previous time gee-dubya went military photo-oping.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 01:39 PM
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43. I think they instinctively know
that we're just not as irrationally vicious as them. I might argue with a wingnut (I tilt at windmills too), but it would be utterly beyond the pale for me to consider pre-emptively harming one of them.

On the other hand, I know theyare capable of pretty nasty behavior. The other day I parked in a university parking lot near a car covered with RW stickers, including some that threatened harm to "liberals." My old truck has Feingold and Dean stickers (will replace the latter with K-E as soon as I get one), so I wrote down the license number of the wingnutmobile in my PDA, and erased it when I returned to my truck & saw it was unharmed.

These people scare me, but I don't present much risk to anything but their delusional systems.
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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 09:58 AM
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4. Must Be A Baptist Fundie
Capable of spewing love and hate in the same sentence.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 09:58 AM
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5. I Don't Think Most Responsible Papers Would Print That Editorial
Edited on Sun Jul-18-04 10:45 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
I doubt you could get it printed in my hometown paper-The Orlando Sentinel.
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SalParadise Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 10:11 AM
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11. I started thinking the same thing ....
If someone were to write in something about killing Jews, blacks, or homosexuals, would they print it?

The clarionledger is really a crappy paper - I stopped subscribing long ago - so this really doesn't surprise me.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 10:44 AM
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20. It Really Is Strange...
I oppose censorship of course but I find it strange to print an editorial like that.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 05:16 PM
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51. You want to know what is really scary - the clarion is a much more
objective paper than the sunherald (other large MS paper). I don't subscribe to either (internet is my access to them).

As a MS liberal, this does not surprise me. I just hope I never run into this guy, he is spooky.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 01:43 AM
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67. Well, isn't "liberal" really a catch-all term for all three at once?
These people have learned a not-very-subtle code.
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 05:37 PM
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53. I was gonna say
I'm not so sure either the Dallas Morning News OR the Ft. Worth Star-Telegram would print that.

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StandUpGuy Donating Member (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:31 AM
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71. I say Hats off.
I couldn't have written a better letter myself trying to discredit Freeplogic.

I've never seen so many ands in one sentence.

Another paragraph switches tenses so many times it doesn't even make sense.

Print as many of these as you got.

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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 10:00 AM
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6. Seditious?
Open talk by members of the junta about canceling elections -- now that's seditious.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 10:01 AM
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7. This paper not only printed letter, it headlined: "We ought to offer...
liberals to terrorists"!!! Seems to me a matter for law enforcement, both the writer and the paper -- "I would jump at the chance to offer up all of them to the terrorists that enjoy beheading Americans."

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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 05:58 PM
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59. Seems like a threat and/or a hate crime/speech to me...
Just my little 'ole opinion though :eyes:
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 10:02 AM
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8. Weak expression of personal hatred ...
and nothing more ....

This letter is a trifle ...
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 10:09 AM
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10. the wingnuts are going insane
they know they've lost the culture wars...

they know it's over...

what we're seeing is the last gasp of a dying ideology...

hahahahahahaha
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 04:08 PM
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48. You think? I think it's more like Germany 1933
They were driven purposefully insane, too, you know.
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 10:13 AM
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12. Tell the editor what you think of his publishing this inflammatory crap
Executive editor, Ronnie Agnes ph 601-961-7175 or email him at ragnew@clarionledger.com
You can also write to the editorial page administrator, David Hampton at dhamton@clarionledger.com or call him 601-961-7240.

Here's the link to send your own letter to the editor.
http://www.clarionledger.com/news/about/letters.html

Just what we need is more right wing nuts trying to encourage others to harm liberals. If you can't beat 'em kill 'em.
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 10:37 AM
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17. We need to bombard the newspaper with complaints
asking why this letter was ever printed! Substitute liberal with another group (as other poster mentioned) and it would be all over the media, and an attorney would gladly take this case pro bono.

I am disgusted with this utter hatred spewing from the mouths of the illiterate. Thanks to our media, Rush, Hannity and the like, it will never end until we can unite and scream loud enough to be heard over the brainwashing.

I will complain everytime I witness this radical BS - reasoning with theses fanatics is impossible.
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Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 11:46 AM
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31. Done. Thank you.
Please everyone do this. We cannot sit and allow hateful propaganda encouraging violence against liberals to be printed like this.
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SalParadise Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 12:07 PM
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38. Here's my letter to the ex. ed.
I don't know if I've ever written a letter to a publication to complain about what they've printed, but the more I thought about this today, the more mad I got - here's what I sent Ronnie Agnes:
----------------------------------------------------------------

The printing of John Walker's letter today was incredibly irresponsible, especially in the editorial mouthpiece of the state's main paper. If he had suggested lynching liberals and hanging them from trees, would you print that? If the purpose in printing this was to make the state of Mississippi look as intolerant & ignorant as the rest of the nation thinks we already are, then mission accomplished.

I'm opposed to censorship, but am also in favor of sound editorial judgment. This is the kind of claptrap I expect to see on an internet bulletin board, not in a major newspaper that professes to have some kind of standards in what they print. By printing inflammatory rhetoric like this, you do nothing to further responsible debate of serious issues facing this country, but instead you validate the hate & intolerance of too many people around the state.

If I subscribed to your paper, I'd cancel my subscription. Thankfully, I don't subscribe & I can assure you that I never will. By the way, I'm not sending this letter for you to print in your paper - please don't - I've got a family & there's too many people like Mr. Walker around here & I'd prefer to keep MY head atop my shoulders.

Nice job.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 10:16 AM
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 10:16 AM
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14. What strikes me is his name
John Walker?

Isn't that the same name as the "American Taliban"?
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 12:48 PM
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41. and...
Really shitty scotch! :puke:
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:08 AM
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70. That gets me too -- are the editors being played for fools?
However, a quick Yahoo people search revealed a few J. Walkers in Ridgeland, MS, so it's not a stretch to think that at least one of them could be John Walker.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 01:52 PM
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89. I noticed that too.
Does that town have a federal prison nearby?
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neebob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 10:19 AM
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15. What kind of irresponsible newspaper
prints a piece of shit letter like that? Do they only get irrational letters full of death threats or what?
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 10:25 AM
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16. HOLY SHITE!!!
People, it's not just this guy. Go take a look at the mlive.com newstalk forums if you want a dose of how widespread these feelings are.

It's things like this that atre making me more and more firmly believe we are headed for disaster this fall no matter who wins- there's this horrible undercurrent of "we're aint gonna take dat librul bullshit anymore"- and it appears to have taken root nationwide.

These... these knuckledraggers are the ones who are being truly antiAmerican, but they're so poisoned by their hatred for us, as people specifically, that they're all too willing to start the killing if * loses this November.

The scary part? I can see them doing just the same if he wins.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 10:45 AM
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21. Bring 'em on!
Edited on Sun Jul-18-04 10:49 AM by BeFree
We liberals have been fighting terrorists from day one. Nothing new here.

Given, however, that our battles against terrorists may never end, doesn't it make sense that we quit attacking ourselves and turn, in unison, against the enemies of humanity?

There is much good to be done. Let's get on with it, Bring 'em on!
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #16
25. And they've got guns!
eep!
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pop goes the weasel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 11:31 AM
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29. So do we
OK, maybe you don't, but you can rest assured that a high proportion of the Left is armed and able to use those arms. Even if you don't own a gun, and don't want to own a gun, you should still learn how to use one in case a situation gets to where you are faced with using one.

In the meantime, we need to demand that people who are calling for the murder of their fellow citizens and the destruction of civil society be met with the full force of the law.
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 05:38 PM
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54. This liberal is armed. eom
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mike1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 06:00 PM
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60. So is this one. Heavily.
;-)
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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 10:41 AM
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18. Kill the conservatives.
We ought to offer conservatives to terrorists.

I have had it with the conservative agenda and conservatives in general.

They have taken our country's attempt to contain and disarm a dictator and turned it into a farce.

America applied economic and diplomatic sanctions. We instituted a weapons inspection program and the conservatives, instead of supporting the effort, twist the intelligence and start military action. Their twisted view of calling it "liberating the Iraqi people" or "fighting the war on terror" or to "bring democracy to the Middle East" or any of the other illogical reasons they have come up with are seditionist.

I am as mad at the conservatives as they profess to be at Saddam Hussein. I would jump at the chance to offer up all of them to the terrorists that enjoy beheading Americans.

Make7
DU

</sarcasm>

I wonder if they would print that?
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 10:43 AM
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19. Kill the Wabbit!!!!
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 10:46 AM
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22. That is a damned good idea ...
Would they ? .... I doubt it ...
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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 11:19 AM
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27. I don't think they would either.
I'd send it in - but I think when people complain about (or show support for) something in the media, it just encourages them to keep doing it. If they get any reaction at all, they are probably happy. So I believe it's best to just ignore it and let it fade away. Unless, of course, you can get a lot of people to go after their advertisers. They certainly would pay attention to that.

-Make7
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 10:47 AM
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24. Neo-conservatives.
There are Republicans who are actually respectable people.

Neo-cons and PNAC supporters can be thrown to the barbarians, for they are the same.
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Grins Donating Member (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 02:21 PM
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44. No!
We should not offer conservatives to terrirists.

Conservatives, all true believers like this idiot should be asked a simple question: "OK, you bastard, if you really believe in this war so much, why haven't you joined the Army?"

If they are too old to join, ask them if their sons or daughters signed up. With the dead silence or self-serving excuse that they may come up with (a pilonidal cyst?), question their patriotism and motives.

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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 10:47 AM
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23. Johnnie Walker Lind... oops, Ridgeland... American Taliban...
The dude hasn't been listening to Kerry, who seems rather supportive of the war on terror and is far more likely to be ETHICAL about the fight.

There is nothing twisted about "repaying saddam", "for oil", and "power grab" because all of those factors are TRUE. Not spin. He doesn't realize this. If the US didn't rely on that region for 1% of our oil, let alone 60%, the US wouldn't care if the region warred itself to extinction. Peak oil is a concern and the US is going to want the oil for itself. If I didn't know about the oil situation, I might be as wilfully brainwashed as Johnnie WaR as well.

He needs edification. We don't need to have our heads lopped off for knowing the truth. And if his mind is too narrow to understand, that's not my fault.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 05:41 PM
Response to Reply #23
55. I was thinking more in terms of John Walker the traitor
and spy. Something tells me that people like these are cut from the same sick cloth.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 11:02 AM
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26. seeing that here too
In the last couple of days there have been letters to the editor in out local rag (http://www.caller.com) that have been very similar. Must be those RW talking points Jon Stewart made fun of the other night.

One writer complained about a Molly Ivins column in which she basically stated that religion and politics shouldn't mix. The writer of the letter said that liberals like Ivins only like Islam (and basically that they were intolerant and why shouldn't religion be in schools, etc).

Another letter said Michael Moore was a traitor for questioning the President. The usual crap. I wanted to respond to bothe of those but my computer had crashed so I couldn't.
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 11:24 AM
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28. The Freepers are coming...
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TiredTexan Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 11:38 AM
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30. My letter to them............
I know of no other newspaper in this country that would have published the irresponsible letter written by John Walker advocating turning over liberals to terrorists so they could be beheaded. Exactly what were you people thinking when you gave this clearly mentally unbalanced person the forum of your newspaper to spread his vile hate speech? Would your paper have printed a call to behead blacks or Jews from a racist? Or a call to kill women from a misogynist? During the Clinton years, did you ever print a letter from a liberal advocating that all conservatives criticizing Clinton during the Bosnian conflict be killed?

This level of journalist irresponsibility boggles the mind. In a country where our founding fathers advocated dissent as the "highest form of patriotism" (Thomas Jefferson) and where truly patriotic Republican presidents recognized that prohibiting criticism of a sitting president was treasonous (Theodore Roosevelt), liberals not only have the right, but the duty, to question the current regime's methodology and results. And your paper, in its duties as a public forum and watchdog, should encourage responsible dialogue between the differing sides rather than assisting in stoking the fires of irrational hate. The invective in Walker's letter was designed solely to intimidate and close down debate, and your paper aided him to the detriment of not just your community, but the entire nation.

You should be ashamed.

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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 11:52 AM
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33. Great letter!
Bet they don't print it!
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 11:53 AM
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34. Excellent letter - they should be more than ashamed though - they
need to be taken to the woodshed for that letter. And that poor imbecile who published his name - well, good luck my friend is all I can say as, unlike you, I don't wish anything bad on anybody, however, the old expression goes:

You live by the sword, you die by the sword



Not my problem, but even Right-Wing states have at least 40% of their population who completely disagree with the majority.
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mellowinman Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 11:57 AM
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35. I'm glad they printed it.
The world needs to know. Whenever I find a loony cowardly fuck like "John Walker," (as if that's his real name!) I send everybody the link, and draw MORE attention to it.

Moderates need to have the message drummed into their head daily:

HARD CORE BUSH SUPPORTERS FANTASIZE ABOUT KILLING EVERYBODY NOT LIKE THEM.

Today its "the liberals."

Another day its "the Blacks."

Another day its "those homosexuals."

Still another day its "those Catholics," "those Jews," or "those Lutherans."

EVERY day its "those Muslims." Count on it.

When Moore says "we Americans are dumb," they translate it as "Moore hates America," and NOT "Moore would like to see us become more aware of our shortcomings."

When we say "Bush stole power, and subverted the Constitution," they read, "we hate Bush."

These people HATE. They hate with such incredible force as to cause pimples. The more REASONABLE Americans hear this message of hate, the better of we are.

The odds of being killed by a loony fundy are 100 times greater than being killed by an Islamic terrorist.

They're out there.

Don't let 'em get you.

I know I don't plan to.

Fuckers!
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Nobody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 12:02 PM
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36. Nice to know that people can disagree in a civilized manner - NOT!
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 12:05 PM
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37. This cretinous piece of shit hasn't had an original thought

in his life. Goose stepping Mother Fucker!

He would not last long speaking that Filth where I
come from.!
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 12:13 PM
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39. and the newspaper printed it.
Nice Liberal paper. :eyes: Now the media condones killing us. How fitting.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 12:38 PM
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40. anybody have the time to contact the advertisers listed on their site?
I noticed that cars.com and Careerbuilders have advertisements on the front page.
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 01:28 PM
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42. Here's the letter I sent to exec editor and editorial page mgr:
I am speechless.

You do realize you just published a letter endorsing the murder of "liberals" by terrorists? Do you? Not only that, you used the following comment in the letter subject line. Let me refresh your memory:

We ought to offer liberals to terrorists

You must not be aware that we live in an age of instant communication, and this letter and your actions in allowing it to be printed will soon be known to millions of people.

Would you like to print a rebuttal? How about this:

***
Just want to say how much I agree with <name removed> letter. I, too, have had it with the right-wing agenda and right-wings in general.

They have taken our country into a war based on lies, causing the death of over 1000 troops and countless Iraqi civilians, and creating a 500 dollar billion deficit for future generations.

No WMD
No connection between Iraq and Osama Bin Laden. Where is he by the way? Oh, that's right. Bush flip-flopped from wanting him Dead or Alive to saying it didn't matter where he was.

But Sadaam the torturer is gone you say. Oops, guess he was just replaced by us. Darn.

Bush attacked Iraq instead of focusing on Afghanistan, the real hiding place and breeding ground of terrorists, and the right-wingers instead of supporting the effort, twisted the truth. Their twisted view of calling it "sovereignty" or "for their freedoms" or "democracy" or any of the other illogical reasons they have come up with are seditionist.

I am as mad at the right-wings as they profess to be at Clinton. I would jump at the chance to offer up all of them to the terrorists that enjoy beheading Americans.

***

I'd give my name and address, but I'm afraid you might kill me.

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SalParadise Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 03:59 PM
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45. Thanks for the letters to the ed, all.
I hope you'll post any responses you get - I'm interested in how they'll defend this.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 04:07 PM
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46. I'm Probably Wrong, But
Has it not occured to anyone that the letter was printed so the editor could show their local citizens just how ugly these people are?
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SalParadise Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 05:07 PM
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50. I doubt it.
This guy pretty much reflects the opinion of a lot of people here - I don't think there was any underlying intent in publishing the letter one way or another. I think it was just put out as another Mississipian's opinion - which, of course, it is.

My problem with it is that this state has a LONG and sordid history of intolerance & the use of violence to support those opinions. With that kind of track record, it's pretty irresponsible to be giving the pulpit to that kind of hatred.

(IMHO)
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StandUpGuy Donating Member (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:47 AM
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72. Do they usually print letter so poorly written
Edited on Mon Jul-19-04 02:48 AM by StandUpGuy
Worst case scenario this is the best they got to represent that point of view.

Best case the editorial board want to highlight the ugly nature of republicans.

This letter will only rally the fringe if not embarrass them. It will convert no one to that side.

win win
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 04:07 PM
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47. With any luck... he'll try that with some of the more "pro-gun" folks
amongst us.
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greekspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 05:04 PM
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49. Its in Mississippi? What do you expect?
I guess if you are lucky, you get a passable education there. Mississippi is consistantly bringing up the rear in everything. Why? I'll give you a hint...fascists like this guy run the state! I know not everyone there is a fascist or an uneducated bufoon that buys everything FAUX says. But Mississippi seems to have more of their fair share of such types, types that SHOULD be voting democratic, but have blessed the sick marriage between corporate and fundamentalist ideology.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 05:35 PM
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52. Go talk to the voters that you think would or should vote for the
democratic party. What will you find? A majority will tell you that they are afraid that they will lose their jobs if they vote for the dems. The owners of the business, the supervisors of their shifts, the guy who pays them to clean his house or take care of his lawn or repair his car or the company's trucks, all let the fellow know that in some way they will find out how the voter voted. If the fellow votes against the repugs, then that fellow is out of work or the contract is cancelled or whatever monetary control the repug has will seize. Generally, voting apathy or not turning out to vote is self preservation. Got to keep a job, got to feed the kids. It is better that the voter not participate than run the risk of the loss.

This coercive technique is practiced in MS and has been for years. Now guess what, voter id is required. What does that do? It just bolsters the concerns that voting against the repugs will result in bad things for the poor and those most in need of the support of the corporate/rich repugs.

What a place!
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greekspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 05:43 PM
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56. Hmmm...maybe MS would be a good place to send the suggested
UN overseers. A some places in AL and FL as well could use some oversite. AH, but then we would have to hear about how the "one world government UN" was trying to turn America into a commie librul den of Satan.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 05:54 PM
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58. MS has needed UN overseers to monitor elections for years.
The old money and conservative businesses that have controlled the purse strings of many have controlled the election process for years.

It is odd, if you ask folks about the old money and the families that have it, they will defend them as great folks. They have to because to speak out against them means that they will not benefit when the old money folks are feeling generous.

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SalParadise Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 05:54 PM
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57. That's a bit of an exageration, me thinks
The dems usually win the delta (greenwood/greenville) area in most elections & I've never heard of anyone having their vote "discovered".

I think it comes down to the fact that SO many people here are fundies & they completely buy into the whole "family values" crock, despite the fact the repubs economically rape the underclass (most of which the state is comprised of). Add to that, I don't think african-americans really get out & vote in force - if they did, this could easily be a blue state (this is why the dems win the delta area so often, it has an overwhelming majority of A-A's).

I'm not sure what to make of the voter ID stuff - supposedly, there's some amount of voter fraud (doubtful) & supposedly, having to show an ID at the polls somehow intimidates folks (not sure how that is either).
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 06:06 PM
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61. Dems may win in local elections in greenwood/greenville, but we are
talking national. Do an independent investigation. Check the population numbers and determine for yourself how many do not vote in national elections. The dem and/or those races that generally vote for the democratic party are higher than the repugs. There are thousands that do not bother to vote for national elections. The no vote is a powerful as a vote for the repug. You don't have to believe it, but it is true. Ignorance is bliss. Their votes are not discovered, but they are told they can be and they do not want to run the risk of losing their jobs in case they can be, so they don't vote.

It is not an exaggeration, you just don't communicate with the people affected or involved.

You don't have to believe me. You have the right to your opinion as do I.
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playahata1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 01:35 PM
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88. Isn't that AGAINST THE LAW?
An employer holding an employee's job over the employee's head by threatening her/him with termination if s/he does not vote a certain way?

I can certainly imagine that happening in Mississippi. Look at what happened to civil rights activist Fannie Lou Hamer when she began organizing for black voting rights in the 1960s; she and her family were kicked off the land on which they were sharecroppers.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 01:39 AM
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66. Interesting to see someone from the Banana Republic of Florida
casting aspersions upon some other place.

If it weren't for the squalid political corruption of Florida, a lovely place in many other ways, we wouldn't be in this mess.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 06:10 PM
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62. John Walker doesn't share my values.
I guess it's much more damaging to our civil nation to have celebrities making jokes about the president, than it is to have idiots like that suggested a grisly death to those he does not agree with. Someone needs to open a can of whoopass on that man. Nice newspaper.. AND I love how the comma is placed in that one sentence to include liberals with the terrorists.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 06:13 PM
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63. well that pretty much sums it up--take down a man who gassed his own
people and had WMD. That is what the supporters of Bush believe .

And after all, Saddam did not allow the inspectors acces to anything, and after 1998, who know what he had. He is a cruel and evil dictator and he did not comply with the UN, therefore, hey, Bush was right to invade Iraq.

That is what it is being spun into now by those who should know better, since Kerry came out and said he agrees with pre-emptive attack.

Yup-many are suffering now from second thoughts-Bush was right to invade Iraq, because Saddam, an evil dictator, did not fess up and lied and gassed his own people and Bush did the right thing to slaughter ten thousand innocent people, many of them children.

Move on now to the election. Do not ever think of being an idiologue.

Vote for Kerry--is there any other choice?

Anyone think there is something wrong with that?
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ThirdWheelLegend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:54 AM
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74. Marianne
:hug:


TWL
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 01:23 AM
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64. kick
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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 01:28 AM
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65. I'll bet you anything he calls himself a "God fearing Christian"
In what bizzaroworld was Jesus pro-war, pro-torture, pro-killing, and against the poor?

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 01:48 AM
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68. WE turned it into a farce?
What an asshat.

He's just won a coveted spot, as an honorary guest-letter-writer on "Patriotic Merkins Speak Out", a semi-regular feature (these days) in tomorrows edition of my blog. Tune In!

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joanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:03 AM
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69. Kick
:kick:
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JackDragna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:51 AM
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73. Here's a deal..
I'll go hang out with the terrorists if fuckwit Republicans agree to go hang out with the families of the people we've killed in our indiscriminate bombing of Iraqi cities. Deal?
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 04:14 AM
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75. Is this the Jackson, capital city, paper - not an obscure smalltown paper?
Mississippians, is this the major newspaper in Mississippi?
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SalParadise Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 06:25 AM
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77. yes - it's from jackson's (the capital's) main daily.
n/t
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 07:04 AM
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78. Well, SP, that makes their printing that letter all the more unbelievable!
I have close friends in Jackson, liberals; this worries me.
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uhhuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 05:41 AM
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76. This is not only vile
But incredibly stupid. If this idiot really believed that liberals are the terrorists' best friends, why would he think they would kill us?
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 09:56 AM
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79. Since when do CONServatives
give a rat's ass about "horribly oppressed people?" They sure as hell don't care about "oppressed people" in their own country. Just a very weak excuse to justify a horrible wrong war brought to us by a lying, murdering regime, their own.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 09:58 AM
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80. WAAAHHHHHHHHHHH! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
John is about to be marginalized. Must be tough.
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:06 AM
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81. That's where liberals are different
We don't need to kill conservatives...life imprisonment should do just fine.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:24 AM
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82. Has anyone contacted the federal authorities?
Somehow I hardly think this is legal. You can't call for murder.
Both the author and the paper have committed a federal crime in their conjunctive efforts.

By specifically mentioning beheading he has placed himself in the categoty of terrorists; he has effectively made himself into a terrorist. So one has to wonder if he loves to behead Americans himself.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:37 AM
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83. Now there's your Compassionate Conservatism.
How about a nice cup of shut the fuck up.
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bleedingedge Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 12:50 PM
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84. And they wonder why liberals are "so angry". :eom:
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 12:58 PM
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85. How cute! A Stupid Mississippi Conservative Apologist!
Let's see how many of his own flaws he can project onto "liberals!"
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 01:07 PM
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86. Don't the Repugs have to build death camps first?
Or are they going to try to squeeze more than half the population of the USA on Gitmo?
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 01:23 PM
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87. Mr. Walker, I LIVE IN RIDGELAND: BRING IT ON.
And see how fast I kick your candy ass up and down County Line Road. C'mon, you fucking coward! Bring it.

Bake
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