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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 05:24 PM Original message |
Howard Dean opposed to the war, BEFORE THE WAR for those in doubt. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
1. And didn't have to vote on it |
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w13rd0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 05:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Voting on something forces one... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 05:36 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Dean's opinion |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 05:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. You didn't read the speech. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 05:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. But made his voice known before the war started. He also made bold |
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TeacherCreature (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 06:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
25. That is a really bad argument |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 07:24 PM Response to Reply #1 |
65. That's true. Of course, |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
3. February 2003 |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 05:51 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. Kerry was for a number of things as I recall. |
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Bluzmann57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
4. Dean is entitled to his opinion |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 05:45 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. This thread is a continuation of another conversation. |
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westsidexview (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
6. dean lost, move on with kerry |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 05:44 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. I have, but Kerry supporters are still lamenting thus this thread. |
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GodHelpUsAll2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 05:44 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Hmmmmm |
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westsidexview (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 05:52 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. a divided democratic party equals a republican victory. |
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GodHelpUsAll2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 06:24 PM Response to Reply #13 |
27. Hmmmmm |
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westsidexview (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 06:30 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. what are you talking about? try ohmmm instead of hmmm |
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GodHelpUsAll2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 06:36 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Note to self |
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westsidexview (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 06:48 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. i can smell flatus but that is not making an intelligent comment |
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GodHelpUsAll2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 06:57 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Another note to self |
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westsidexview (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 07:07 PM Response to Reply #41 |
49. lol |
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GodHelpUsAll2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 06:53 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. Just an FYI |
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westsidexview (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 07:02 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. values? democratic or republican issue? |
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GodHelpUsAll2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 07:09 PM Response to Reply #44 |
52. Oh well |
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westsidexview (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 07:20 PM Response to Reply #52 |
63. any time zero is divided it always equals zero |
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GodHelpUsAll2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 09:19 PM Response to Reply #63 |
75. Glad to know |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 05:53 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Words aren't important any more, it's all about who says the words |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
15. Dean did a good job of straddling the issue. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 06:06 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Oh puleeze. Dean was opposed unless Saddam was shown to be an immediate |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 06:14 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. I am quoting. I'm sorry if you don't want to face facts. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 07:08 PM Response to Reply #22 |
51. HERE'S THE FACTS, DEAN MAINTAINED THE CASE FOR WAR WAS NOT MADE. |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 07:20 PM Response to Reply #51 |
64. That point is not in dispute. Please take caps lock off. It's not polite. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 07:50 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. So Kerry supported the regime change. |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 08:06 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. You are trying to manufacture a disagreement where there is none. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 06:53 PM Response to Reply #15 |
40. More from the Salon article, can be read other ways. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 07:04 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. Deleted message |
madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 10:31 PM Response to Reply #15 |
80. And a lot more context from the last article you posted. |
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Fleshdancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
16. this is exactly why I supported Dean in the primaries |
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NoPasaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
17. Yes, Dean lost the nomination |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 06:07 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. I fully agree with you. |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 06:08 PM Response to Original message |
20. The problem is that Deans "position" has always been inconsistant |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 06:26 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. No it's been consistant. The position has always been as such: |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
21. Does being a representitive of 1 constituent or 12 million |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 06:27 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. I'm not trashing Kerry, just responding to the absurd suggestion that he |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 07:18 PM Response to Reply #29 |
62. Fair enough! |
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TeacherCreature (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
23. and here is a link from March 2003 |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
24. Dean's position, as I understand it, was this |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 06:33 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. Biden - Lugar limited the agenda to WMD only. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 06:40 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. OK, now here's Biden/Lugar as I understand it. :-) |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 07:10 PM Response to Reply #34 |
53. I think your correct in your assesment, but ... |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 07:15 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Right--I don't know exactly how things would have gone with B/L |
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TeacherCreature (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 06:42 PM Response to Reply #24 |
35. Here is what he says |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 06:43 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. I have a notebook somewhere filled with Dean quotes |
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leeroysphitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
26. Howard Dean opposed to the war, BEFORE THE WAR |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 10:01 PM Response to Reply #26 |
78. Welcome Leeroy! |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
30. He supported Biden-Lugar, as did Kerry |
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TeacherCreature (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 06:44 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. No |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 06:58 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. That speech will go down in history along with the Feb. 17 one. |
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GodHelpUsAll2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 07:01 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. It will never happen |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 07:34 PM Response to Reply #43 |
69. They are both using his exact words now. I guess I am glad. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 08:28 PM Response to Reply #43 |
72. That's my Dean...he always said he would support the |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 07:08 PM Response to Reply #37 |
50. Which was five months after the vote we're talking about |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 07:12 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. There is also no question that Bush did not support Biden/Lugar. |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 07:14 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Yeah |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 07:17 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Yes we are. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 07:03 PM Response to Reply #30 |
46. Some info on Biden Lugar |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 07:13 PM Response to Reply #46 |
56. You'll get no question from me that Biden-Lugar was a superior resolution |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 07:17 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. If you compare the text of B/L with the rez that passed the differences |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 07:26 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. Legally and PR-wise, I don't think it would have mattered |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 07:33 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Actually Bush started the liberation meme before he invaded. |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 07:26 PM Response to Reply #59 |
67. Evil Dupe |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
45. Here is a stark contrast in words after Powell's UN speech last year. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 07:04 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. THERE IT IS! |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 07:13 PM Response to Reply #45 |
55. Good pick--I'd say it's consistent with their stances and votes |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 07:18 PM Response to Reply #55 |
61. We agree on that. |
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hansolsen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 08:34 PM Response to Reply #45 |
73. Max Cleland is a Dean Democrat at heart |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 08:39 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Good for Max, and I also hope they will back him. They must. |
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hansolsen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 11:51 PM Response to Reply #74 |
81. Yes, and it may all be a strategy to let the surrogates deliver the heat |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
76. Rock on Molly! |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 09:58 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Thanks Darboy. |
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mandyky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
79. Pretty sad you have to qualify with "supporting Kerry" |
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