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scottxyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:45 AM
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I just realized what the anti-gay-marriage people are... TROLLS!
Edited on Tue Jul-20-04 12:57 AM by scottxyz
Check out this very deep article by Thomas Frank and you'll see why:

http://tinyurl.com/4qu4w
(This tinyurl is a link to a NYTimes article - bypasses the free registration.)

All these idiots who try to distract us by yelling about gay marriage and flag burning and abortion (instead of the bigger issues like jobs and war) are just TROLLS!

{Edited - changed "real" to "bigger" in response to a later post.}

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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:46 AM
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1. Before I click the link
is tinyurl some kind of spyware?
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:49 AM
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3. No, but you never know what is under the link, so I never click through
Tinyurl makes a url smaller, but it also hides the source.
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scottxyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:50 AM
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5. Don't worry about tinyurl, it's just a way to make the link shorter
Actually the link is to a NY Times article. The tinyurl does 2 things:

(1) makes the link shorter

(2) avoids having to subscribe to NYT.

If you ever have a long website address you want to use, go to tinyurl.com and it will create a shorter one for you.

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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 01:22 AM
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11. tinyurl sounds cool
Thanks for the info.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:47 AM
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2. About time you caught on!
What else could they be.
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scottxyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:52 AM
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8. I just never used the word "troll" before pertaining to Congress
"Trolling" seems to be a phenomenon we've discovered on the web - people who deliberately post an inflammatory comment for the purpose of hijacking a discussion.

Funny how I was so aware of this phenomenon on the web, but I've never thought of applying it to Congress.

"Congress and the media are full of trolls!" Has kind of a nice ring to it...

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:49 AM
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4. What took you so long?
I have especially thought that of the abortion shit. I have even complained about it to administration, however, since it's a whiney women's gender issue, it goes unnoticed.
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no one in particular Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:50 AM
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6. 'Real Issues' is a relative thang...
Everyone has 'hot button' issues.

There are plenty of Democrats against flag burning, gay marriage and abortion. Why is it surprising that Repubs should try to use those as a wedge?
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 03:03 AM
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12. It's only partly a wedge...
the point is they're deliberately playing to lose to get the "sympathy vote."

Been hearing this a lot lately. The gay marriage thing is a perfect example-- they knew they had no chance, but the distraction of the grandstanding loss played brilliantly.

It made all the news, and sounded like bad news, but it overwhelmed the really bad news about Iraq, Plame, 9/11 commission, etc. Not only was it a distraction, but it made them martyrs when it went down in defeat. Now they can whine about all those nasty liberals trying to get us good, Christian Americans to have sex with dogs and marry box turtles.

Win by losing-- brilliant. Just keep picking fights you can't win and build the outrage over the loss.

They've become the party of the whiners with their constant outrage at Democratic strawmen and tilting at windmills. And it's working pretty well.

Can't work forever, but they only have to go to November.



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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:51 AM
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7. I don't think so. Here is the full url to clilck on if you want.
OP-ED CONTRIBUTOR
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/16/opinion/16FRAN.html?ex=1247716800&en=5726dfc1afcfede4&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland
Failure Is Not an Option, It's Mandatory
By THOMAS FRANK

Published: July 16, 2004

ASHINGTON

For three days this week the nation was transfixed by the spectacle of the United States Senate, in all its august majesty, doing precisely the opposite of statesmanlike deliberation. Instead, it was debating the Federal Marriage Amendment, which would not only have discriminated against a large group of citizens, but also was doomed to defeat from the get-go. Everyone knew this harebrained notion would never draw the two-thirds majority required for a constitutional amendment, and yet here were all these conservatives lining up to speak for it, wasting day after day with their meandering remarks about culture while more important business went unattended. What explains this folly?

Not simple bigotry, as some pundits declared, or even simple politics. While it is true that the amendment was a classic election-year ploy, it owes its power as much to a peculiar narrative of class hostility as it does to homophobia or ideology. And in this narrative, success comes by losing.

For more than three decades, the Republican Party has relied on the "culture war" to rescue their chances every four years, from Richard Nixon's campaign against the liberal news media to George H. W. Bush's campaign against the liberal flag-burners. In this culture war, the real divide is between "regular people" and an endlessly scheming "liberal elite." This strategy allows them to depict themselves as friends of the common people even as they gut workplace safety rules and lay plans to turn Social Security over to Wall Street. Most important, it has allowed Republicans to speak the language of populism.

The amendment may have failed as law, but as pseudopopulist theater it was a masterpiece. Each important element of the culture-war narrative was there. Consider first its choice of targets: while the Senate's culture warriors denied feeling any hostility to gay people, they made no secret of their disgust with liberal judges, a tiny, arrogant group that believes it knows best in all things and harbors an unfathomable determination to run down American culture and thus made this measure necessary.

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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:54 AM
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9. Both Brock and Franks explain why the GOP uses these issues
They are used to lure the poor and working poor and the religious to their party even though their party only works for the rich. It keeps everyone sidetracked while the rich get richer.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 01:01 AM
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10. They also do things like call others "Girley Men"
Frankly I think the tricks are wearing rather thin



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