Michael Moore responds to Aladdin hotel regarding Ronstadt

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Moore fallout

"Fahrenheit 9/11" filmmaker Michael Moore sent a scathing note to Aladdin President Bill Timmins late Monday, saying Timmins owes Linda Ronstadt an apology for her removal from the hotel Saturday night after her concert.

Moore said booting Ronstadt out of the Aladdin was "stupid and un-American."

He asked Timmins to "invite her back and I'll join her in singing 'America the Beautiful' on your stage. Then I will show 'Fahrenheit 9/11' free of charge to all your guests," Moore wrote on his Web site, www.michael

moore.com/words/index.php.
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http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2004/Jul-20-Tue-2004/news/24349128.html

[mandyky]

1. WTG Michael Moore

Thanks for sticking up for Linda!

[Robin Hood]

2. It's weird that the Casino owners would be freepers.

But it makes sense when you consider how much of the strip the Saud family probably owns. We are an occupied country. Welsome to the United Staes of Saudi Arabia.

[Atman]

3. No it isn't...they rely on dumb-ass freepers to make a living

They need to keep them happy. Some other country yokel singing "God Bless the US of A, My Pickup Truck, Flannel and Your Kid Sister" might have been a better choice, in retrospect.

What I find funny is the number of stories which don't report that people "stormed out" during...her encore. I don't know about you, but I almost always leave during the end of the encore to beat the rush at the door. Having people leave during the encore was, I'd bet, only partly because of MM's dedication. It takes a tough, principled freeper to walk out on a show that's already over.

[BiggJawn]

4. Well, they gotta get their $98's worth, y'know...

Doesn't stop them from storming the box office, though...

I've been to Las Vegas. Fat, obnoxious , loud assholes, the most popular ride in town is the stretch-Hummer limo.

Lots of old men with girls young enough to be their grand-daughters, etc.....

Strange town....

[fudge stripe cookays]

7. I've never had any desire to go to Vegas. Ever.

Precisely for this reason.

Take the bounds of bad taste and stretch them to the breaking point. Ugh.

On a related note, we were watching our "Bush in 30 Seconds" viddy before our Fox party Sunday evening, and during the awards ceremony for the commercials, Janeane Garofalo quoted someone very important. Then she followed that with... "He also said, all those who drive white stretch Hummers are douchebags. That's a lesser known fact."

So now I think of that whenever I see a Hummer!

[BiggJawn]

16. It's a boring town, actually...

I go there every year for a convention. I don't fuck strangers, drink, or smoke cigars, and my "gambling" is limited to playing the slots, but since most houses have machines that pay-off with paper vouchers instead of quarters or nickels (told you I'm a cheap-ass) even that is boring now.

So when I'm not pounding the convention floor, I'm looking for different cuisine, watching the fountain, or stuffing myself at Todai...:-)

[ProfessorGAC]

18. You're Right!

I went a few times for conventions. I found ONE really good band, and all the rest ranged from pathetic to just ok.

I don't gamble, didn't have time to play golf (except a driving range), if i'm drinking beer, i don't have to go 1500 miles to do that, and i'm not really interested in the kind of big shows they do there. (A little schmaltzy for my taste.)

The one time i went that i really enjoyed is when the Hilton had the Star Trek Experience. Combination museum and interactive thrill ride based around the Next Gen stuff. That was pretty cool. I went twice.

Actually, that's kind of funny. For me the best thing in Vegas was a Star Trek thing!
The Professor

[fudge stripe cookays]

19. Yep, that's about the only reason I could think of to go....

Star Trek. I've heard about it. reprehensor and I are both Shat fans. I'm an original gal. I don't watch any of the spin-offs.

What I don't understand is the whole "theme hotel" thing. Instead of going to a cheesy hotel that LOOKS like Italy or Egypt or a circus, why don't you go to the real thing?

Authenticism. It counts for a lot. Everything about that place is fake.

Yecccch.

[stickdog]

66. Vegas is a theme park for low grade adults.

You can have some fun if you treat it that way, but you must have some reason to be there other than to have a vacation.

[WolverineDG]

56. mmmmmm todai

i love that place! :)

too bad it's in the desert passage that's connected to the aladdin....

oh well. there are other places in vegas to go to (and not necessarily on the strip or gambling-related either). the best place i've found to play slots is terrible's....

dg

[Marvelous_Smarty]

40. Umm..

I drive a Hummer.:shrug:

[buycitgo]

41. who cares?

you should be ashamed of yourself, not bragging about it

[Marvelous_Smarty]

46. Well,

I am being lumped in as the lowest of all life forms because I drive one. Does owning one disqualify me from the Democratic Party or what?

[buycitgo]

48. did I say that?

but, seriously, what were you thinking?

people who buy Hummers remind me of insecure jr high kids with more money than they know what to do with?

using it for business to get a TAX WRITE OFF?

enjoy yourself

[Marvelous_Smarty]

54. I bought it

because I got a great deal. I own a full service gas station and sell a car here every once in a while. The H2 is a theft recovery. The insurance company had already settled with the original owner when they recovered it.

I plan to sell it and will turn a nice easy profit. I just want to enjoy it for a while.

[Moloch]

65. No It shouldn't disqualify you from the party, but I gotta ask...

What were you thinking?

Oh well, you'll regret it when gas its $3.50 a gallon...

[Kanary]

44. So, that means you've enlisted to go fight for your oil, right?

Have fun on that desert sand, bub

[Marvelous_Smarty]

47. I fought in the first one.

Don't remember seeing you there, Dude. But just so you won't think I would only fight for the Bushes, I also served in Somalia. Got shot in the face, there by the way.

[Kanary]

50. You're needed in IRAQ, NOW.... PRONTO!!!

Get thee to an enlistment office, NOW!

[Selwynn]

51. owned.

[buycitgo]

52. uhhhhhhhh, you DO know who sent the troops in there, don't you?

somehow, I'm having trouble believing much of what you say

is it just me?

let;s have some details of your rank, service, specialty, etc

not saying you're making things up, just curious

seems like you'd know who got us embroiled in that fiasco, instead of blaming it on Clinton

get my drift?

[Marvelous_Smarty]

53. I served from

1987 until 1994.

Got out as an E-5P (promotable to E-6, I had already gone to the board). My MOS was 11-C when I enlisted. Basically a heavy infantryman. My MOS was changed to 11-B after Ranger School (Ranger Class 13-87).

Bush 41 sent troops to Somalia. Those were Marines. Rangers went in on Bill Clinton's watch. I am not blaming Clinton. I was serving and would go where whoever was CINC sent me.

[buycitgo]

58. so you'd go into, say, Spain, if bush decided they were

collaborating with AlQaeda by pulling out from Iraq?

[Marvelous_Smarty]

59. If I was serving,

yes I would. I swore an oath. I ENLISTED to serve. I had brother Rangers depending on me. I had soldiers in my squad I was responsible for. I had a mission to complete.

[Robin Hood]

64. You can ignore your conscience based on an oath?

That is sooooo dangerous. Many a men have commited atrocities because they disowned their body and soul to the state. No matter what the oath, you have to do what is right. Oaths are meant to be broken, conscience is not.

[Marvelous_Smarty]

67. Unless you have served,

it is really hard to understand. Especially if one is serving in an elite unit. I shed blood in the service. I am proud of my military service and wear the scars proudly.

I do not think my service makes any better or worse than anyone though.

[fudge stripe cookays]

62. Your point?

I'm sorry if you're offended, but to me they are simply a penis extension, and a gas-guzzling waste.

If you don't like people classifying you that way, I'd suggest a thicker skin or a more practical vehicle.

FSC

[Obamarama]

55. God gave you that instinct for a reason, Fudge Stripe. Follow it.

Las Vegas is a hell hole. I had never been till last year. Never planned to go, either, until I had to go to a work related trade show there.

I wasn't even out of the airport and was wishing I could get back on the plane for the turnaround flight back to DTW.

Oh. My. God. It was breathtakingly horrendous, what I saw of it anyway. I pretty much stuck to my room at Paris. I had coordinate our tradeshow activities so I was up early and turned in late.

The show was at Paris Las Vegas and right next door was this Aladdin place. The one night I did venture out onto the strip (co-workers basically forced me), we went into the casino there. What a dump.
I can't imagine Linda playing this place. Ugh.

[fudge stripe cookays]

61. Ever see "You've Got Mail?"

Tom Hanks hates his "stepmother", who's about the same age.

She has horrible taste in furnishings, so he comments that she got her decorating degree at Caesar's Palace.

THAT'S how I think of Vegas. Animal prints, gaudy satin....blegh.

Thanks for reassuring me that my thoughts are correct, Kzoo!

Perhaps the fact that my ex-stepmonster wanted to take my mom THERE to get married always soured me on it as well. What honorable guy takes a woman to Vegas if he takes their relationship seriously?

I don't need a church, necessarily- we were married at a neat little multi-use place, but I need something more than a wedding chapel in Vegas.

That says to me you value your wedding about as much as you value the relationship itself.

[Literate Tar Heel]

22. the thing that's pissing me off about the coverage on MSNBC

is that every time this woman mentions the story she talks about "a quarter of the 4500 angry fans" storming out ... how does she know that all 4500 fans were angry?

[SemperEadem]

43. the Aladin doesn't hold 4500 people.

"Like a musical Moses staging a song-fueled parting of the Red Sea, the veteran star instantly split her sold-out audience of 1,360 in two. "

sounds like another right wing talking points memo to me.

[Lerkfish]

9. are you kidding?

the mafia is extremely right wing. Why do you think Wayne Newton was standing next to daughter bush at a rally? not for his entertainment values.

[Panicroom]

25. There was almost a riot

Her removal was probably for safety reasons.

[sangh0]

30. uh-huh

and Bush* is a strong leader

[maggrwaggr]

31. The casino owner is a LIAR. There was no "bedlam", no "ugly scene"

<<Some concert-goers disputed his account, saying that although there were a few unruly people in attendance, the audience generally enjoyed the concert, even after the comments about Moore.>>

He's a fucking right-wing LIAR.

And the press is repeating his LIES.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/arts/national/2004/07/20/Arts/ronstadt040720.html

[bobbyboucher]

34. Whatev.

Bad start.

[buycitgo]

42. sez YOU

I heard a reporter today, on the radio, who was THERE, and said nobody tossed drinks, made trouble of any kind

that person was there

who you going to believe?

[Cheswick2.0]

5. Gotta love Mike

I forgive him for his phony rhetoric in 2000. I am now a MM fan again.

[trumad]

6. Here's the link on his page

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php

[TeacherCreature]

8. Did you read the bit about the NAACP?

This is all very encouraging

[goclark]

29. I missed it, what happened?

[Cha]

11. Welcome to the Michael Moore

fan club! Of which I am an enthusiastic member:D

[MODemocrat]

49. Michael Moore is a phenomenon

He just amazes me, and I'm an avid fan. I'm hoping to see F-911 for my 54th wedding anniversary this week. (Yes, I'm an old dude.) :bounce: :thumbsup:

[Cha]

10. Class act ..all the way..Michael Moore, thank you!

As for the aladdin and bill timmins...how unclassy you are ..typical repuke behaviour...storming the place ..herd mentality..not letting Linda Ronstandt even go to her dressing room.

Oh, I hope there are major recercussions for the aladdin because of this.

[goddess40]

12. No more Alladin

This is Goddess40's mom. I also wrote to Timmins at Aladdin. Told him my party of 7 that makes an annual trip to Vegas will no longer gamble or eat at Aladdin as we have been doing. Said he should have kicked out the ones causing the disturbance and there were probably as many in the audience who agreed with Linda as those who didn't. Told him he had no courage and did not support freedom of speech. Said he owes Linda and all her fans an apology.

[fudge stripe cookays]

20. Way to go Goddess's mom!!!!

Give em hell!

[Beloved Citizen]

13. I'd say I would boycott the place...

...but honestly I wouldn't go with 10 miles of a hellhole like that.

A rat's maze of flashing lights and clanking bells designed with the express purpose of swindling the absurdly delusional.

[trumad]

14. as oppossed to a campground?

ease up...Vegas is a blast.....

[Beloved Citizen]

21. Sure, if the sight of vast herds of fat folks in polyster...

...plodding from casino to casino in the hot desert sun is the kind of thing that turns you on.

[trumad]

33. No... but poker tables, great shows, wonderful food, great pools

fantastic night life... Babes galore, etc.... er ok...It's bad..:eyes:

[Beloved Citizen]

37. You don't get that kind of thing at home?

B-)

[trumad]

39. In Orlando..Please!!!

:-)

[Beloved Citizen]

60. I'm sorry.

Now you've made me feel rotten. Move to LA, dude. It really is paradise.

[LuminousX]

15. I'm planning a Vegas trip

I can't honestly say Aladdin was on my potential list of hotels, but I can guarantee it is off my list.

[spanone]

17. Love Ya, Mikey!!!!!!

I wouldn't put a penny in an Alladin slot machine. Fuck You Mr. Timmons and your Hotel.

[LibDemAlways]

23. Michael Moore

is my hero - absolutely unafraid to stand up to these wingnut assholes.

I'm incensed that the whores are pretty much ignoring this story. To throw an entertainer out of a hotel because she made a few political comments is something that ought to concern everyone. Pretty soon the repukes will insist that all Dems have a "D" tatooed on their foreheads so they can be denied entry into repuke-run hotels, restaurants etc.

Last week I posted a letter a woman had written to the LA Times about a restaurant in Oxnard, CA where every Sunday AM the owner interrupts the diners to make a pro-war speech and then cajoles everyone in the place to stand up and sing along to a boombox rendition of God Bless America while the wait staff locks arms and sways back and forth.

This kind of shit should be called out at every opportunity.

I'd like to see Dems protest on the sidewalk outside the Aladdin, urging people to stay away - at least until Ronstadt receives a public apology.

[Bridget Burke]

24. No, avoid the sidewalks outside the Aladdin.

It's going to be over 100 degrees every day. We all need to survive until November, at least. Leaving our bleached bones in Nevada won't help the election.

Just make other plans. Spend your money elsewhere.

[dwckabal]

45. What restaurant is that?

I live in Oxnard, and I certainly don't want to patronize that place!

[LibDemAlways]

63. It's Mrs. Olson's Coffee Hut

on or near Hollywood Beach. The letter writer was very offended that she was served warmongering with her pancakes.

[GreenPartyVoter]

26. Michael kicks more freeper butt. You go, mike!

[proud patriot]

27. Huzzah

:toast:

[hippiegranny]

28. why oh why do right wingers hate America so much?

why do they hate free speech? they're always the ones shouting about how the wars we oppose fight for our right to free speech, right before they get somebody fired for exercizing it. You know, these are the very people who need to love or leave it, not us.

[Joanne98]

38. They hate us because of our freedom

Don't ya know???????:)

[Tight_rope]

32. Alright Mike!

Carry on with the good work!

[SoCalDem]

35. He should offer a tour bus pick up of any Aladdin guests

who want to see the movie for free.. The hotel would not like to see hundreds of guests lined up to LEAVE the casino for a few hours :evilgrin:

and maybe he could finagle a discount at some other hotel for people that would INCLUDE a free ticket to the show :)


Think outside the box :)

[maggrwaggr]

36. the whole story is a lie

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2027640&mesg_id=2027640

[Sugarbleus]

57. I was just going to bring this up... I though it weird that "Sin City"

could be sooooooooo "conservative"...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3908847.stm