What's up with this Sandy Berger business?

[quisp]

all the ditto-monkeys here at work are at a fever pitch over this. Here's an example
<snip>What the heck is this guy doing? Does this mean the 9-11 Commission didn't receive all pertinent information of the terrorist threats and strategies from the Clinton Administration? If they did then why did Berger have to "inadvertantly" steal the documents? or Was this a "CYA" because maybe Berger (or better yet, President Clinton) wasn't so truthful or forthcoming to the 9-11 Commission. Did they lie? What did they know and when did they know it? Time to call the special prosecutor. I wonder what Ken Starr is doing these days? </snip>


andy help in shutting them up is appreciated.

[Cats Against Frist]

1. I don't have the answer

but I'm totally impressed with your impression of a bunch of freepers running around with their heads cut off.

[ezee]

2. CNN OR MSNBC

reported ( I can't be sure which station I had on at the time) this am that they were COPIES of papers and that nothing "really" is missing, just copies.

[Redhead488]

4. Yeah, he's most likely only in trouble for

mishandling classified documents...I don't think he was trying to hide anything from the commission.

[gasperc]

5. and that whole "sock stuffing" bullshit, Karl Rove needs to come up

with better lies to report as fact

[Redhead488]

9. Berger admitted taking the documents out

I didn't see anything about sock-stuffing though.

[gasperc]

20. appartently Hemmer(CNN) mentioned it this morning

and Lanny Davis landed him on it for using an unknown, un-named source making the accusation

[Redhead488]

23. Heard on the radio this morning in DC

that Berger admitted it and was cooperating with the FBI according to an FBI spokesman. Don't know if it is 100% accurate; I hope not.

[underpants]

10. DavidGergen blew it out of the water on the Today Show

He said that close associates of Bergers told him the exact same thing. It was copies and the 9/11 commission had everything they needed AND the originals are still at the archives.

Couric asked if it was simply a diversion from the report to be released this week and Gergen said that the timing was "suspicious".

[Redhead488]

13. If that's the case, he may only

be fined for this. He may lose his security clearances as well, though.

[Wickerman]

3. Ken Starr is still out whoring for the Republican party

same as the old days. I find it extremely telling your office mates are thinking of special prosecutors for Clinton again and completely choose to ignore the myriad of sins of GWB* and fiends.

[Brotherjohn]

6. It's a fishing expedition dredged up to distract from the coming Plame...

... indictments.

This is what they'll say:
"So what if the Vice President's Chief of Staff has been indicted. Clinton's National Security Adviser is also under investigation by the Justice Department!"


The current accusations against Berger will likely get forgotten in the coming months and produce nothing (although with it being Bush's Justice Dept., I'm not so sure). But the important thing is the timing. The Plame indictments are going to be announced very soon, by all accounts. If this is in the news at the same time, it will have the effect of dulling the impact of the Plame indictments in most voters' mines: "Oh well, I guess they're all corrupt."

Goebbels would be jealous of this bunch.

[JayS]

7. Bergergate? :)

[underpants]

11. Diversion, BS, "advises Kerry", mute the 9/11 report

all of that.

[Robbien]

8. Cheney has not released Energy meeting papers for almost 3 years

But Berger has copies of sensitive documents and the GOP wants him prosecuted.

Sure, it is okay that we stumble around in blackouts and pay four times as much for electricity while Energy traders make crude jokes about us little people. But let a Democrat get near a xerox machine and the GOP is ready to cut off heads.

[mac56]

12. Please, let them go there. Please, let them go there. Please...

I'd love to see the Repubs try to make a case out of this. Cheney's energy papers will be thrown back in their faces so fast it'll give them whiplash.

[jor_mama]

27. Nah ... there will be quid pro quo here

This will soon be swept under the proverbial cabinet and some GOP story will also disappear. This is their chance to buy some forgiveness, so to speak.

[Raven]

14. What's this business of Berger stuffing the papers in his pants???

I've heard this reported on the radio three times already with the clear implication that Berger admitted stuffing the papers in his pants. Anybody know what really happened?

[Redhead488]

15. IF that's true, then that's pretty bad.

[mac56]

17. Let's keep our powder dry until we see some names with those sources.

Don't light the torches and head for the castle just yet.

[Redhead488]

19. Hence the IF in all caps..

[mac56]

25. Sorry, didn't mean to offend.

Hard to tell with just two letters. Mea culpa.

[Redhead488]

26. No problem!

Just don't want to be accused of saying is something is true when all we have now are sketchy reports.

[JayS]

28. FOX does it all the time. :) n/t

n/t

[mememe]

32. Berger was just a shade too literal-minded

He had heard someone describe the documents as 'CYA' memos and that's why he though he should stuff them down his pants. He was literally trying to cover his ...... with them.

[trof]

16. CNN quotes "high level gov't. official(s)" =

Rove, et al.
Nuff said.

[Flubadubya]

18. Berger Bomb!

Yep, it's the Berger Time Bomb, in fact. Timed just before the 9/11 report and the imminent release of the Plame indictments. Watch out any high-profile Dems. You are prime target to become chopped liver in the RWing meat grinder. Ack! :puke:

[leftofthedial]

21. it's a bushgang plumbers operation

[kentuck]

22. ...and connected to the Plame affair ?

..to minimize the impact of exposing a CIA agent by someone in this Administration, they can say, "Hey, we're not the only ne ot abuse intelligence information, look at JOe Wilson and Sandy Berger" ??? A "close adviser" to John Kerry, the Democratic candidate for President...

[gpandas]

24. desperation is really...

apparent in this repugnant mistake. they are runnin' scared, folks.

[underpants]

29. LINK to video

Link to MSNBC already on Gergen's own website
http://www.davidgergen.com/index.php?page=appearances&item=512

"..more innocent than it looks..."

"..one of the heroes of the war on terror..."

"copies...of internal documents..after action review of the millennium....self assessment"

"investigations started MONTHS ago...he hasn't heard from them in WEEKS"

"suspicious to some of his colleagues"

"not clear the investigation is still underway"

Distractioin?---"it has those overtones"

He went on to say that the Washington Post does not have this on the front page so how the media covers it will decide how much it matters but added that if Berger had to leave the Kerry campaign that would harm their preperation, as he has been an integral part of formulating their national security policy, at this point.

[Mr.Green93]

30. were there hidden cameras in the vault?

[alfredo]

31. It has buried the Cheney trading with the enemy story

You know the one about him trading with Iran.

[Yupster]

33. My opinion

it's not going to be a big deal in the end,

nut,

certainly of anyone in America, Sandy Berger knew better than to take any classified documents. There's not any excuse for it and there needs to be some punishment.

I read in USA Today today that there's still a few things missing which he inadvertantly threw in the garbage. Sorry Sandy, no matter what they were, we can't have classified stuff being thrown out in your local garbage. If you take the stuff, at least take care of it.

[Robbien]

34. The original poster here raises the RW talking point and runs away

Noticed he also dumped a RW talking point thread over in the Conservative forum and never responded there either.

Wonder why?

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

35. Yeah, a bit tiresome ain't it? "I just want to know how to respond to my

RW friends". Rather transparent.