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Blecht Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 10:19 AM
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October surprise petition
Steven Leser over at The Dumbya Chronicles started a petition to call attention to the possibility of Bush using an "October Surprise" in an attempt to steal another election. Here is the text of the petition:
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    To: All Registered Voters

    No October Surprises, Mr. Bush!

    We the undersigned request and exhort the President and all members of the Executive Branch of the United States and their supporters to allow this Presidential election to proceed in a clean and democratic way.

    We demand that no October Surprises be foisted on the American electorate along the lines of, but by no means limited to:

    1. The sudden "capture" of Osama bin-Laden.
    It has been rumored for months that bin-Laden has in fact been captured and that this administration is waiting until just before election day to display him to the American public in the hopes that this will boost Bush's results in the election. We hope this is nothing but a rumor and urban legend, but let this serve notice to this administration that we are watching and will educate the public on this!

    2. Surprise unveiling of a missile defense shield.
    It is our understanding (Thanks to the folks at CLG in their July 14th report and GSN in their July 2nd report) that U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has quietly ordered elements of a long-range missile defense system to begin operating on Oct. 1, four weeks before the 2004 presidential election, according to a U.S. military official (see GSN, July 2). Rumsfeld’s order appears to be a closely held secret.

    This is an unacceptable use of a multi-billion dollar taxpayer funded project to prop up this administration's election returns. A few weeks will not be enough for the press and public to adequately determine the effectiveness of the system or to adequately discuss and debate whether such a system even makes sense given that the country's primary external threat is now terrorism in general and in particular individual small terror cells with no access to complex ballistic missile technology.

    3. Flooding the market with cheap oil in the months leading up to the election, or other short term economic manipulation.
    This administration should be judged on their true impact on the American economy for better or for worse.

    In addition to signing this petition, we ask the signers write their opinions at this forum---> http://www.network54.com/Forum/328852

    Sincerely,

    The Undersigned

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View and sign the petition here. And after you sign it, be sure to visit the October Surprises forum dedicated to the petition to make a comment or suggest other possible October surprises.

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wadestock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 10:33 AM
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1. A Missile Defense Shield?
Why is that on the list....
I thought you were trying to make a strong correlation between the surprise and the apparent "win"?

The REAL BS which may be perpetrated is an apparent terrorist attack and/or capture here in the US.....thus supporting the notion that homeland security is no track and we can't "deviate the course".

But here's the catch 22...
If they fake an attack....or start spreading some anthrax...that may backfire in terms of people viewing the present admin as not focusing on homeland security. So you're running the risk exploiting the fear factor vs the practicality of people saying the admin hasn't done what's necessary to thwart terrorism in the first place.

I think the real thing to look for might be in the domain of "arms for hostages" type crap....

Whereby the admin makes some deal...either with key people in Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Iran, god knows where....as part of a deal to portray a rosy picture of US intervention into the region.

This is the underhanded type of politics they're capable of and why it will generically be presented as a "surprise".
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Steven Leser Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 11:00 AM
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4. True, but this is the point...
Hi Wadestock, everyone!

There are a number of things we are attempting to accomplish with this petition.

#1 - Educate everyone on the possibility of one or more October Surprises.

#2 - Create an all inclusive list of potential surprises to include anything that might be a last minute distraction, or merely an attempt to grab the publicity spotlight.

#3 - Show the administration and its election management, by force of numbers on the petition, that people are aware and are watching.

Please help us, both by signing the petition and participating in the discussion!

Steven Leser
The Dumbya Chronicles
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 01:51 PM
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10. Hi Steven Leser!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Steven Leser Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 02:01 PM
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11. Hi New Yawker, from a fellow New Yawker...
LOL! I'm an emigree from Florida. Was an observer at the Pinellas Recounts. Yug
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Blecht Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 10:54 AM
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2. kick (n/t)
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Isere Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 10:57 AM
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3. October Surprises can come in many forms
It could be "Bin Laden on a Platter" or it could be a Fox News-fueled "scandal" about Kerry or Teresa. Or it could be another anthrax attack. Last night on KGO, Ray Taliaferro or one of his callers mentioned that the anthrax attacks on Democratic senators was timed just before the vote on the Patriot Act.....

hmmmmmmmm....


And, by the way, The Dumby Chronicles is a pretty simpatico place. It's freeper-free, too. You can join here: http://www.network54.com/Group/19449
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Steven Leser Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 11:14 AM
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6. Hadn't thought about another Anthrax attack...
...will have to add that to the list.


http://www.petitiononline.com/october/petition.html">Petition
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wadestock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:21 PM
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9. Why no further investigations.....or science....
to show that the anthrax was in fact "home grown".

Why no outrage that this fed directly into the hype that WMD could be used against us.

Ironically....the real lesson of 911 was that you DON'T need WMD to wreak 1 Trillion worth of damage and cause mass killings.

I have to conclude at this point that the anthrax "scare" has accomplished what it intended to accomplish....ie...sell the idea of WORLD WAR against terrorism.

It wouldn't have the same effect the second time around....and could be perceived as Bush being deficient on homeland security.

Doesn't that give you a bit of peace in the heart?
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Steven Leser Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 02:02 PM
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12. Yes, exactly what is the status of the Anthrax investigation???
You never hear anything about it.
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Blecht Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 03:16 PM
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13. Nobody cares
Especially when Martha is going to jail, and Scott killed Lacy, and Kobe raped somebody, etc.
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yella_dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 11:14 AM
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5. October Surprise Scenario #1153
The "missile defense shield" cleanly intercepts an Iraqi-built Scud missile which is carrying a dirty bomb and was launched off the coast from an Iranian ship. This single event pretty much validates many of the administration claims about terrorists.

This scenario also fits in with the Hollywood B-Movie feel of many of the administrations other stunts.
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Steven Leser Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 11:33 AM
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7. Wow, that is it. Thanks Yellow Dawg.
I added it to our forum over at TDC too. That is a perfectly disgusting way to use the new anti-ballistic-missile shield. Something that I would definitely not put past the Chimp in Chief and his cronies.
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Blecht Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 11:56 AM
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8. kick (n/t)
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Steven Leser Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 03:55 PM
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14. Folks, we really do need help on this...
...I am going to start spending my own $$$ to advertise this effort enough until it catches fire, but please sign and send it to as many people as you can.

Thanks!
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Blecht Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 04:39 PM
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15. kick (n/t)
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Blecht Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 05:05 PM
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16. Using my 700th post ...
... to kick this again.
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Isere Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 05:48 PM
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17. 700 posts!
Yikes!

Ditto to the kick!

After watching the news today, I'm all the more frightened of what may be in store.
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Blecht Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 10:07 PM
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18. kick (n/t)
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Blecht Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 10:05 AM
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19. .
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Blecht Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 01:27 PM
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20. kick (n/t)
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Blecht Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 03:36 PM
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21. kick (n/t)
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 03:42 PM
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22. what are some past October surprises?....
both dem and pug?
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Blecht Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 09:28 PM
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25. 1980
Carter's efforts to get the hostages released were intered with by the GOP -- do a Google search, there's a lot on this out there.
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Steven Leser Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 12:03 PM
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28. Nixon two pronged approach in 1972...
I - Obviously, in 1972 there was Nixon's CREEP - The Committee to Re-Elect the President:

Revelation of Watergate scandals begins (1972): on June 17, police arrested 4 men breaking into the Democratic National Committee's office in the Watergate apartment-business complex. The men were planting bugs in the phones and taking photographs of Democratic files. One of the men was James W. McCord, a former CIA committee who was security coordinator of CREEP. The other 3 were anti-Castro Cubans from Miami who worked for the CIA. Two other men were part of the break-in but weren't captured; E. Howard Hunt, an ex-CIA member turned CREEP security chief and G. Gordon Liddy, an ex-FBI member and a member of the White House Staff.

John Mitchell resigns as chairman of CREEP (Committee to Reelect the President) (1972): after the arrest of the Watergate burglars and the Democrats filing of a suit against CREEP, Mitchell resigns, denouncing the suit and saying that CREEP had nothing to do with the break-in. Meanwhile, Nixon was secretly giving CREEP $460,000 in "hush money" to cover Watergate up.

Vice President Agnew forced to resign; Gerald Ford takes over as VP (1973): pleading no-contest to charges of income-tax invasion and accepting bribes, VP Agnew was forced to resign. Under the provisions of the 25th Amendment, Nixon nominated Gerald Ford, the popular conservative House minority leader to replace Agnew.

Existence of White House tapes revealed (1973): during the trial of the Watergate burglars and the White House aides, it was exposed that the President had directed a cover-up, and one aid confessed that Nixon had a taping system installed in his White House office and that his conversations about Watergate were recorded.
Saturday Night Massacre (1973): after Nixon appoints Elliot Richardson to the post of Attorney General, Richardson appoints Harvard law professor Archibald Cox to the new position of Watergate prosecutor. Cox, with Richardson's support, court orders the White House to hand over the tapes of Nixon's conversations. Nixon forces Richardson to resign and orders the next-ranking official to dismiss Cox. The public outcry made Nixon appoint a new special prosecutor, Leon Jaworski, who took Nixon to court over the tapes.

II - Short term economic manipulation
http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=000163&topic_id=1&topic=">Details



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Electoral-economic cycles: 1972 and 2004, deja vu all over again
A long time ago I wrote a book Political Control of the Economy (Princeton University Press 1978), which sought to show the links between elections and economics (the political business cycle, political parties and macroeconomic policy, support for incumbents and economic performance). The chapter on the electoral-economic cycle featured detailed evidence about the 1972 stimulation of the economy for the re-election campaign of Richard Nixon. I was wondering when someone might comment on the run-up to 2004, where both monetary and fiscal policy are extremely stimulative. Here's a start from the Boston Globe:


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THIS BUSINESS CYCLE COULD GET VICIOUS By Robert Kuttner, 1/7/2004


IN 1975, POLITICAL scientist Edward Tufte and economist William Nordhaus put forth a theory of the political business cycle. Usually, ''business cycle'' refers to the normal ups and downs of the economy. Their insight was that the business cycle is influenced by politics.


These scholars documented that incumbent presidents often used their influence with Congress and the Federal Reserve to artificially pump up the economy for their reelections and dealt with the resulting damage once they were safely returned to office. Richard Nixon's 1972 landslide nicely fit the pattern. So did Lyndon Johnson's ''guns and butter'' economic program of 1967-68 (except that the Democrats were undone by the Vietnam War).


The theory later fell into disfavor. Neither Jimmy Carter (defeated in 1980) nor George H.W. Bush (defeated in 1992) could manipulate the economy well enough to save their jobs. Carter fell to stagflation and Bush I to recession and a jobless recovery.


But the political business cycle is back with a vengeance, and this time the morning after will be a corker. The only question is whether the damage will be visible before or after Election Day.


President Bush has unleashed the most massive fiscal stimulus program since World War II, with immense deficits that only grow after 2004 as the biggest tax cuts for the wealthiest kick in. He has timed the relatively meager breaks for the middle class for this (election) year.


Meanwhile, Fed chairman Alan Greenspan (up for reappointment in June) is doing his part to fuel the election-year boom. Despite his own misgivings about immense deficits -- he was far from shy about this during the 1990s -- Greenspan has loyally kept mostly silent when it comes to Bush's deficits. More important, Greenspan is pumping up the recovery with low interest rates notwithstanding his earlier concerns about the danger of economic bubbles.


Thanks to this short-term hyperstimulation, Bush might well have his election year recovery. For now, corporate profits are up, the stock market is booming, and there is even a trickle of job growth.


But there is not a reputable economist -- left, right, or center -- who thinks this act can continue beyond a year or two. Bush's own treasury secretary, John Snow, and his chief economist, Greg Mankiw, both warned about this danger in their previous lives.


As the deficits spin out of control, interest rates will rise. If Bush is reelected, the deficits would also be used as justification for a round of cuts in social outlays that would make Bush's program cuts to date look like mere tinkering.


Meanwhile, serious social challenges like the retirement of the baby boomers and the spiraling of health care costs would be shifted from society back to the individual through proposed privatization of Social Security and health plans that made the subscriber pay ever more of the costs out of pocket (or go without). The larger fiscal and economic mess would be left for Bush's successor after Bush was safely in his presidential library.


Not only has Bush taken short-term political manipulation of the economy, in Tufte's sense, to new and cynical extremes; he has invented a wholly new kind of political business cycle in the form of programs and policies that look impressive only in the short run and turn out to be disasters later on.


Exhibit A is the recently enacted Medicare drug benefit program. Consumers won't experience the fraud firsthand this year since the program doesn't become available until 2006. Nice touch, that. As the law is written, less than half of actual drug costs for most participants will be covered. And seniors will get only one chance to decide whether to opt for the (inadequate) Medicare program or to stay with (increasingly unregulated) private drug insurance coverage that could deteriorate over time.


No Child Left Behind, Bush's big education program, is even worse. It creates perverse incentives for districts to dumb down tests and ''lose'' dropouts in order to make schools look better. It adds impossible mandates that states and districts have to finance locally. By 2005 the program is likely to collapse of its own weight, but in 2004 Bush is parading as an education president.


Iraq fits the pattern. We have Saddam's head on a platter this year -- and the likelihood of greater regional instability, nuclear proliferation, and anti-Americanism afterwards.


Some of Bush's time bombs may be delayed until after the election. Some could explode prematurely before the election. But all of them could, and should, backfire on Bush now -- if voters are paying attention.


Robert Kuttner's is co-editor of The American Prospect. His column appears regularly in the Globe.


http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/007/oped/This_business_cycle_could_get_viciousP.shtml


This story ran on page A15 of the Boston Globe on 1/7/2004. © Copyright 2003 Globe Newspaper Company.



-- Edward Tufte, January 11, 2004





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Steven Leser Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 01:06 PM
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30. PLEASE READ - Folks, I just realized what I found with #2 above
And I am worried. Please sign the petition and help me figure out how to explain this 'to the masses'.

Steve
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 03:43 PM
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23. Kickin' it! n/t
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Isere Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 05:56 PM
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24. Another kick
for a good cause!

Kick! Kick George out in November!

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Blecht Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 11:58 PM
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26. kick (n/t)
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Blecht Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 09:13 AM
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27. kick (n/t)
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Demoiselle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 12:38 PM
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29. Israeli-Palestinian Peace Conference?
Heard yesterday on radio it might be in the works "for October." A conference based on the potential Gaza pullout. Brokered by our gracious world leader Bunny Pants. Can't give you a source...it just floated into my ears out of the ether.
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Steven Leser Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 01:08 PM
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31. Will keep an eye out for that one. Good catch...
...I doubt he could accomplish much, but, it might be part of the steady drumbeat of items to take coverage away from Kerry and try to make Dumbya appear 'pResidential'
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