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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 11:49 AM
Original message
Seen this e-mail? Ugly.
I've googled, factchecked, and snoped, and can find nothing. Got it from a "friend" in an e-mail. Once again, no link, no documentation.
If you can put the lie to it, I'd appreciate it.
trof

Chris Thomas, Air Force Pilot:

I would like to add my two cents about my John Kerry experience. During my career as an Air Force pilot, I spent two years flying a small twin engine prop plane around the Pacific from my base in Okinawa, Japan. On one trip we had to fly Senator Kerry, his congressional aide, and a Navy Captain (Vietnam, A-4 fighter pilot) who was also in Kerry's party to various locations in Vietnam and Cambodia as part of the MIA/POW talks.

When I met him, he was wearing a shirt with a picture of his sailboat on it. I told him I had a 27' sailboat in Okinawa, he remarked "Oh I never sail on anything less than 135 feet."

Thanks, Senator, "I feel even better about the meager salary I get paid for flying you around the Pacific."
When we first flew him into Phnom Penh, he went to the back of the airplane and grabbed the pizza that was put aside for the crew and passed it around to his staff. He was never offered any pizza because they were supposed to have lunch with the Cambodian government when we landed. The pizza was the crew's only meal for that day and he ate it.

Then when we picked him up in Cambodia, he was an hour late getting to the airport. Because fuel was an issue, we could not start the engines and therefore the air conditioning until he arrived. Phnom Penh at that time was over 100 degrees with 95% humidity and we were basically sitting in a greenhouse behind the cockpit windows.

When he finally did arrive, we were wringing out our clothes from the perspiration. He walks out of the air conditioned car, into the airplane and asks us "Could you guys get the air-conditioning running, I'm a little warm?" The other pilot had to physically restrain me from going back there and picking a fight.

Then we took him into Noi Bai airfield in Hanoi.

After we picked him up the next day (he stayed the night in Vietnam, we stayed in Bangkok) we taxied out, ran up the engines for take off and noticed that our prop rpm was vibrating all over the place. We taxied off to the side to look at it, but there was a good possibility that there was an engine malfunction and the engine may fail if we took off with it.

Well, Mr. Senator sticks his head up in the cockpit and says "This plane WILL take off, I have a press conference in Bangkok in three hours!" (Maybe this is an indication of how he will run the FAA).

American service members lives be damned, we had our Senatorial orders. We ran the engines again, and did not have the problem, so we took off and made it back. During the flight, he told everyone how he had taken a Cessna (a small General aviation plane)up with a fighter pilot, and the fighter pilot remarked that Kerry was one of the best pilots he had ever seen. I don't know about other pilots out there,but it's hard to imagine a little, single-engine prop plane pilot being able to show the "right stuff."

After Kerry left the plane, the Navy Captain came up to us, apologized and said basically that "he knows Kerry is a jerk" and that we should be glad we don't have to deal with him every day. Your choice folks. Elections in November. You want a mega-millionaire ego-maniac it's-all-about-me crew-eating-pizza-ite like Kerry or maybe a Green Party candidate like Ralph Nader? Or, God forbid, maybe even re-elect George Bush, a nice God fearing Christian bent on protecting us from terrorist attacks on US soil?

Hmmm, let's see?
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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 11:50 AM
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1. It's a lie
Prove me wrong.
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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 11:52 AM
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2. What a compelling story! I'm voting for Bush now!
Fucking whatever.
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 11:52 AM
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3. Snopes calls it "Undetermined"
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:04 PM
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13. "Although several names have been attached to the text..."
"...it is most frequently attributed to Hal Cranmer."

That makes it a lie. After all, you can't have "several" different people have the exact same "first hand account" now can we?
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 01:12 PM
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29. Yes...that does seem rather suspicious doesn't it?
And I could have sworn that my mother told me someone she knows sent her an email about John Kerry being rude or some such nonsense, and the person tried to pass it off as a first-hand account. I will need to ask her for the details of that.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 02:04 PM
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32. Snopes is just a bunch of right wing lying fascist whores
I don't really believe that. I'm just trying to keep in practice in case they ever say something I disagree with.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 11:53 AM
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4. Try the debunker
At johnkerry.com.

BTW, the last sentence is obviously a lie. Bush is not "a nice God fearing Christian bent on protecting us from terrorist attacks on US soil?"
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Literate Tar Heel Donating Member (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 11:54 AM
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5. well, if it were Neil Bush
he'd have said "This plane WILL take off, I have an appointment at a brothel in Bangkok in three hours!"
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XNASA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 11:54 AM
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6. Anyone have an image of Kerry on a sailboat that's less than 135' long?
And I'm supposed to believe that a guy who volunteered to go to Nam would then complain about the high temps and humidity??

This e-mail is bullshit. Pure and simple.
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:14 PM
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17. I didn't look for sailboat pics, but here are some windsurfer ones
http://thm-ar1r2.search.vip.scd.yahoo.com/image/455420886





And how long is a Swift Boat exactly?

The pilot has a 27' Sailboat? Well that make's me feel little. I can't possibly stand in his shadow. I wish he didn't make such a big deal of it. I have a floatee innertube, and not one of those tiny kidsize jobbies either! I don't float on anything LESS than 3'6" in diameter.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 11:55 AM
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7. This reminds me of the stories told about Bill,
and especially Hillary, Clinton. This is the kind of thing that can't even be verified because so few people were involved. And if someone starts eating my meal what restrains me from saying, "Excuse me, Senator, but that's the crews' lunch". Just because he mistook the food as for himself doesn't make him a jerk unless you tell him it's for others.
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 11:55 AM
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8. Well, I think it's bs.
I don't think a pilot would say "a small twin engine prop plane". He'd identify it by manufacturer and model. I've been around pilots for a long time, and they always refer to their planes in this way.
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Grins Donating Member (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 04:09 PM
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46. I'm a pilot
And you're damned right! Pilots don't refer to their plane by the number of propellers, we say the name or model number. If this was a military aviator, he's have said a C-12. If he was a civilian, he's have referred to it as a Beechcraft King Air. any why the hell didn't he....because this letter is bogus?

Sign me,
Bonanza driver.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:00 PM
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9. Found it at snopes.
They had it under a DIFFERENT AUTHOR'S NAME!

This piece about Senator John Kerry appeared in mid-February 2004, just as the Massachusetts senator was beginning to emerge as the front-runner in the race for the Democratic party's presidential nomination. Although several names have been attached to the text, it is most frequently attributed to Hal Cranmer.
(Gee, what happened to Chris Thomas?
I call BULLSHIT!)


Independently verifying whether some informal conversations which took place at an indeterminate time in the past, possibly several years ago, are accurate as reported is a rather difficult task. We asked the putative author if he could provide additional details or identify others who may have witnessed the events he reported, but we have yet to receive a response. If such an interaction occurred, it would have had to have taken place in April 1992 during Senator Kerry's visit to southeast Asia as a member of the Senate Select Committee on POW-MIA Affairs.

One aspect of the account isn't holding up to scrutiny. Senator Kerry's purported remark of "Oh I never sail on anything less than 135 feet" is at odds with his history. In 1992 he was the skipper of 68-foot yacht American Eagle in the Opera House Cup, a race held annually off Nantucket Island, Massachusetts.
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/pizza.asp

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Misinformed01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:00 PM
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10. I thought about this and decided, Yes. Yes I do
want a mega-millionaire ego-maniac it's-all-about-me crew-eating-pizza-ite like Kerry.

Stephanie
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:02 PM
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11. Man, that was vicious.
The Kerry/Edwards camp must be devastated! Is there nothing that can be done? Can he at least apologize for taking the pizza and offering a new one?
This is bad.
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parasim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:03 PM
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12. my guess would be...
Edited on Tue Jul-20-04 12:04 PM by parasim
... that for every "Kerry is a jerk" story, you'd be able to find a thousand "Bush is a jerk" stories.
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chimpy the poopthrower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:09 PM
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14. The glasses-wiping episode comes to mind.
Not an unverified allegation by someone whose name keeps changing, but an event actually caught on video. Bush wiped his dirty glasses off on the back of a woman's skirt during a commercial break on Letterman. I think she was the producer.
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:21 PM
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21. here's the pic
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elvisbear Donating Member (545 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:53 PM
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25. Here's a link to the video of * wiping his glasses on Letterman show.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:10 PM
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15. No big deal - what an idiot!
Now, please pass me the grey poupon! (waahhhhhh)
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olddem43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:13 PM
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16. I believe it all, and I knew the girl on the gearshift knob too!
This is a Kentucky Fried Rat story.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:16 PM
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18. My bullshit meter's vibrating
Oh I never sail on anything less than 135 feet

My rich brother-in-law in into yachting so I've spent a fair bit of time around the docks. 135 foot sailboats are extremely rare except for multi-mast "tall ships".

Because fuel was an issue, we could not start the engines and therefore the air conditioning until he arrived. Phnom Penh at that time was over 100 degrees with 95% humidity and we were basically sitting in a greenhouse behind the cockpit windows.

Pilots do not sit in the aircraft for hours at a time waiting to take off. They prep the aircraft, then go sit outside (eg. under the wings) and wait for the passengers to show up.

prop rpm was vibrating all over the place

Meaningless technobabble. rpm's do not "vibrate".

We ran the engines again, and did not have the problem, so we took off

Bullshit. If there's a problem once, you go back and a certified mechanic pulls the engine. Problems do not magically fix themselves.

a little, single-engine prop plane pilot being able to show the "right stuff."

Those little single-engine prop planes are exactly where you show the "right stuff". That's why people train on them. There's more to flying than aerobatics. How about:


  • navigation
  • dealing with the navigation radios
  • dealing with the tower
  • fuel economy and engine wear-and-tear
  • approach and landing
  • crosswinds



No pilot wrote this.
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olddem43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:22 PM
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22. Good analysis - n/t
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:56 PM
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26. Excellent catches. Agree, not written by a pilot.
n/t
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #18
44. my bullshit meter's pegged out
And I don't even know jack about flying.

You can smell propaganda like this a mile away.

It's like that "Bush/visiting the soldier and praying with him at the hospital story." Pure hogwash. That was another e-mail and probably written by the same paid propagandist.
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mike1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #44
51. You're exactly right...I've been a commercial pilot for 39 years
it definitely wasn't written by one.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 10:57 AM
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56. We taxied off to the side to look at it,
We taxied off to the side to look at it,

Reminds me of my sister pulling off to the side of the road to look under the hood. She knows nothing, absolutely nothing, about car engines except their location (actually I think I had to tell her that, too).

Pilots do not fix engines. They are not qualified to work on them. Aircraft mechanics fix engines. An aircraft would not be allowed to fly if a pilot had tinkered with it unless he was also an aircraft mechanic, which is rare.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:19 PM
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19. "crew-eating-pizza-ite?"
hahaHA!!

If that weren't enough to tell me this guy's out to lunch, there's this: "George Bush, a nice God fearing Christian bent on protecting us from terrorist attacks on US soil?" A rabid rightwinger with a warped sense of reality, at best.
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:20 PM
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20. Can't these people be sued for libel?
I mean, why not take the sender to court since he/she is generally responsible for the contents of that letter?
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:23 PM
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23. take out the references to Kerry and put in Bush...sounds about right.
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MISSDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 12:43 PM
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24. Thanks! Now I'm even more sure that I'll vote for Kerry.
I like selfish people - haven't you read the book?
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 01:03 PM
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27. Who gives a shit what this brainless fuck thinks?
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Samoflange Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 01:06 PM
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28. Even though it's been debunked
My favorite part is the comment

"I don't know about other pilots out there, but it's hard to imagine a little, single-engine prop plane pilot being able to show the 'right stuff.'"

Top American WWII aces:

Franics Gabreski, 28 kills, P-47 Thunderbolt, USAAF
Robert Johnson, 27 kills, P-47 Thunderbolt, USAAF
George Preddy, 26 kills, P-51 Mustang, USAAF
David McCampbell, 34 kills, F6F Hellcat, USN
Gregory Boyington, 22 kills, F4U Corsair, USMC, Medal of Honor

and my personal favorite pilot who apparently lacks the
"right stuff":

Charles Yeager, 11.5 kills, P-51 Mustang, USAAF

The jackass that wrote this stupid hit piece in an attempt to spread the Party of Nixon's nutty-ass propaganda managed to marginalize nearly every single fighter pilot who flew in WWII.

What a dumbass.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #28
31. Hi Samoflange!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #28
34. 11.5? Is that a typo?
I'm scratching my head trying to figure out how you get a half a kill. Thanks.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 03:26 PM
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35. You can "share" kills
Two planes could have attacked the target, so both pilots get the credit, although only 1/2 a kill.
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Samoflange Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 03:30 PM
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36. Shared kill system in WWII
During WWII, the US used a system of "shared kills" to record the number of enemy aircraft shot down. If two pilots converged on a single enemy aircraft, and both shot at it, causing its destruction or incapacitation, both pilots would get credited with a 1/2 kill each.

This way, "kill hogs", (pilots that jumped in front of other pilots to get the credit for shooting down the most planes) wouldn't get their asses pummeled by another pissed off pilot once they landed back at base...

It also helped boost the esprit de corps and teamwork mentality that was vital to troop morale.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #28
42. Don't forget the "gentlemen of the OTHER firm" from WWII
Germany's top ace had what, 309 kills or something like that? In ME-109, FW-109 and ME 262...Oh, wait, the 262 was a JET twin, a real MAN'S aero-plane!
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 01:14 PM
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30. QUESTION: why don't Lefties make up...
scurrilous bullshit stories about prominent Republicans?

ANSWER: We don't have to make 'em up.
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yankeedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 02:18 PM
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33. Little bit about the trip
Edited on Tue Jul-20-04 02:27 PM by yankeedem
http://www.seanrobins.com/kerry/kerry_senate_1992_04_29.htm

Funny, he didn't mention the other (puke) Senators on the trip.

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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 03:31 PM
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37. TOTAL and COMPLETE
BULLSHIT!
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 03:33 PM
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38. DON'T let them get the last word! RESPOND!
WHY YOU SHOULD ANSWER THOSE DUMB, PARTISAN EMAILS

For those who periodically receive unwanted, biased, nauseating republi-CON “talking point” emails bashing Clinton or worshipping bush:

I'd say if you want this crap to stop, then stop it. YOU MUST NEVER LET THEM GET THE LAST WORD. EVER.

Here's how you do that (at least it's worked for me):

You send a rebuttal. Whatever rebuttal it is. Either point by point, or overall. Posting here on DU to get ideas or suggested responses is a GREAT approach. People come up with GOOD, and USABLE answers here, based on lots of research and reading, lots of time having been spent arguing these things out with their friends and purportedly well-intentioned Kool-aid drinkers. An especially helpful resource for a newbie - LET US HELP YOU.

You send that rebuttal to the person who sent the original offending email to you.

THEN, you send that same rebuttal to EVERY PERSON ON THE LIST OF RECIPIENTS that included the person who sent the original offending email to you. Your rebuttal should go to whoever sent it to THAT person, and everybody else in that round of emailings.

After that, you may want to retrace it an additional step back, and further send your rebuttal to the people on the list of the person who sent the email to the person who sent it to you, etc.

The point is: THEY ALL SEE the response to the foolish, misbegotten, ill-informed, and SLANTED attack they all originally saw.

You will accomplish the following:

a) You will set the record straight.

b) You will make sure the GOOD GUYS GET THE LAST WORD. Our opponents are COUNTING ON our staying mute. They want us to remain "The Silenced Majority," that won't speak up, that won't object, that won't question their motives or their berzerko information or their agenda, and that will just let any idiotic crap stand, as is, unchallenged. If it's unchallenged and unrefuted, IT IS THEN ASSUMED THAT IT IS TRUE - merely because there is no challenge or rebuttal to it.

c) You may actually give somebody their first taste at an opposing view (in this case, once again, THE TRUTH) that they are obviously not getting now. Consider the example of all the people whose eyes were opened by many things they NEVER saw before, which were laid out for all the world to see in "Fahrenheit 9/11." All those other recipients are probably on some wrong-winger's list, and get this stuff repeatedly, and since they move in that alternate universe, they can't be expected to be exposed to anything outside that narrow agenda. It's the same situation with all those people who think if they just watch the Pox "News" network, or listen to limbaugh, they'll get the truth - not even realizing there are other points of view available out there (albeit harder to find for those who don't bother to or don't know to try looking).

d) You may VERY LIKELY stop the offending emails from darkening your cyber-door. I did this with two different people who were sending me this dreck. Not once, since taking action, have I received ANY further emails like those. In fact, those two now confine their emails to me - strictly to more harmless social and joke stuff.

You HAVE TO respond. You can't just leave it hanging out there. Unless you don't mind if they keep coming.

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Shopaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #38
52. Damn Straight!
This is the kind of sleazy attacks that the Repugs excel in. I say that we don't give them an inch and we fight them when and where we can.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 03:45 PM
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39. When did the Greens take Nader back?
Edited on Tue Jul-20-04 03:49 PM by BiggJawn
"a nice God fearing Christian bent on protecting us from terrorist attacks on US soil?"

Oh, the old "George Bush is protecting us from Sabre-Tooth Tigers" argument again. don't believe it? When was the last time you've heard about a Sabre-Toothed tiger attack in the last 3.5 years?

I didn't know Ralph was running as a green again.

And I bet Bush would have stuck his head in the front office and said "You assholes got anymore pizza up here? We didn't git enough..."

And I know prices in Okinawa are less than Lake Shafer, but if the income needed to support a 27' sailboat is "meager", then I must be fucking poverty-stricken.

But Cargo-Cult ReTHUGs who this is written for won't flash on that "Hay, May-Belle, This'n feller kin only afford a twenny-sebben foot sale-boat, and that rich fucker Kerry has a hunnert-an-thirty-five..."
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Borgnine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 03:51 PM
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40. Hahaha.... this is classic.
It reminds me of the hit pieces right-wing geeks would write about Gore back in 2000. Of course, most of them were actually events that happened with Bush, so it wouldn't surprise me if that were the case here.
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katym Donating Member (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 03:52 PM
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41. Dont we already have a mega-millionaire ego-maniac it's-all-about-me prez?
Thats what I thought...
:toast:
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 03:54 PM
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43. The usual Lying Bushevik Blast E-Mail
One does not have to examine every Hitlerian tract against the Jews to know what they are and how believable.

Same with this false missive, penneed by Bushevik "kinder and gentler" Nazis.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 04:04 PM
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45. Do nice, pretzel-eating, God-fearing Christians
laugh at women on their way to death row?


Just askin'. :shrug:
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drdtroit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 04:17 PM
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47. Probably authored by
Ed Gilespie!
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 04:18 PM
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48. "Nice, God Fearing Christian"
Hmmm. Guess you don't have an agenda. Nope, just a good, solid American determined to inform us that John Kerry kicks dogs, bad mouths little old ladies, and yells at neighborhood kids to get off his lawn.

Here's my rebuttal, completely true and able to be verified by several other people who, um, I can give you contact information for uh, later...


When I was twenty two I had a job driving a Budweiser Truck through the south. In 1972 I spent the summer Dropping off kegs at various redneck bars in Alabama. It was in the course of my duties that I met George W. Bush. One day, as I was rolling the keg off the back of the truck, this wild-eyed guy with curly black hair came runnin' up to me. It looked like he hadn't slept in, say, maybe a week.
"Hey Chief.. Wanna earn an easy twennnny bucks! Cmon Cmon Cmon Cmon Cmon Cmon. I got somethin I gotta do. I got somewhere to go, and my car got impounded.. er, it broke down. I just need a ride. It's an urgent, pressing, imminent threat"..
Well, I wasn't making much money at the time, so I agreed. He wanted me to take him across town. He got in the cab of my truck, and immediately started bitching about the music on the radio:
"Can we turn off this Hendrix crap? I mean, I don't have nothin' against the darkies, er black folks, especially when they know their place... but I just can't stand the way he plays guitar"
Sure, I guess, I say.
He switched the station, until he came upon a carpenters song.
"ahhhh", He said.
See, not only was George Bush an apparent racist, but he had shitty taste in music, as well!
So we stopped at this kind of strange little house out in the middle of nowhere. Bush went in, and seemed to take a long, long, long time. I waited. I waited, then I waited some more.
Finally he came out. It looked like he had powdered sugar around his nostrils.
"HeythanksforwaitingsorrythattooksolongMybuddy'sgrandmotherissickandhewantedmetosignthecardforhershesinthehospital"
It's okay, I said. What about my twenty bucks, though.
He got real quiet.
"Listen man, I, uh..hadtogivemybuddyallmy money. I'll pay youlater,I swear. Really. Really I will. My Daddy's a big, powerful man in Texas, and I can smell a well full of oil from three miles away"
Hmmmm, I thought. And I can smell a well full of bullshit when it's sitting in my truck cab. Besides, buddy, I bet you can't smell anything, right now. But I drove on. We passed a howard Johnson's, and Bush grabbed me:
"Listen, man, I need somethin to drink.. I'm really thirsty, for some.. ah.. reason... Buy me a drink.. Again, I'll make it worth yer while"
We went inside. I ordered something to eat, bush ordered an RC cola. I ate, he drank. When we got up to go, I was about to leave a tip..
"Don't leave a tip. These poor folks think they're entitled to them. If you keep giving them handouts, they'll never learn to work hard and become rich, like me"..
I tried to leave a tip, but Bush seemed to have all kinds of weird energy, and he physically prevented me from doing so. We left, and i thought, jesus, I just need to get rid of this guy.
I dropped him off at the bar, and gave him my phone number. He swore up and down he would pay me for the ride and the cola. Needless to say, he never did. He walked back into the bar, and Last I saw, he was paying for drinks from a big roll of hundred dollar bills.


So, folks, there you have it- George W. Bush: Lousy tipper, shitty taste in music, who doesn't pay his debts. How can you consider voting for this man?

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drdtroit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 04:21 PM
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49. Yeah baby!
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 05:21 PM
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55. I forgot to add...


"Bill Gates is testing a new email delivery system, and you can participate! For every person you send this to, Microsoft will send you a check for ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS!"

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TryingToWarnYou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 04:36 PM
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50. Sounds like typical rightwing bullshit. Lets see some sources and facts..
Im surprised they left out the part about him eating babies.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 04:44 PM
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53. Wow, two in one day
Sandy Berger walking off with some notes and now Kerry scarfing someone else's pizza. I might as well start learning to speak Canadian!
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 04:50 PM
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54. The proof it's a lie: The "Free" Republic version of the email
Edited on Tue Jul-20-04 04:51 PM by ck4829
There are some slight differences in the email this person got, such as in the wording, can you spot them.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1119800/posts
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 11:38 AM
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57. Yep! I thought so! My mom received this same, exact email...
...and the person who sent it to her (a client of the company she works for) tried to pass it off as a first-hand account, and she believed it was true! She is so angry so won't email him anymore, and she said she used to think highly of him.
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 11:44 AM
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58. Sad when even the lies are pathetic....
he SUPPOSEDLY took their pizza for GOD'S SAKE!!!!! That Selfish Bastard!

So pathetic its funny.
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