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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 12:34 PM Original message |
Did Kerry cast a vote for war or for giving Bush* authority to make the |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
1. Kerry voted to have Bush exhaust all options |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 01:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. Actually, that's not in the resolution. |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
2. Congress can be assembled for an emergency vote rather quickly |
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jjmalonejr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 12:52 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. The vote by Congress gave Bush the authority to use force... |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 01:06 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Saddam didn't need reminding how powerful the U.S. was |
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jjmalonejr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 01:46 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. We agree more than we disagree |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 01:55 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. I agree that many were concerned but that still doesn't explain |
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jjmalonejr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:36 PM Response to Reply #15 |
43. Biden-Lugar was scrapped because the Republicans wouldn't allow it. |
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Steven Leser (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 03:39 PM Response to Reply #6 |
58. You are creating a straw man argument... |
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lovedems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
3. This is BUSH'S war. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 01:06 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Yes, I agree that this is Bush's war |
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wadestock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
7. You want to get Senator Byrd's book "Losing America" |
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Brotherjohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
8. The IWR amounted to a THREAT of force, NOT a declaration of war. |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 01:23 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. The threat of force in itself is not legitimate |
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Brotherjohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 01:35 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Oh, I agree. I don't think it was warranted, or merited. |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 01:54 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. I disagree, Brotherjohn |
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Brotherjohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:00 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. I agree given THIS president, that's what it AMOUNTED to. |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:05 PM Response to Reply #8 |
20. That's what I don't get, he already had the threat of force |
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Brotherjohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:15 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Of course, he didn't really NEED it. He was just trying to strong-arm... |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:24 PM Response to Reply #27 |
36. There were so many red flags flying around the time... |
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Brotherjohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:25 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. I agree with your post 100%. n/t |
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democratreformed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:57 PM Response to Reply #38 |
50. What a sig line! |
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Brotherjohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 04:40 PM Response to Reply #50 |
61. Thanks. I came up with it back when news was getting out that Freepers... |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
14. Didn't the IWR.... |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:00 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. He got out of the noose by picking and choosing from the following list |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:07 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. I don't think he got out of the noose.... |
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democratreformed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 03:05 PM Response to Reply #22 |
53. Here is the out: |
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welshTerrier2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:07 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. the key phrase in the IWR is: |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:10 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. WRONG.... |
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Steven Leser (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:18 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. Dennis, I almost think it is a lost cause... |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:23 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Sure it is a lost cause.... |
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welshTerrier2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:23 PM Response to Reply #24 |
35. Nope ... Right ... |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:31 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. In a Nutshell..... |
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welshTerrier2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:42 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. not according to the language in the resolution |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:50 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. John Dean is a lawyer..... |
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welshTerrier2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 03:01 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Robert Byrd |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 03:10 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. I am not..... |
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Imperialism Inc. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 04:41 PM Response to Reply #54 |
62. Here are some links to various "Presidential Determinations" |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 09:43 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. Again, the Iraqi.... |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
16. here's the text |
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Steven Leser (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:06 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Let me put this to rest for EVERYONE. See this link |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:18 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Yeah, Kerry said Bush would have to do a bunch of things to legitimize war |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:19 PM Response to Reply #21 |
31. His statement doesn't seem very dovish to me |
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Steven Leser (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:22 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. The question isn't whether his statement is dovish... |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:34 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. All I want is an apology from Kerry! |
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Steven Leser (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 03:33 PM Response to Reply #41 |
56. I don't see that he owes one. |
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Imperialism Inc. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 04:59 PM Response to Reply #21 |
64. Talk is cheap. |
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democratreformed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 03:02 PM Response to Reply #16 |
52. Nitpicky here but, |
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welshTerrier2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
19. Why bring this up again ???!!! |
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Steven Leser (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:15 PM Response to Reply #19 |
28. There is no need. Your interpretation is wrong, and you can read why |
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welshTerrier2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:35 PM Response to Reply #28 |
42. No Sale my friend |
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Steven Leser (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:49 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. I'm not selling anything, I am 100% convinced I am right and that there is |
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welshTerrier2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:54 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. well, mr. arrogant (your self-description) |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:55 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. There actually was a vote on the invasion of Panama |
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Steven Leser (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 03:21 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. If you are talking about Senate Resolution 239 of July 1987... |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 03:37 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. You are correct |
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TeacherCreature (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
25. Kerry voted for the WAR |
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Steven Leser (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:12 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. No, he didn't |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
32. We're doomed. Please learn about the WAR POWERS ACT. |
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Steven Leser (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:28 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. The problem is, YOU do not have it straight... |
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EndElectoral (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 04:35 PM Response to Reply #39 |
60. The Constitution and Founders were clear on this |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 04:46 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. That is why Bush tried to link Gulf War II to the first war |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 05:33 PM Response to Reply #39 |
65. No, that is not correct. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
37. Where's Bandit??? |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
45. I think 4 all intents & purposes it was, but I'm bored w/ this discussion |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
59. We are at war with Eurasia |
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