Anybody Else Get The Feeling A Jail Cell Is In Their Future ???

[WillyT]

I'm pretty much non-violent, and I'm not trying to be melodramatic here, but I have this major sense of foreboding. We've talked about it before here.

What will the rePukes try to pull in order to hold onto power, and what will be our responses, both individually and collectively. I think that the Pukes (at least the Executive Branch Pukes) are toast as of right now. I think the Pukes know it too.

And it could be as simple as a punch in the nose at a polling place on election day, or a dirt clod thrown at a menacing Freep Mob, or a teargas canister thrown back to the cops.

I REALLY hope I'm wrong about all this, but just watching the mood of the red-blue death match has got me really worried. And I keep seeing a vision of jail in my head.

Tryin to shake it off, yet far better partisans than I have spent time in a cell for this country. I'm hoping it doesn't come to that this year, but if it does...

so be it!

[Marvelous_Smarty]

1. Don't sweat it.

I was a political prisoner of the US government for 74 months.

[WillyT]

2. 74 MONTHS !!!!!!!!!!!!

shit

:scared:

Glad you're here now.

:hi:

[Dying Eagle]

3. may we ask why

Sounds like there is a DU quality story about that. If it is private I understand too.

[Marvelous_Smarty]

6. The Government and I had a difference of opinion regarding

the wholesale distribution of "Recreational Herbs." I was for and they were against. I sold about 1200-1500 pounds a month in protest for while. At least until a joint US Customs, FBI and DEA task force "asked" me to stop.

[Beam Me Up]

11. aGog!

:smoke: :thumbsup:

[REVOLT823]

13. They were jut upset because you forgot to pay your sales tax :)

[Ms. Clio]

33. Only 74 months for someone dealing that amount of drugs?

Aren't you lucky.

[Marvelous_Smarty]

34. My Original Sentence was 17 years.

I was convicted of conspiring to distribute 279 pounds of weed. That was my charge. At my sentencing the Feds introduced evidence of all of the other deals they suspected me of. Crimes I was not convicted of, but was sentenced for.

After I was in for about 5 years, a decision came down from the apellate courts (US vs Aprendi) striking down all sentences like mine where evidence not presented at trial was used to enhance a sentence.

When I was resentenced under Federal Guidelines for 279 pounds of weed, I got 60 months. But then I had already done 74. I was not happy about it, but it beat the shit out of 17 years.

[Ms. Clio]

36. Thanks for the explanation

Of course, the whole war on drugs is a dreadful farce, especially the war on the good herb, and I didn't mean to imply that you should still be in prison!

[Name removed]

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[Ms. Clio]

99. Good grief, take a chill pill, and please see Post #36

I won't hold my breath waiting for an apology.

[Ms. Clio]

100. Just as I suspected--all ready to rip someone a new one

But not willing to admit you were wrong.

Highly plonkable, in other words.

[jukes]

90. Marv

ck your PM.

[AntiCoup2K4]

105. The Bush Criminal Empire's drug division hates competition

Though they prefer the traditional Colombian and Afghanistani crops to the herb of which you speak.

[Kanary]

12. yeah, yeah, yeah........ you and your hummer......

"Political prisoner"?

From you other post, I suspect there's MUCH more to the story......

So, your services are needed in Iraq to keep you in oil for that hummer.....

bye now...... have fun in the desert.....

Kanary

[Name removed]

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[Marvelous_Smarty]

28. A pretty piss poor troll if you ask me.

Sorry, but but not everyone is a lifelong Democrat. If I wanted to stir up shit here, it would not be hard. Nobody told me this was a closed site and only the opinions of certain (1000+ posters) counted for shit.

Also, sorry if you have a problem with me driving a Hummer. I do not make decisions about what I spend my money on on what societal impact it may have.

Bush has to go. That is why I am here.

I saw FH 9/11. Enjoyed it, but I do not think that just because someone didn't like it they are an idiot. There is such a thing as different strokes you know. For all of the openess being flouted about here, there sure is a lot of labeling of new members going on.

[Name removed]

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[Forkboy]

35. Figures

I do not make decisions about what I spend my money on on what societal impact it may have.

[Marvelous_Smarty]

38. Dude,

I live my own life. Don't push my views on anyone. Don't intentionally step on any toes. But I could not live (or want to) weighing how my every decision was going to impact society. I have my own business, pay my taxes (sent out a shitload of sales tax reciepts today) and bust my ass. If I like something and feel I deserve it, I buy it. I also ride about one of the most impractical motorcycles made, but I wanted it so I bought it.

What is so wrong with that?

[Forkboy]

39. Dude

If you dont care about your impact on society there's not much I can say other than...you'd make a good Libertarian.

[Marvelous_Smarty]

42. Sorry,

But the hand wringing, sack cloth and ashes routine is not my style. Don't have faith in that "common good" line, either.

There is an advantage to being an individual. Went from being a homeless just paroled felon to owning my own business in two years on nothing but my own hard work and individualistic nature.

[Forkboy]

47. Well that's great

What a guy!

[Ms. Clio]

48. What about "the general welfare?"

As in, "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

[Marvelous_Smarty]

53. ...promote the general welfare,

means what? I split what I earn? If I had stayed homeless and ambitiousless, what good would that have done? As it is I employ people, pay more taxes than I would like and keep my customers happy.
Where is it written that I can't provide some luxuries for myself?
That "Share the Pain" is not for me, Guy. Pain HURTS, you know. :)

[Ms. Clio]

58. What do you think the Founding Fathers meant by it?

I don't think they meant you have to be homeless or unemployed, but that we are all in this together.

[Marvelous_Smarty]

60. To me it means,

don't drag anyone down or slow anyone up. Give a hand up when needed.
I have two daughters. One is in Iraq right now (a medic with an MP Battallion) and my youngest is married and is the mother of my grandson Izzy.

Her husband is about the most worthless son of a bitch you could ever dig up. He works 30 hours a week at McDonalds. I helped my daughter out and bought her a good used SUV. Bought some new tires for it and tuned it up. They are dirt poor. They live 90 miles away from me. I told him once that he could move up here. There is plenty of work here. This area is in the middle of a big oil and gas drilling boom right now and every company here is shorthanded. Because of my business I have tons of connections and can easily get him a job.

He does not want to work anymore than his 30 hours at Mickey D's. You know what, fuck that bastard. If he does not make an effort to better himself he will get no help from me. But you know what? He and my daughter are getting plenty of assistance as it is from the Government. Food Stamps, WIC, Housing. All of this because he REFUSES to work. I really don't think this is what the Founding Father meant to happen.

I'll wipe my ass with my money before I facilitate people like him getting it. That is not contributing to the general welfare.

[Ms. Clio]

67. I'm sure we all hope your daughter in Iraq will be okay

Your son-in-law sounds like the kind of guy who would be a drag on any society.

[Jose Diablo]

74. While you are pounding yourself on your back for all you fine hard work

maybe you could enlighten us on what you did with the proceeds of "moving between 1200-1500 pounds" a week. I mean that must have been a lot of money. Did you manage to squirrel this shit-pot full of money off to say the Caymen Islands and there to who knows where.

You being the hard working self-made man and all, working your butt off for 2 years and making it big with the sweat of your brow so to speak. Forgive me if I say bullshit.

Maybe you washed the proceeds from 1200-1500 pounds a week through you hard sweaty palms, and THAT is why you seem to be doing so well now.

American dream my ass.

[truthspeaker]

76. Why shouldn't he enjoy the proceeds from his labor?

If he managed to hold onto that money (which I doubt), I say more power to him. It's not his fault he couldn't pay taxes on it without drawing suspicion.

[Marvelous_Smarty]

77. I had a lot of cash seized.

Had houses, boats and cars confiscated by the Federal Law enforcement agencies. What those guys did not take, the IRS came after. What was left disappeared with my ex-wife when she started fucking one of my suppliers.

When I walked out of the FCI at Three Rivers, Texas I had two t-shirts, one pair of Government provided jeans, a pair of sneakers given to me by another inmate and $50 to start over.

Every last cent I have now was made legitimately. Never again, Dude.
I have had more than one offer to get back into the game. I have never even been tempted.

All it took was a little bit of drive, ambition and a shitload of debt. Those six+ years in prison? They cleaned up my credit. :)

[Jose Diablo]

81. I am gonna get a tattoo

of a tear falling from my eye.

Lost everything huh? Tell that to several of my friends in the ground from dope.

No, you didn't do it. But that easy money that draws many did. Strangely, I don't hold those dealers responsible. But neither do I have respect for their enterprise or for making a lot of money off of it. I consider it blood money.

I really do hope that you are making it the right way. But don't think I will respect you for moving 1200-1500 a week. I've seen the death.

And please, don't tell me it was only a little weed. Let the past be the past.

[Marvelous_Smarty]

86. The Dealing is part of who I was.

It is directly resposible for things going well for me now. I would never have been here in this town if I had not been broke. I never would have lucked into the business I now have.

I am not proud of what I did. But it is part of the life experiences that have molded me into what I am. Just like my Army service, it is all part of the life mosaic.

[Jose Diablo]

93. I know what you mean

"it is all part of the life mosaic."

It is the way life molds us, each step leads to the next.

Welcome, I think you will have a lot to add.

[jukes]

89. JellyBean1

i'm sorry, but not a single 1 of your friends died from reefer. i was a narc for two years, then interned, moonlighting, as a drug counselor for several more. i was an expert witness on substance abuse & addiction.

save your tear tat for your pitypot. besides, the tear is the emblem of a killer, & i'm pretty sure you don't qualify, except for *not* intervening and saving your friends lives.

if our newboy only sold reefer, he not only did *NOT* kill any1 w/it, he was a political prisoner in an unjust war that criminalizes pot & lionizes tobacco & booze, two of the most deadly & addictive substances known to man.


give this guy a break, he paid his "debt" to society. i don't agree w/ all he has to say about the "common good", but we don't all agree on every issue here.

don't drive him off by trying to be a hardass. let him spend some time here; maybe he'll change some of his views. or change some of yours.

this thread is about reprisal from the cabal against dissidents, not about any1s vehicle. please stay on topic.



hi, Marv! welcome to DU! & don't take this shit personally, we all get ragged someXs.


:hi:

[Jose Diablo]

91. Your right

My apologies Marv, and welcome.

Edit: I should have intervened, but I didn't.

[drdigi420]

96. You GOTTA be kidding me

It's POT, not booze, not crack, not heroin, not nicotine, just POT.

Most everyone that has died from other drugs (pot has never killed anyone EVER) has died as a result of the drug war, not the drugs.

The drug war makes drug impure.

The drug war makes drugs dangerous.

The drug war stigmatizes drug users into avoiding treatment.

The drug war killed your friends.

Keep your silly sanctimonious crap about 'pot killed my friends' to yourself.

This kind of ignorance makes me SOOOO fucking mad.

[Jose Diablo]

98. Don't misquote

"Keep your silly sanctimonious crap about 'pot killed my friends' to yourself.

Thats not what I said. I never said pot killed my friends. I said dope. Read the post again.

Talk about being sanctimonious, pot meet kettle.

This is called a strawman (in the form of a misquote), then a ad hominin.

As for "pot never killed anyone", do you know the path the 1200-1500 pounds/day traveled to reach Marv's industrius enterprise. You sure nobody got 'iced' in Mexico or Columbia, to help any of those deliveries along?

Besides, like Jukes said, its off topic. Let it rest.

[truthspeaker]

112. They were killed by pot? I highly doubt it.

[mountainvue]

111. It's what the American

Dream has become.

[porphyrian]

75. The Nature of Welfare

Not to defend your son-in-law, as it's your Divine Right (if not duty) to hate whoever ends up with your daughter and to never think he's good enough for her. However, the way welfare is set up in this country, you have to do almost nothing to receive it. If he were to even work full time, they would likely lose half if not all of their benefits. It's the system, and anyone who's been in it knows all about it. In fact, I'm surprised they got married - there are a number of benefits that only apply to single parents. The thing is that the very complaints most people have about people abusing welfare are conditions created by welfare itself. Until welfare promotes rather than punishes people who try to work for a living, this problem will not go away.

That said, I realize that you could get son-in-law a job if they were to move 90 miles to where you are, and I'm sure they realize this as well. Maybe you intimidate him, maybe they like it where they are, maybe they just don't want to move a hundred miles right now. It's even possible that, in some twisted way, they are trying to show you that they can do it on their own. I don't fucking know. What I do know is that people on welfare are vicimized twice - once in being forced to get on welfare, and again for being on it. Let's blame the system, not the poor people stuck with it.

[drdigi420]

95. I dont have a problem with your Hummer

as long as you keep it out of my way.

I prefer a vehicle that handles better. But, then again, I drive on pavement.

[TransitJohn]

97. You wouldn't

"This area is in the middle of a big oil and gas drilling boom right now and every company here is shorthanded. Because of my business I have tons of connections and can easily get him a job."


You wouldn't happen to be in Wyoming would you?

[Marvelous_Smarty]

107. I am in West Texas

[truthspeaker]

78. There's a balance to be found between those extremes

I believe a successful society has to take some resources from those who can afford it to help those who have been disadvantaged work their way to self-sufficiency. I have no trouble with some of my tax money going to help those who can't work, can't find work, or who work 50 hours a week at two jobs and still can't pay the bills. Of course I don't want any of my money going to those who can't work. The system needs to be tweaked and reformed from time to time to acheive that balance.

I agree, to an extent, that it is unrealistic to expect people to examine the broader consequences of everything they do. That's why I support a higher gas tax: use more gasoline, pay more for the consequences.

[LSU_Subversive]

52. You know what's really sad?

Usually I'm a cynic. Then once in a great while I become a believer in my fellow man. That's what happened when I read your post in the other thread (I think it was the men with poor self-esteem thread). I thought you were joking (e.g., speeding, etc). I almost sent you a reply with a "Good One, ha ha" message. Glad I didn't. How sad. I think I'll go back to being a cynic now. Thanks.

[truthspeaker]

80. I read the same post and found nothing disturbing about it at all

Believe it or not, there are race tracks all around the country where you can legally ride 170mph on a motorcycle.

[Marvelous_Smarty]

84. Those are called "Track Days."

I have an old CBR900-RR that is race prepped and ride only on the track when ever I can. It is a blast. Go as fast as you want with having to worry about SUVs, potholes and such.

[Th1onein]

46. Don't worry, Marvelous........

Some people get their panties in bunch, some don't. Welcome to DU, hummer or no hummer.

[Norquist Nemesis]

68. I'll second that welcome!

:hi: :toast:

[Unperson 309]

62. Honest Differences Can Exist Between Friends.

While I find the idea of owning/driving a Hummer disgusting personally, I'm not going to be nasty about it. Suffice to say that our lives are the direct result of our decisions and I very much hope that your life becomes better as a result of decisions you will make in the future.

Kudos on getting out after the "sweet leaf" rap! And welcome to DU! :)

Please disregard the ones who may snipe at you. There are those who wish to enforce a sort of conformity on every board and this one is no exception. We all need to forget differences for a while and all pull in the same direction or we're definitely SUNK!

Take care and be well.

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[Kanary]

31. Yup, figured that.........

But all trolls and pukes, especially those who trumpet they're driving hummers, need to enlist and hit the sand.

Let 'em do the "right thing"......

If they're able......:)

Kanary

[Tight_rope]

57. Welcome to DU Marvelous_Smarty!

[slutticus]

70. Welcome to DU!!!

Don't worry about some of the people here. They LOVE to complain for the sake of complaining. Don't let them scare you away!!!! You'll know who they are soon enough.





:hi:

[ChocolateSaltyBalls]

4. Why do you feel like you (we) are the ones who will.........

end up defeated and on the wrong side of locked prison doors?

If as you suggest there is a "red-blue death match" going on, why do you feel that we are going to lose it?

[WillyT]

8. Oh, I'm Not Saying Were Gonna Lose "It"...

I'm saying that we may have to fight and scrape for it!

If police roadblocks and ID checks are put up to dissuade voters (minority or otherwise) from voting, this time we may have to 'insist' on voting.

If peaceful protesters are told to disperse from a gathering place, we may have to tell them NO!!!

If ANYBODY fucks with this vote, and this DEMOCRACY again...

This time, unlike last time, we may have to FIGHT for it!!!

That's what I'm talkin about.

You?

:shrug:

[ChocolateSaltyBalls]

10. My feeling about the sorts of points and concerns you raise.......

is that they are for the most part hyperbole and paranoia.

While I agree that the political climate in this country is quite disturbing and acerbic, I just don't feel that there is a great bloodletting on the horizon.

[WillyT]

14. Didn't Suggest (Or Intend To) A Great Bloodletting...

I suggested that in order to bypass any impediments to my exercising my franchise, I might have to pop somebody in the gub.

Or protest an illegal decision, etc...

Actions that, in this era, might cause my butt to be thrown in jail!

You didn't get that from my little ole post???

:shrug:

[ChocolateSaltyBalls]

16. I'm sure you'll be able to exercise your franchise........

and if you feel the need to pop somebody in the gub as you do so, then go ahead......however, if you then find yourself in a prison cell, blame yourself, not Bush and friends.

[WillyT]

17. Is Bush YOUR Friend... Friend ???

:wtf:

[ChocolateSaltyBalls]

18. Oh boy........

Where exactly have you found a clue in what I've written that would lead you to believe that I have warm feelings toward Bush?

[WillyT]

22. Ok, Maybe I Misunderstood... So Where Were You During Election 2000 !!!

Are you saying that everyone in Florida was able to excercise their franchise??? Do you think that all those problems have been corrected as of now???

Do tell!

:shrug:

[ChocolateSaltyBalls]

26. I was (sadly) in Denver at the time.........

and it's clear to everyone that Florida in 2000 was an extreme low point in American Democracy.

I think that while all of the problems that were present then are certainly not fixed, I do believe that this time around it will be impossible to steal the election; more than anything else I don't think it will be close enough to steal, but even if it were there are too many people who now recognize the shenanigans that are preparing to do whatever is necessary (without violence) to avert another disaster.

In my view, what happened in Florida happened because it occurred in a vacuum...no one expected it nor saw it coming; this time things are very different.

[WillyT]

37. I Hope You Are Correct CSB, I Truly Do !!!

But, as always, hope for the best, plan for the worst!

:hi:

[ursacorwin]

51. i have to take issue with your logic.

right now, americans are 'accepting' a whole mess of evil, or ignoring it (like child rape in iraq). i confess to falling down on the job in 2000 and not going to a lot of protests i knew of, but i also suspect that except for those of us at sites like these, it'll be the same deal this year. americans are fat, lazy, and unconcerned with their gov't, and addicted to tv. the tv people are busy telling us so many lies about how 'close' it's going to be, and when bush uses the machines in some key states to steal votes again, most people will think it totally CT to say that he did so.

DU is not (sadly) a true reflection of america today. and bush&co have many, many resources and tricks up their sleeves. you really shouldn't be so complacent in thinking that everything will be OK just because some of us know what happened in the past. one thing is sure about this country- we just don't have a sense of history at all.

[LSU_Subversive]

55. My thoughts exactly.

[ChocolateSaltyBalls]

59. You're welcome to take issue.........

but I have more faith that the fat, lazy Americans you refer to are a lot more on the ball than you want to give them credit for.

I also don't put all that much stock in the GOP's resources and tricks, as I said in an earlier post, I don't think this election will be close enough to steal even using the myriad of dirty dealings the Republicans may or may not have at their disposal.

Americans as a whole may not have much of a sense of history, but I am betting on the fact that more than 50 million of us do, and that it extends back at least four years.

[indigobusiness]

71. "Comfortably numb"

was running through my mind as I ran across your post.

Well said.

[Unperson 309]

64. Nobody Really Expected the Sixties Either!

While I think the populace is more docile than it was, then, I KNOW we are capable of getting REALLY pissed off REALLY quick!

The engine that drove the protesters in the Sixties was the injustice of the draft and the war. If the draft is reinstated officially, we WILL have protests again matching the civil unrest of the Sixties. believe this.

MANY things which I thought impossible have happened in my lifetime. And frankly, I HOPE we get riled up enough to start rocking police cars and lobbing chunks of concrete again!

The differences I think will emerge between this wave of protest and the Sixties is this: It will be more cynical, less "peace love and understanding" because the wellspring of dissent will rise from the former Sixties protesters and inform the youth of today. NO more "love-ins" NO more flowers in the guns, NO more happy-horse-shit-hymns. This time it's blood!

I'm ready. Hell, I'm fucking PAST ready!!

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[Aunt Anti-bush]

23. I am not a trouble causer ...

I am not a trouble seeker, either. But I would have to agree on my right to "INSIST" on voting. No one better even try to stop me. Maybe we can share a cell? :shrug:

[WillyT]

24. THAT Is What I'm Sayin Exactly !!!

You want top bunk or bottom bunk, LOL!!!

:hi:

[Aunt Anti-bush]

25. If I had to spend even one day in jail

I would probably sleep UNDER the bottom bunk. :scared:

[Unperson 309]

63. AMEN!!

In the Sixties, the Missus was a folk-singing-card-carrying-sign-toting protester! She was teargassed at a couple of protests. I've carried signs myself. I've been in handcuffs, but never seen the inside of a cell (yet) and we have both faced down police during protest marches.

When the shit hits the fan we WILL be in the streets backing our fellow citizens. As for being jailed... I have nothing to lose! I'm perfectly willing to go toe to toe with the chickenhawk bastards in the White House.

And, Hell... if I end up doing time, it will take care of my retirement! Three hots and a cot instead of being homeless in my old age.

As a prominent suffragette once said: "We must march, my darlings!"

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[BiggJawn]

27. Because we're LIBERALS, and we're AFRAID of GUNS!!!

Didn't you know? And besides, they have tanks, and A-10's, and Hum-Vees (all of which have been effectively dealt with for cheap elsewhere)

[Forkboy]

40. I'm not afraid of guns

it's the large contingent of idiots that wield them.

[AntiCoup2K4]

106. Isn't everything a "contest" these days?

Or maybe competition is a better word? Like a football game perhaps?

[PragMantisT]

5. I'm kinda worried about getting shot and killed

As I take to the street to protest *'s reselection on illegal grounds. The worst part being that my Freeper family would just chalk it up to "he had it coming. He got what he deserved." I've been thinking of getting married real fast so there is someone there with my name and rights to sue on my behalf.

[RoyGBiv]

7. Sometimes...

A friend and I, along with a few members of our families, have developed contingency plans centered on the idea that one or more of us may end up arrested on or near election day this year. This goes all the way from arranging for bail and lawyers if necessary, and if the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus has not been suspended, to how to act in the event of martial law being declared nationally or locally.

Such plans are, I hope, vast overkill, but the important point is that more than one of us began to feel making such plans were not strange. My friends parents have even bought land "elsewhere" and made arrangements to get to it should that become necessary.

The notion that we're staring into the looking glass with one foot prepared to step through has been rapidly forming in my mind ever since January 2001.

[LoZoccolo]

9. Nah, not at all.

They don't even have enough troops to declare martial law, and probably most of them wouldn't cooperate anyways. Look at how much things have improved regarding dissent in the last year! We've got a lot of people who would take a stand and thus encourage others and so on.

[Murdock]

29. If the State would do this to kids...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/07/national/main582492.shtml

They would be more than happy to shoot at Liberals...

I might be a bit biased, but Its been my experience that most law enforcement has gone waaaaaay over to the right in recent years.. as well as military..

[indigobusiness]

73. Over-cocked and over-ready

Like Waco... The police state has been sharpened and primed and is overeager to the point of forcing the action.

[Eric J in MN]

15. Advice: don't go to any protests in the near future.

Seriously, if you see yourself throwing something or fighting at a protest in the near future and getting arrested, then...

...don't go to any protests in the near future.

[ChocolateSaltyBalls]

20. That is excellent advice.........

but the draw to protest the G.O.P convention that's only taking place 15 miles from me is almost overwhelming.

[Eric J in MN]

41. If you must go to protest the GOP, wear a suit and tie.

Don't make it easy for the media to characterize you as a wild man.

[ChocolateSaltyBalls]

That is exactly what I plan to do.........

and I've been recommending the same to everyone who is planning to attend the protests.

It's the only way.

[Djinn]

110. that's what I've always done

at various protests - keep my tatts covered and wear my work gear which is pretty conservative, particularly anti WTO type demo's, not so much to avoid getting arrested or batoned by the cops but so that Mr and Mrs Joe Suburbs can't write off everyone they see on the news at a protest as a stinking feral.

Don't know how much good it does though, media tends to focus on the dreadlocked contingent and the balaclava'd lot (who tend to do all the damage yet NEVER get arrested despite being pretty conspicuous...not that I'd suggest they were cop plants at all)

If I was a US citizen I gotta say I'd be feeling pretty nervous about the upcoming election and what may come after it.

[Marvelous_Smarty]

30. Violent Protests is what the Pepublicans want to happen.

Peaceful but vocal protests, at least at the RNC are the best way to go. If the protests get violent, then we all get painted by a very broad brush.

[Pachamama]

54. Yeah, that was part of the problem at the Pre-Iraq War Protests

The anarchist showed up at a few, destroyed public property and "Starbucks" stores and then that is what made the "News" not the fact that Mommy's like me with the baby stroller en mass were out there protesting peacefully in the 10's and 100's of Thousands....

I was going to be going to Boston and NYC for the conventions, but decided against it because I have a 6 month old and there was no way I could endanger her...not because of my actions but what I fear is coming from others....

[Forkboy]

19. Wouldn't be the first time

:D

[LSU_Subversive]

43. Yup, at the RNC protests

My partner and I plan to keep out of trouble as much as we can when we're at the Counter Convention in NYC. We don't look like trouble-maker sorts, but the last protest we've been to was waaaay to close to becoming violent for my comfort. It's frightening because we both have so much to lose as we work in the public health field and an arrest on our records could really harm our professional future. We're going anyways. If not now, then when? If not us, then who? Right?

[WillyT]

44. Right On LSU !!! - And Hey...

did ya see my reply to you here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=1419901

:hi:

[LSU_Subversive]

49. Hey Man, thanks for the props!

I checked out your reply. Wow, it's good to hear from someone that knows what the hell I'm talkin about when I brag, brag, brag, about my hometown. Needless to say, but I'll say it anyways, your post made me even more homesick than I already am. That's hard to do. And Cirino's ... (I think I've even forgotten how to spell it and that's sad) ..., how I miss thee. If you're still in Sac-town, take some time off and drive up to the Yuba for me. Then come back and tell me all about it that way I can live through the experience vicariously.

:toast:

[WillyT]

50. You Got It !!!

:bounce::toast::bounce:

[Pachamama]

45. Proud Mommy to have been jailed once after protesting peacefully

Once in Los Angeles for a protest against a large corporation and our blocking an intersection and then arrested by LAPD (treated nicely).

I will happily risk getting arrested in a peaceful protest again like that as a statement of my freedom of speech. I do however think that with scary groups like the "Protest Warriors" that my fear is that they will do something to provoke or get violent and that others, who are gathering and assembling to express themselves peacefully will be arrested wrongly or get injured.

My vision of jail for any of us is in the horrible prospect of a future Bu$h administration and if they implement their "police state" and we were declared "enemy combatants" and held without the right to a lawyer....that's how they will get rid of their enemies and no one will ever know the truth....

[Marvelous_Smarty]

56. Being that I am on parole,

getting arrested again is not an option for me. I'll sit this one out.

[grasswire]

61. I guess....

....this is what patriots felt when they realized that they must be willing to sacrifice their lives, fortune, and/or sacred honor.

[mopinko]

65. i'm with you willyt

wild in the streets is an open invitation for them to lock us up and throw away the key. that's why i think the discussions we were having last week about a general strike and/or consumer boycott in the event of election shenanigans is such a good one. they can't throw you in jail for refusing to go to walmart. and i'd rather be unemployed than in jail (ok, i'm self employed. i don't count, but...)
and shutting down the economy strikes the real powers that be, more so than the puppets.

[talleyJudy]

69. mopinko, I love the button...

but it's backwards, it should be

NO WORK

NO VOTE

since the 'workers' provide the government with the government's
income, the 'workers' should have the 'say' as to how their (the
workers') money is used and spent.

[mopinko]

72. what you say is true, but

it is a promise of an action that will follow their action, so it is in chronological order. and it would work because you are right, no workers, no government, no nothing. and they will have a hard time finding us all, and finding an excuse to arrest us, or crack our heads open.

[truthspeaker]

66. No, it's only for personal use.

[JayS]

79. No jail cell can hold me!

I have a lot of furniture. :)

[TX-RAT]

82. I can arrange that

We have wonderful accommodations here.

[JayS]

83. Are the towels Martha Stewart brand? I'm picky about that. :) n/t

n/t

[TX-RAT]

87. Absolutely

You'll also get room service, or serviced in your room.

[Taverner]

85. I'm Sure Karl Rove has custom cells in Rex 84 built for all of us

All the more reason why Bush must lose...

[Octafish]

103. Ovens. Rove's granddaddy engineered Birkenau.

Hope to serve as a friend of the court for the trial.



http://www.geocities.com/bushfamilynazis/bnfreepress.html

[jukes]

88. body bag for me

kavorkian or o'wise.

no way i can do time.

[Justpat]

92. I've had the same feeling since '98.

Can't seem to shake it. And it doesn't scare me.

We are at a pivotal place in our history and we will
decide to live up to our American heritage of fighting
for our independence and civil rights.

[Octafish]

101. In BUSH's Future!

Jail to the Thief!



Traitors.

[MoonRiver]

102. I doubt many Dems will end up in jail.

We WILL be silenced though.

[WillyT]

104. "HEZBOLLAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!"

Nuff said...

Listen here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2038271

And it's only gonna get worse...I Think...

:shrug:

[WLKjr]

109. The epitamy of right wingnut neocon followers

and she couldn't name a source, and you know why? cuz all she could spew was ad hominems and couldn't site a source. That would make her a .........................................

LIAR!

[WLKjr]

108. Well if the crap hits the fan in Nov.

yeah I get the heebe jeebies thought too.