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Lone_Wolf_Moderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 11:34 PM
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Poll question: The Sandy Berger scandal is..
Frankly, I'm concerned. A whole lot. WTF was he thinking? Tell me what you think...
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 11:37 PM
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1. IGNORE IT.
That's what Kerry needs to do. Just that, and nothing more.
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 11:42 PM
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2. 2 and 3
Berger did something extremely stupid

he resigned from Kerry's campaign over it today, according to news reports and I think that is good

his resignation makes it a non issue

berger was always kind of stupid in my estimation ( a democratic hawk)

who made things worse on peace in Israel/Palestine.


I think his actions were stupid and mildly damaging (like Clinton's BJ's) which hurt a lot in the context of a right wing media in control

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 11:50 PM
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3. Fuck them! If ANYONE mentions it to me, I'll respond with, "yeah,
how 'bout that Sandy Berger. Boy, aren't politicians such prevaricating creeps? How 'bout that Donald Rumsfeld... he's pretty creepy too, with all those orders to anally rape those little boys, while filming the torture and child porn for his buddies Dick, Wolfie and Georgie. Aren't they sick motherfuckers?"
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 12:59 AM
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8. I'll laugh and tell them I'm a lot more worried about the missing records
of Dimwit that were inadvertently destroyed by the Pentagon....or maybe that we should be more concerned about the outing of Plame as a CIA operative by the White House Leak....

I like your answer Swamp Rodent, but I'd be worried it might not sound so great coming out of a Mommy's mouth at the playground....although I do think those very same thoughts...

Oi Swamp'r! How hot and humid is it there in N'orleans tonite?
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 01:07 AM
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11. Hi Pachamama
Yes, it is hot and humid and the AC broke on my car today... I have NO patience for freepers right now. "We're not gonna take it... NO! WE ain't gonna take it... we're not gonna take it anymore!"

So how are the wee ones?
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 01:26 AM
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18. Oi Swamp'R! AC broke in N'Orleans...not good...
...gawd help the Freeper that runs into you...tired from studies and no AC and having to listen to the daily Sh*t that comes out of this administrations mouth...

The wee ones are great...the littlest one has gone from speed crawling to "the climber" (like you described yourself)...I'm having to grab everything and babyproof the place and she keeps finding something to climb....
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 01:45 AM
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20. Watch out for bookshelves... crazy crawlin' babies love to climb 'em.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 11:57 PM
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4. Mishandling classified documents is bad
Outing a CIA operative, hacking the opposition's computer systems, etc. are pure evil!

Believe me, a liberal Democrat gets a speeding ticket it will become a national crises accroding to these folks.

Revoke Berger's security clearance and get over it.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 12:02 AM
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5. There's no there there.
Why should anyone give a fuck about this? Please explain what is at stake here other than another partisan game of gotcha.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 12:11 AM
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6. Exactly!
I will loudly laugh in the face of ANYONE who mentions it within earshot of me. If I want to be extra mean, I could say under my breath, "rape rooms... sodomy... Bush... rape rooms..."

I have been contemplating lately on how to really piss off freepers. Tell them the truth, but don't be nice about it at all. The trick is to do this ONLY after they start it. Then pummel them with the unvarnished truth.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 01:03 AM
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9. Fight Fire w/ Fire
Did you read my posting with my Father-in-law's review of F 9/11? He's getting rave DU reviews...at 75, he thinks its funny that I "posted" his letter reviewing the film to the DU...

Anyway, he and I have had extensive conversations about the extents to which this administration and its co-horts the media have thrown out the "rule book" and the only way to compete is to "fight fire with fire"....

I think the fire needs to come from the belly and be as brutal if not more than their fire....fire it right back at them....You can be the "Flame thrower" Swamp Rodent.... :hi: :grr:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 01:15 AM
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12. Really? Please PM me the link of your dad's review
As for flaming RW fools - I'm a lean mean, freeper stompin' machine! Since the news about torturing and raping children in Abu Ghraib hit DU, I have lost any remaining modesty in the expression of my opinions and feelings.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 01:20 AM
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15. Believe me Swamp'R, the Abu Ghraib Torture, particularly of kids has
...got me madder than anything and I'll join you in being a lean mean, freeper stompin'machine....when these films and pix come out that Seymour Hersh and others have seen and talked about, (and they will come out) I will throw them in the face of every single freeper and Repuke who dares to talk about "Compassionate Conservatism"....

Here's Papa's review of F 9/11...its made the Front Page of the DU....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum
=104&topic_id=2029843
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 01:24 AM
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17. Link didn't work
Got an error message
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 01:28 AM
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19. Try this link
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2029843&mesg_id=2029843

If that doesn't work, just look on the front home page of DU or on 1st page of the General Discussion....
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Curious Dave Donating Member (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 12:38 AM
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7. In Time
I believe Berger will be proven to have been a BFEE plant set in place years ago to embaress the Dems at some point.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 01:05 AM
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10. The Berger investigation has been going on for months...Puhleeze....
...and suddenely Dennis Fatshit Hassert and the rest of the Repukes are concerned?

Yeah, just another "Mass Distraction" from the real issues and the upcoming release of the 9/11 commission report....
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 01:16 AM
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13. I just heard Bernie Ward say the EXACT same thing you just posted.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 01:22 AM
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16. Yeah Bernie....great minds think a like....
:yourock:
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 01:17 AM
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14. The timing is HIGHLY suspect
What he did was stupid and illegal. There should be an investigation (and there was- 7 MONTHS AGO). For this to all come out now is nothing more than a political stunt, and frankly, not even a good one.
WTF does it prove? That Sandy Bergen can do what we college kids do by sneaking out documents of the library? Please.
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 01:47 AM
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21. 2, 3, and 4
Big deal (it'll ruin his career) from an honest mistake, leaked to distract from the 9/11 commission.
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SCRUBDASHRUB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 06:28 PM
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22. Just in time for our convention, too.
Edited on Wed Jul-21-04 06:30 PM by SCRUBDASHRUB
That was a careless thing of Berger to do. I think it was the right thing for him to do as far as stepping down as an adviser.
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Bush was AWOL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 06:31 PM
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23. Thought it was a big deal at first, but now that facts are out
it is nothing more than an attempt of deflection from the report that is coming out tomorrow.
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