What Democratic Traits or Personalities Embarass you the most?

[mopaul]

example: joe lieberman. he personally embarasses us a lot i think, and his smarmy me-too-ism and appeasement to the radical righties.

what is it about certain democrats, or democrats as a whole, that rile you? and why?

too many left wing wackos? too many michael moore's, or not enough?
too many begalas and carvilles, or not enough? are democrats too nice, or not nice enough?

crazy conspiracy theorists bug you? or tree huggers and peta people?
be honest and brutal, i can take it.

[rpannier]

1. Not enough Carville's

too many wusses.

[CWebster]

2. Kerry.

[mopaul]

3. why? just curious

[CWebster]

6. I wouldn't know where to start

He encapsulates all that ails the present state of the Democratic party. This election should be a landslide when the crimes of the Bush administration are taken into account, but the present leadership is so complicit and so incompetent due to their triangulating "centrism" that they are compromised and left rudderless. That the best they can do is squeak by when running against a president who took the country to war based on lies and deception is pathetic.

[Hubert Flottz]

10. Well said!

Bush Lite, ain't Right! But I do think that Kerry is far better than some of the others, when it comes to his entire record! Our guys were stampeded into the Iraqi WAR, just like they were stampeded in the case of the Patriot Act! Would you or I have done things another way, if, we had been fed the same misinformation congress was fed and under the same amount of pressure they were under at the time those votes came up?

I contend that Joe or even Zell would STILL be better than the fool we have in the WH now!

[CWebster]

12. How many times does this have to be countered?

Everytime you defend these lily-livered politicians that tried to cover their arses rather than do their job, you are dishonoring all the brave congresspeople who did stand up and be counted, even in a hostile environment. Most of the world and many people in the US were not buying the endless lies being pushed to sell this war - that Kerry claims he was misled is just another lie.

[BlueEyedSon]

4. Zell Miller

Althought Miller & Lieberman are actually DINOs....

[Hubert Flottz]

5. The ones that bad mouth my state are the fucking dregs!

I think they might just be a few freeper trolls playing like democrats! GOPers are so fuckin' dumb that, the fuckin' trolls may not even know they are fuckin' trolls! Kind of like how, "Zell from Hell" don't have a fuckin' clue he's a GOPer!

[Connie_Corleone]

7. Too weak...

We don't fight back and always let the Republicans move us more to the right.

[punpirate]

8. Too many Democrats who didn't...

... listen to or ignored what Grover Norquist said about shrinking government until it could be drowned in the bathtub. Too many who didn't listen to the same asshole when he said, "bipartisanship is just another word for date rape."

Too many who are afraid to stand up and take away the weapons with which the Repugs have surrounded themselves--values (of which they've been mostly hypocritical), the military (which they've used for political and corporate purposes) and campaign money illicitly influencing government (which they never, even when in control of Congress, would actually do anything about in any serious way). All other ills follow from those failings.

The Democrats, for twenty or more years, have listened far too much to the people who run the conservative wing of the party, or have gotten money from them.

Here's something every Democratic politician ought to ask himself or herself: If every Democrat running for office in the last twenty-five years campaigned and legislated in the same way as Paul Wellstone or anyone else who was completely focused on the ordinary citizen, where would we be right now? Where would the far right be right now?

The far right would be a splinter group. All four Bush wars would never have been fought. Taxation would once again be fair and Wall Street would not be running economic policy. America would be praised around the world, because it gave money for AIDS research and drugs without condition, encouraged family planning and sensible health care and economic policy for those in other countries.

Our own people would have fared better, been more prosperous, been more willing to devote time and money to the neediest in the world.

America would be seen as devoted to humanity and decency. 9/11 would have never happened, because the potential perpetrators would have been vilified and exposed for what they were and what they intended, wherever they tried to hide.

Life might have been different. Better. For everyone.

[CWebster]

13. Very nice post. nt

[bryant69]

9. I get bugged by both too weak and too strong Demos

The Democrats in Congress in particular bug me for not standing up more. I understand they are in a tough spot; they don't have a majority, and they need to work with these people. They don't want to tilt at windmills. But if they don't present a real alternative to the Republicans, well, the party will continue to be marginalized.

On the other hand, here at Democratic Underground, the people that bug me the most are those who are wedded to a certain type of tactic. We all want the same thing; a strong, progressive America that we can be proud of. But often when we differ on tactics, it's treated the same as if we differed on principle.

The classic example is the "is Bush a Nazi" debate. Nobody here thinks that President Bush is a good guy (or if they do they shouldn't so much be here). Some people here think it is appropriate to call him a Nazi. Others don't (I think it is ineffective and inaccurate, although mostly ineffective). But why does talking about it generate so much heat?

Anyway I could go on. I should note, however, that the failures of spineless Democrats in Congress have far more lasting consequences than some people here who won't let go of a tactic.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Sparrow]

11. the inconsistencies:

repubs believe in neo-con pnac fascism(A)
democratic party believes in will of the people(B)
democratic party says B=A , which I disagree with.

[The Backlash Cometh]

14. I guess it should be said...

Here's specific things that I witnessed Democrats doing and it boils down to one thing: unforgivable naivete.

One Democrat was put into office on the shoulders of his Republican golfing buddies. Once in office, he used his position to browbeat a corrupt attorney, and in doing so, put himself in such legal and financial difficulty that he quickly became a pawn for the forces that he tried to combat. In order to survive financially, he became just as corrupt if not more so than the higher arch Republicans in the county -- even to the point of shocking his Republican neighbors!

(BTW, there are two things that seem to be apparent about Republicans. They are all for property rights when it benefits them in their own businesses, but they don't support it in their own neighborhoods when developers try to apply the same rules in their own backyards.)

Another Democrat used his business to gather incriminating information on his opponent, and then tried to use that information by spreading the shocking information. The opponent's supporters sent mailers to everyone in the community saying, "How would you like it if this guy gets into office and has access to your private information?"

The same Democrat proved he could easily be seduced and conned which left little confidence to support him. When I discovered a parcel of property in a sensitive area which had been part of a donation to the city and which was still accruing taxes which were being paid by an unknown individual, I brought it to this attention thinking that he would save the city a lawsuit which might happen if the property were adversely possessed. But when he heard what I had to say he commented, "Yes, I know about that property and it would make a great place for a private homestead."

Unbelievable. Left me wondering if it was worth the trouble to expend energy and hopes on anyone.

[lapislzi]

15. I hate it when people denigrate working-class folks

especially comments (like one I just heard on AAR) about "beer-swilling slugs." At this time very few in American politics stands up for working people, or poor people--and they're all painted as ultra-lefties, fringe types.

When we express contempt for people in the lower economic strata, it has two effects: it paints us as intellectual elitists, snobs, etc. It also allows the socially conservative arm of the GOP to insert wedge issues, thereby goading these very real voters into voting contrary to their own economic interests.

Maybe if we'd stop putting people down and offered them some respect they might actually vote for us.

[LarryBaker]

17. Very true

I can't believe how often I hear dems using words like trailer-trash, rednecks, knuckle-draggers etc, or just white trash. (Mind you, you can never denigrate blacks or hispanics the same way, or you're not a good liberal). Talk about standing up for these unfortunate people. It really leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and it plays right into the hands of the Republican agenda.

Edit: Oh yeah, what embarasses me? That Democrats are pandering to this Republican agenda beyond belief!

[quisp]

16. I'm struck by the fact that you would NEVER

see this thread over in freeperville.

BTW, Zell Miller embarasses me. Actually I'm embarassed for him. It must be hard to belong to a party you hate.

[bearfartinthewoods]

18. people who put the party ahead of the country

and people who put their own agenda ahead of the party.