nukes were found in bagdad today.

[onethatcares]

something like three of them.buried 18 ft underground. Looks like the 9/11 report is really going to be buried.

[BlueEyedSon]

1. Nope. Article retracted already.

[against all enemies]

27. Rush reported it as fact today.

Boy once a guy gets hooked on drugs he will believe anything. Oh, by the way Rush baby, how's the divorce going? Probably have to give her the house in FLA and all the money or she'll spill the beans about your nasty drug habit and tiny penis.

[iconoclastic cat]

2. I so don't buy it.

I want more sources. This smells fishy.

[WoodrowFan]

3. got a link? (NT)

[lil-petunia]

18. According to reuters

the Iraqi gov't already said that the news was a hoax and that no such bunker has been found, much less any nukes.

The initial report was highly incredible: where was the plutonium or Uranium from? USSR? after 12 years? China? NK? hardly. And where did they come up with a working design small enough, yet robust enough to blow up after being lobbed by a missile? Designing an explosive device is not all that hard. Spend some time in a library (OOPS, Ashcroft's goons will find out - use a pseudonym) Getting some of the hardware, including triggering mechanisms that blow up at the same time is a little tougher. Shape the charges around the Uranium properly so it implodes to reach critical mass - and there you go, a handy dandy toy ready for any Florida election booth. Set the timer for Nov 2, and whoosh, the shrub steals another election.

Unfortunately, you will have to over-engineer, your materials will be really heavy, and the damned thing will weight a ton. No way can you fit it into a missile, not a small one with a tiny payload and small platform capability. Today's US missile launched nuke is a true gem of engineering genius, inspiration, perspiration and DECADES of live tests underground. Ergo, the chances that Saddam built one himself during a decade of overflights, sanctions, trading barricades and knowing that the UN and US were watching his every move, including each and every import? Could it have happened? sure, but the Cubs might win the world series, too. Well, it is even less likely that than.

So, since it is nearly impossible for you to build it from scratch, at least not without leaving all sorts of tell-tale signs that were specifically NOT FOUND by the Joint Commission, all that leaves is you getting it from another source. Ie, another country. OK, then, from where?

USSR's warheads were notorious for being poorly maintained, poorly counted and sometimes lost. that is not the case for NK, Israel, US, UK, France, Today's Russia, etc. There were serious rumors in the mid 1990s that you could buy a warhead, sans missile for a cool ten million. More often than not, the rumors were false. But not all of them. Some did get out. But did they get out to AQ? Possibly. Saddam? very doubtful.

Recall one of Clinton's greatest and cheapest victories. Although the repukes in Congress underfunded year after year, the 250,000,000 or so spent on buying off the Russian military bear and taking out and off of the market of nukes, chemical and bioweapons had to be the most efficient and most successful of policies ever envisioned. Pity they never got to finish their job. The number of nukes they took off the market is awesome.

Again, all of the facts, put into a rational discussion show the whole report was bogus.

[WoodrowFan]

35. thanks

It smelled fishy. I wanted to see who was making the claim. I had five bucks on Newsmax!

[Hoping4Change]

4. Gee how verrry convenient. Nobody would ever suppose they

might have been planted by a desperate gang of criminals occupying the WH?

[louis-t]

5. Just happened to find them today?

Maybe that's why Jenna was sticking her tongue out.

[bryant69]

6. Any links?

I just checked the New York Times, MSNBC and Fox News; didn't see anything there. It is nice that you are ahead of them, but you'd have more credibility if you had more than a one word assertion.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[LittleApple81]

7. Debunked twice already. Search DU. n/t

[BlueEyedSon]

8. More.....

Iraq dismisses nuclear find report
Wed 21 July, 2004 14:46

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraq's Interior Ministry has dismissed as "stupid" a report in a local newspaper that said three nuclear missiles were found near Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit.

A senior U.S. military official told reporters on Wednesday he had no information on the report in the Iraqi newspaper al-Sabah. He said officials were checking the report.

Asked by Reuters about the report, a spokesman at the Interior Ministry said: "It's stupid."

The report, picked up the United Press International news agency, sent the U.S. dollar higher against other major currencies on the foreign exchanges.

more: http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=551156§ion=news

[arcane1]

11. "The report, picked up the United Press International news agency"

AKA the Moonie-owned UPI

imagine that

[Pabst Blue Democrat]

24. I'm starting to believe that this is all a tactic....

They put headline or a little blurb about potential discovery of WMD every so often. It is quietly debunked soon thereafter....but if people see these false alarm headlines enough times, their eventually going to be tricked into creating a memory that WMD were indeed found. We've all seen the polls that show the dumbfounding percentages of people who believe that WMD have been found. It's all very Orwellian.

It's the same thing with OBL. Have you guys noticed how many times that we've caught Bin Laden's "right-hand-man?" How many different right-hand-men can one guy have? As long as we always believe that we are on the brink of catching him, we'll keep the faith.

[bloom]

28. that's what I think, also

Just saw a freeper saying just that, as a matter of fact. "They HAVE found WMD's". Those who get their "news" from Rush. :eyes:

[jmowreader]

29. What they're not telling you

Osama bin Laden is really a Shiva. You know, the Hindu goddess with six arms.

Because Osama's no Hindu, this Shiva is a bit different from other Shivas--he has six right arms. Each right arm has a right hand.

Therefore, Osama needs six right-hand men.

Either that, or "right-hand man to Osama bin Laden" is about as secure a job as "car starter for a Mafiosa." Lotsa turnover in that position.

There is the possibility that we're just dragging guys in off the street and declaring them OBL's right-hand man to disguise the ugly truth that we don't know who the hell they are, but that would suggest Bush is a lying sack of shit and we all know he's as honest as the day is long, right?

[xray s]

30. you bet its a tactic

and it works on the hard core base of the BFEE. Moonie UPI to Limbaugh to the minds of the dolts who suck it in without question or doubt.

[R3dD0g]

9. Already been debunked by those flaming liberals at

the Washington Toons

http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20040721-081009-2541r.htm

[tabasco]

10. Always carefully consider the source of your information ...

and be loathe to rumor monger. Good words of advice.

http://tinyurl.com/445ro

[GregW]

12. Looks like you were "one that cared" not to verify the story/source

Better luck next time :eyes:

[onethatcares]

13. my apologies,

I got home from work, was on another board and it was posted there. Thanx for the rebuttal material.

[MikeG]

14. It was a typo. Cukes were found in Baghdad.

Big juicy cucumbers.

Good. They need them.

[Viking12]

16. No it was Nikes...n/t

[Tansy_Gold]

20. No, it was nudes

n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

15. These kind of discoveries will happen until November.

It's too late anyway. Saddam had STOCKPILES of Anthrax, Serin, Botulin, yellowcake and mobile weapons labs. We were going to have a MUSHROOM CLOUD over our country at any fu***** moment. It's too damn late for this kind of bullshit. The whole invasion was an EMERGENCY. We had to invade...RIGHT NOW.

Any discovery at this point is nothing. Besides that, any chemical stockpiles found, would be USELESS to anyone. The chemicals don't have a shelf life. Period.

[Blue Wally]

19. Just a tip

"Any discovery at this point is nothing. Besides that, any chemical stockpiles found, would be USELESS to anyone. The chemicals don't have a shelf life. Period."

It depends on the chemical rounds. We are still destroying stuff we made in WWII and didn't use. If you come accross a WWI mustard shell while digging a garden in France, don't mess with it, it is probably leakking. It is still deadly. A lot of munitions get meaner with age.

[in_cog_ni_to]

31. According to Scott Ritter....

The liquid bulk Anthrax, even under ideal storage conditions, germinates in 3 years, becoming useless. The same goes for the Botulinum....totally useless.

From "War On Iraq" by Scott Ritter and our own William Rivers Pitt...

Contrary to popular mythology, there's absolutely no evidence Iraq worked on, Ebola, or any other horrific nightmare weapons the media likes to talk about today. As for VX nerve agent....even a minor deviation in the formula creates proteins that destroy the VX within months.

According to Ritter, there's no way Iraq had/has any chemical weapons. It just wasn't possible under the watchful eye of the U.S. After the inspectors left, we were watching that country like a hawk. We would have known about any factory, labs, ect... There just isn't anything there and if, by chance, they should find one or 2 weapons heads with VX, botulinum or anthrax in them....the chemicals are useless.

I don't recall him talking about mustard agents in the book. I'll take a look though. ;)

[Blue Wally]

33. The Greens were raising hell........

when the US Army tried to incinerate 50 year old chemical weapons at Rocky Mountain Arsenal, Colorado

[Brotherjohn]

17. Even if they found 3 nukes in Baghdad today, it would be very suspicious.

We now know they had NO infrastructure, NO aluminum tubes suitable for uranium enrichment, NO uranium (that wasn't under UN lock and key, and has all been accounted for), no centrifuges (save a few parts buried in a scientists back yard), no WMD programs whatsoever.

If they found 3 nukes in Iraq today, they would almost certainly be plants. Unless, that is, their "intent" to one day build them managed to make them materialize out of thin air.

[ThomWV]

21. Someone With An Account Go Post It With The Freepers

Let them have a feeding frenzy and then fall into dispair when it fails to prove out even to their low satandards

[AntiCoup2K4]

22. They know the story's bullshit now, but while they believed it....

...they were unbelievably hilarious in their commentaries like "BUSH LEGACY ENSURED" and other mindless crap

For a good laugh.... http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1175358/posts?q=1&&page=1

[realisticphish]

23. no

cause they'll insist that the de-bunking is the work of the liberal media, supressing the truth.. that the...uh...liberal media reported...



:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

^note, I'm not really an idiot, I was simply anticipating their arguments...

[sampsonblk]

26. Freep Thread - 519+ messages

They are foaming at the mouth, but seem to have figured out that this is stupid.

Side point: they have been saying for three years that the Dems are hoping for bad news. "Good news for America is bad news for Dems. Bad news for America is good news for Dems." Thank Rush Limpbrain for that bit of illogic.

Now comes this: The freepers are praying that Saddam had nukes, so Bush's legacy can be "ensured" and the GOP will win in the fall. This would seem to qualify is hoping for bad news for America. Will Limpbrain mention this? Hell no.

[durutti]

25. No they weren't.

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=551156

[90-percent]

32. theories

Wasnt there some news a few months ago that Iranians or some other country bordering Iraq spotted convoys of CIA trucks going into IRAQ to plant WMD's to be "discovered" later?

What ever happened to that story?

-85%

[durutti]

36. It was from Iran's state news agency.

Not terribly reliable.

[Aidoneus]

34. It was near Takrit, and no there weren't..

A false rumour, already proven false by even the crusader propagandists and collaborators that would most like it to be true.