Does anyone think that Ariel Sharon's Israel is participating in the

[Veggie Meathead]

torture of civilians at Abu Ghraib,Guantanamo or Bagram either directly or through "contractors" to help out his buddy George Bush?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

1. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

No

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[lottie244]

3. Karpinski said Israeli interrogators where at Abu Ghraib

She was roundly ignored and smeared for this allegation. She said she personally met an interrogator who id himself from Israel. They had a discussion about one of her visits to Israel.

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[TeacherCreature]

7. actually there is interest for Israel in having Iraqis tortured

If you believe that torture does any good in interogations (which the americans do, since they are doing it). Israel considered Iraq a threat and they would be very interested in getting information from people perceived as terrorists.

[Bombtrack]

9. and why would they not just get the information from the CIA and DID ?

They have no need to risk further inflaming Muslim anti-semitism by sneaking there own "torturers" inside a freaking prison.

[muriel_volestrangler]

11. because the USA does not have enough Arabic speakers

among their interrogators; this is well documented (eg http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/01/attack/main576029.shtml). The Israeli government does have plenty of Arabic speakers; that the USA's closest ally would help them out by sending experienced Arabic-speaking interrogators is no surprise at all.

[Bombtrack]

13. Interregator is not synonymous with torturer

Jesus Christ.

[muriel_volestrangler]

14. But until 1999 Israeli interrogation legally allowed

"moderate physical pressure". With the confirmed presence of Israeli interrogators in Iraqi prisons, the suspicion of their participation in the torture is valid.

[TeacherCreature]

16. in this case it may be

as we have seen on the news.

[SOS]

12. General Karpinski says yes, Sharon says no

As a "fringe fuck retard", it's hard to decide whom to believe.

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/446801.html

[lefty_mcduff]

8. Methinks thou dost protest too much.

And "Fringe Fucks" - who dat?

[CWebster]

5. Documented

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3863235.stm

[TeacherCreature]

6. I don't know about sharon....Israelis certainly are participating

Israeli body guards who are now working as private contractors, have entered Iraq and they are immune from prosecution under the laws of war.

[Veggie Meathead]

10. It would be even more offensive if these "contractors" from Israel

were involved in the sodomization of children in the presence of their parents.If that were confirmed, the wheels of history would have come full circle.

[JohnyCanuck]

15. Sharon did help provide some of the false intelligence

that Shrubya used to get support for his war from among the ranks of the freepers, the hopelessly naive and the bought and paid for media whores. I'd be surprised if he didn't expect to get something in return, and I'd find it very hard to belive that even if Israel claimed it didn't officially have any military or intelligence personnel in Iraq that the Mossad would let an opportunity like this go by without sending in some of their people among the "private contractors."

The OSP was an open and largely unfiltered conduit to the White House not only for the Iraqi opposition. It also forged close ties to a parallel, ad hoc intelligence operation inside Ariel Sharon's office in Israel specifically to bypass Mossad and provide the Bush administration with more alarmist reports on Saddam's Iraq than Mossad was prepared to authorise.

"None of the Israelis who came were cleared into the Pentagon through normal channels," said one source familiar with the visits. Instead, they were waved in on Mr Feith's authority without having to fill in the usual forms.

The exchange of information continued a long-standing relationship Mr Feith and other Washington neo-conservatives had with Israel's Likud party.

In 1996, he and Richard Perle - now an influential Pentagon figure - served as advisers to the then Likud leader, Binyamin Netanyahu. In a policy paper they wrote, entitled A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm, the two advisers said that Saddam would have to be destroyed, and Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and Iran would have to be overthrown or destabilised, for Israel to be truly safe.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,999737,00.html

(Edited to fix link)

From www.CounterPunch.org: An Abu Ghraib Photo We Didn't See on the Front Page of the NYTs

[Veggie Meathead]

17. It is very likely the United States relied on methods of

"interrogation" ( i.e. Torture) developed by the Israelis in their
treatment of Palestinians over the past forty odd years.Their understanding of the culture of Arabs is far superior to our own and many of the cultural taboos of the Arabs have been used against them in the "interrogations" at Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo and Bagram.My main concern is whether these tortures were also inflicted on children as Sy Hersh mentions in his New Yorker article.If Israel actively participated in the torture of children,we need to rethink our entire strategy in the Middle East.