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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 12:04 PM
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Do you ever wonder if the world is a darker place than you could imagine?
I was researching the Bohemian Club, the retreat for the rich and powerful that I just read about on another thread. Fascinating, it truly is some kind of secret club that seems to have some bizzare rituals.

Anyway I eventually found these allegations involving ritualistic sexual child abuse and government mind control allegations. Truly, bizzare and frightening stuff Normally I would shrug it off - but there seems to have been an actual court judgement giving one of the victims in 1999.

"Judge makes $1 million award in porn lawsuit A federal judge in Lincoln, Neb., has awarded $1 million to an Omaha man who claimed the former manager of a defunct Omaha credit union forced him into child pornography years ago. Senior U.S. District Judge Warren Urbom said the judgment for Paul Bonacci, 31, was a "fair amount" for mental and physical injuries
Bonacci attributed to Lawrence King.

Source: The Des Moines Register
Date: 02/24/1999"

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U.S. government mind control programs, like MK-Ultra and Monarch,
directed against helpless victims--human guinea pigs--have been
virtually ignored by the Big Media Cartel. On Feb. 27, 1999,
however, U.S. District Court Judge Warren Urbom found former
Franklin S&L manager Lawrence E. King guilty of numerous crimes
committed against mind control victim Paul A. Bonacci."

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"The complex case also involved high-level politicians, business
leaders, judges and police officials with connections to the drug
distribution/money laundering operations known as 'Iran'-Contra
which goes back to then Vice-President George Bush. DeCamp, a
former Nebraska State Senator, even wrote a groundbreaking book
about the sordid history of the case called The Franklin Cover-Up:
Child Abuse, Satanism and Murder in Nebraska."

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"The horrendous Monarch Project 'refers to young people in America
who were victims of mind control experiments run either by U.S.
government agencies such as the Central Intelligence Agency or
military intelligence agencies,' writes DeCamp. 'The story told by
Monarch victims--one of whom was Paul Bonacci--is that they were
tortured for the purpose of creating 'multiple personalities'
within them,' DeCamp continues from his book. 'These multiple
personalities could then be programmed--as spies, 'drug mules,'
prostitutes or assassins.'"

http://www.raven1.net/ra1.htm

You know you read something like this and there's a big part of you that just wants to discount it. But you also wonder: could it be true. Bonacci's lawyer actually wrote a book about this complicated scenario - and he's a former state legislator...

I don't know. I feel sick. Anyone who could show this is all just a big fuckin' hoax would have my eternal gratitude.
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 12:13 PM
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1. "Normal men do not know. . .
that everything is possible." -- David Rousset



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Syncronaut Seven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 12:16 PM
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2. No, I perceive the world to be an extremely dark place.
Bohemia grove is all about making sure that everyone "buys in" thru complicity in horrendious and perverse acts. Sort of a brotherhood where each has dirt on another.

It's about power and control, like a hazing or drunken frat party, all are bound by their dark knowledge.

It's why I dont trust Bonesmen, not a single one of them.
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gpandas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 12:19 PM
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3. quit wondering, am now certain. eom
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 12:25 PM
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4. the danger is in taking something that might have happened
on a small scale - and then blowing it up into something it isn't...

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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 12:49 PM
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5. more
there was a documentary that was set to be aired on The Discovery Channel in 1994 about this case...

it was pulled at the last minute

http://www.prisonplanet.com/141003conspiracyofsilence.html

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 12:50 PM
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6. Have you seen any of the threads on the Franklin Cover-Up?
Edited on Thu Jul-22-04 12:51 PM by redqueen
oops on edit... just clicked your link and saw that that's what it's about.

Good on ya for not turning away... it is by far easier to soothe yourself by pretending it just couldn't be true.
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 12:54 PM
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8. so it has been discussed on DU before?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 12:56 PM
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9. Oh yes
Oh yes.

Sad that it sinks, isn't it?

:(
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 01:12 PM
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14. I don't know what to think about it
I can understand why some people don't want to comment on a thread like this - I've probably ignored the Franklin cover up threads in the past myself...
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 12:53 PM
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7. more wierd shit - it made the front page of the Washington Times
and implicated the first Bush White House...

this page has actual pictures of the newspaper coverage:

http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_child_sex_coverup/franklin.htm
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 01:02 PM
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10. THis thread has lots of links and lots of information on the
Franklin Coverup. Including a copy of a front page newpaper story.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1839142
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 01:02 PM
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11. I found a link to some of the stuff that is in DeCamps book
Edited on Thu Jul-22-04 01:04 PM by rumguy
the most outlandish stuff - it just doesn't seem believable to me - it even identified the director of some snuff film as "Hunter Thompson" - it doens't say if it actually was the gonzo journalist but the fact that Thompson's name even shows up just sound crazy...

and the stuff described just sounds so outlandish that I have trouble believing it...

http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_child_sex_coverup/FranklinBookGrove.htm

Evidently some bad things did happen to Bonnacci, afterall he was given a million dollar judgment - but it's also possible that he made some things up - as a result of the emotional trauma he suffered...

But there was that documentary that was made by a very reputable team - and they supposedly followed every lead and documented carefully everything that went into it...

I have a feeling some of the more outlandish stuff didn't make it into the documentary.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 01:05 PM
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12. There is always the possibility
that the outlandish stuff is there specifically because it will help to discredit the whole story.

Not saying it is, but once you take the red pill, it's hard to discount any explanation for the myriad oddities and downright unbelievable information.
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 01:14 PM
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15. Well the crazy outlandish stuff is in Decamp's book
Decamp is Bonacci's lawyer and his book is the touchstone for all of this...

It should be noted that he is an ex-republican state senator and a decorated Vietnam war vet - in other words Decamp is not some fringy anti-establishment type...
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 01:11 PM
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13. "The universe is not only stranger than we imagine,
it is stranger than we can imagine."
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