Subject: My goodness we're a gutless bunch.

[donsu]

http://www.buzzflash.com/mailbag/04/07/mai04200.html

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Subject: My goodness we're a gutless bunch.

Gay groups, by request of the Kerry campaign and the DNC, cancel a performance by Margaret Cho during the Democratic National Convention citing "fear of a potential media firestorm" a la Whoopi Goldberg. Chalk up one for the Republicans.

Karen
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who were the cowards that stopped Cho? can anyone name some names?

http://margaretcho.com/unity.htm

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

1. There's "gutless" and then there's...

avoiding a problem because it's really not worth the headache when they can just as easily do something else instead. I think they call that "prudence". Seriously, I can think of worse things to happen than Margaret Cho getting canceled.

[donsu]

4. think again

stopping Cho was a very bad idea.

[truthspeaker]

9. Just calling it a "problem" is giving in to their BS

We do not have to jump every time the GOP-controlled media starts one of their attacks.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

10. Typically, I'd agree

But we also don't need to be playing into their hands either. If we're talking policy issues, absolutely NEVER back down. THAT I agree with. But we don't NEED Margaret Cho. She isn't going to advance policy. All she's going to do is make a few crude jokes. I'd rather see Kerry blasting Bush on the front page than see her making off-color jokes.

[truthspeaker]

11. This IS playing into their hands

And don't underestimate the power of crude jokes.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

17. I like your sig pic

[tom_paine]

14. But just the idea that we are capitulating is grotesque!

STILL falling for the Bushevik fantasy Bubble as if we've learned NOTHING!

STILL falling for the 400 Freepers with 20 e-mails each lie!

While I agree that we don't need Margaret Cho, per se, what matters is what it tells about the Party.

The Party is nowhere NEAR fit and strong enough to represent Free America against the Imperial Family, even in our hour of need they are clueless and they cower.

MAYBE it could be argued that some minor stiffening of backbone has been seen, but for anything big, it's business as usual.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

16. Normally I agree with you Tom

Wholeheartedly, in fact. You have to pick and choose your battles. Margaret Cho isn't a battle we want to be fighting right now.

[tom_paine]

19. I didn't say I wanted to fight it, just not capitulate

Let the Bushevik Party-Loyal Sub-Media howl...they are going to do it anyway even if they have to fabricate stuff.

Fuck 'em. They give NOT A SINGLE THOUGHT as to what would piss us off. They don't care.

In this regard we should emulate them. The Bushevik Totalitarian Sub-Media will do what they do (lie, shriek, intimidate, fabricate) NO MATTER WHAT!

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

21. As always, you have a good point

I guess part of me still wishes we could win without resorting to their pettiness, but you may well be right in that we have to.

[tom_paine]

31. It's NOT petty to stand up for yourself

The Democratic "account" is too far in arrears on this to back down from a SINGLE THING now.

[truthspeaker]

20. why not?

"Margaret Cho isn't a battle we want to be fighting right now."

Why not? I'm game for a fight.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

23. She's just not necessary

I'd rather save my battles for policy issues, or Bush's lies, not distractions.

[truthspeaker]

27. I think she's very necessary.

She tells the truth and does it in a funny way. She is articulate in defending gay rights. And she could bring in disillusioned people who might otherwise not vote.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

37. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

I think we can have much more tasteful people defending gay rights.

[donsu]

38. "Tasteful" ??? you saying Cho isn't tasteful?

you showed your hand

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

44. How so?

I've seen Margaret Cho on many occassions, and she's said plenty of things that might have me question what choice of words she might use in this situation.

[KurtNYC]

12. I agree

and dumping Berger was a mistake. Makes him and them look guilty.

[Thatguitarman]

42. New York City's got guts...

Hey Kurt, man.

This is That Guitar Man from Central Park

I've dedicated my career, muic and the rest of my year to removing Bush from the Whiote House.

Most of the email I get has been overwhelmingly supportive.

But, in some ways, I've been taking it on the chin. My latest album has songs on it called "Tired of Being Lied To" and "Where'dat Money Go" and "Where's the Voice"...

And, my new single is called, "Get Out Our House"

Well, the level of visciousness in some of the emails I've received has been unbelievable. But MOST of the messages, from now-former fans, say essentially the same thing.

"David, Shut up."

I won't.

I'm David Ippolito

(Go ahead - google it)

[porphyrian]

26. Nobody likes a prude. - n/t

[truthspeaker]

30. Actually far too many people do. Some even call it feminism.

[porphyrian]

36. Most feminists I know aren't prudes at all. - n/t

[redqueen]

2. That is just nuts

Is this true? I just can't believe it... esp. not after Cheney's comment, Riordan's comment, and Schwarzenegger's comment...

They're COMEDIANS, FCOL! Dennis Miller does similar schtick in his schlock for the GreedyOldParty!

:crazy:

[redqueen]

8. OK wait a minute

Was the request to stop the whole GLBT event, or just Cho's appearance?

Anyone got a link?

If it's the whole event, I kind of understand... they might have considered planning it for just AFTER the end of the convention, so that the news wouldn't be eaten up by Cho's funny jokes made during the GLBT event... that would be red meat for the corporate-media to throw to the bu$hgang for sure.

[elfwitch]

3. Repug open hunting season on non-white women...

Three ethnic women in two weeks: Whoopi (Black), Linda(Hispanic), Margaret(Asian). Are there any high profile Arabic women? That seems to be the only female ethnic group they haven't hit yet.

[madrchsod]

5. yes- there is a high profile

arab-muslim woman comedian..i think she is Norwegian. i heard her on bbc overnight she is a very funny lady

[SpaceCatMeetsMars]

7. There's the two Thomases - Helen and Marlo

We know the Republicans are afraid of both of them!

[pocket]

13. Linda is Hispanic?

I did not know that.

[elfwitch]

18. yeppers

Many years ago she did an album, "Canciones de Mi Padre" (songs of my father for the non-Spanishly inclined).

[Kali]

22. Canciones de Mi Padre

Her best album in my opinion, the only one I own.

[Kali]

24. Comes from a very old

Tucson Pioneer family. Lots of them still around. In politics too. Her brother is a local repuke - didn't even back her up, said the casino could do what it wanted - private bisiness. What a dick.

[calico1]

32. Linda is part Mexican I believe.

[maxanne]

6. once again

we dance to their tune. Until we rear up on our hind legs and stand up for who we are and what we believe in - we will continue to be marginalized, and the party assimilated.

[tom_paine]

15. Agreed. n/t

[trumad]

25. I'm pissed about this...

We shold be leaning toward the Dean side of the coin instead of away from it...

[tom_paine]

29. Exactly. But it's back to business as usual, if you've noticed

(with VERY few exceptions)

They bully, we quiver.

[candy331]

43. Tucking one's tail between one's legs too often will cause the

the tail to stay in a permanent fold even when it sorely needs to stretch out.... Tail tuckers always fold. LOL

[donco6]

28. I agree with that decision, frankly.

It would only serve to distract from Kerry's message, and feed ammo directly to the corporate media. We just don't need it.

[porphyrian]

35. What makes you think...

...Kerry's message is going to get out with or without Cho on stage? Want to bet some other story, like the "Free Speech Zone" outside, gets more airtime?

[donco6]

40. I can guarantee that Cho's story will get out before

ANY Kerry story.

[rbnyc]

33. Yep.

Even people who are offended would respect us more if we wouldn't back down. This is the kind of thing that loses elections.

[Morning Dew]

34. The '92 repuke convention

included controversial speakers like Patrick Buchanan and Pat Robertson - it succeeded in driving away "moderate" Republicans and swing voters.

We don't need that... IMO, the more the convention plays to the middle, the better.

[YIMA]

39. It's time to stand up and be heard.

I'm tired of being run over by the corporate media and their shills. Sometimes I wonder whither our own leadership knows we're even out here. We here at DU represent the future of America and democracy. Time to demand out voices be heard.

[Thatguitarman]

41. Not all of us...

I've been taking it on the chin. My latest album has songs on it called "Tired of Being Lied To" and "Where'dat Money Go" and "Where's the Voice"...

And, my new sngle is called, "Get Out Our House"

Well, the level of visciousness in some of the emails I've received has been unbelievable. But MOST of the messages, from now-former fans, say essentially the same thing.

"David, Shut up."

I won't.

I'm David Ippolito

(Go ahead - google it)

I'm That Guitar Man from Central Park.