Major Paranoia... is BushCo TRYING to lose/throw the election???

[Rosco T.]

Now hold on a minute.. let me explain myself..

EVERYTHING that Shrubya is trying to do is backfiring... can one campaign/junta that, up till the past coupla of months, has been that sneaky and coniving suddenly become THAT STUPID?

Desperation is one thing.. but this is becoming Suicidal...

So... what if... that's the plan??

We know Shrub is not the power.. it's the PNAC.

Suppose.. just SUPPOSE that the PNAC has decided that Shrub in his stupidity has mucked it up FOR NOW. Too stupid to take direction so to speak.. and the only way they can see now to meet their goals is to CUT THEIR LOSSES and REGROUP.

Notice how many people of this adminstration have stepped OUT of the spotlight in the past few weeks... Powell, Rice, Rumsfart, Ashcroft.

Who's left... Shrub and CrashCart.

How's CrashCart behaving? other than the F-U, he's being pretty low profile also, not much more than "I'm not leaving the ticket..."

leaving Shrub in the spotlight... to twist in the wind.

So, they let him hang... maybe even Cheney WILL bail.. but Shrub dosen't get a Guillani or a McCain to replace him.. how about... how about.... ZEL MILLER! "Ah I have made a truly unified ticket with mah Dem'cratic friend Zel...."

You would have a crater several hundred feet wide where Shurb's chances once stood.

So Shrub goes down in flames...

the PNAC quietly rebuilds... they realize they have to take another approach.. the slash'n'burn Shrub approach is dead.. and they take advantage of it... in 4 years, 8 years.. they have rebuilt and try again...

ok.. severe paranoia.. but how else can you explain the stupidity of the last 6 weeks where every time Shrub tries something it blows up in his face....

I know a fall-guy when I see one....

[ender]

1. no, its a bonesman plot!

they're trying to trick us into voting for kerry!, along with the masons - and the illuminati, helping the bilderbergers and the zionists, with the queers, and their going to hand us over to aliens as sex slaves.

its true, i read it on teh interweb.

[7th_Sephiroth]

2. PNAC is not the proper term

the proper term is the RNC PNAC means Protecting the Not Aware Chimp

[ewagner]

3. I think there's another possibility:

Look who is running Duya and his campaign. Look at who controls the Republican Party mechanism.

Rove and Karen Hughes are the primary political advisors and they have created their own alternative reality of the way Americans think and react. They are completely out of touch and falling prey to "group-think" in a big, big way. They listen only to those who agree with them and they isolate themselves from any person or group who disagree.

The same goes for the internal leadership of the Republican Party. They are lock step and politically tone deaf to dissenting opinions.

The errors being made now are because they are living in an alternative universe.

[Rosco T.]

4. I can see that...

but dear GHOD.. how far OUT of reality can you get? And I would think that the 'power' would have stepped in by not to grab them by the scruff of the neck and say ENOUGH!

[calico1]

11. But its totally possible.

All the rhetoric is designed to appeal only to the "base" which is the right wing "Christian" nuts and the rich. They don't care about anyone else and make hardly any effort to hide the fact. They really think that they are the majority. That's why they say Kerry is "out of the mainstream." Because "mainstream" for them is the alternate universe neocon world they live in. And frankly, I think that the handful of Moderate Republicans left in Congress would be only too happy to see this Administration go though of course none will admit it. They want to save their party and this Administration is destroying it. They know that. Alternate universe is exactly right. Or twilght zone.

[Beetwasher]

7. Yup, I Agree

In reality, they are incompetent. They hire pollsters that tell them what they want to hear, not what they need to hear. They live in a bubble of their own creation, surrounded by pathetic yes-men.

Remember, real geniuses like Rove and Hughes are SUPPOSED to be, would have actually WON the 2,000 election instead of having to resort to thuggery to steal it. They were never the invincible geniuses they would have everyone believe.

[AntiCoup2K4]

5. PNAC no longer needs Junior

They have branched out into PPI, led by PNAC traitorous shitbag Will Marshall, who is writing Kerry's foreign policy. Either way is a win-win for them. And Skull & Bones, for that matter.

[CaTeacher]

6. it's not too far fetched for me!

[cthrumatrix]

21. shrub has zero credibility....enter Kerry...sad but true

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

8. No they're not trying to lose. Their tactics of negative ads, push

polling, fear mongering and gay/race baiting work, but only under certain circumstances. These circumstances include relative prosperity.

When your President is essentially (and correctly) viewed as being responsible for starting an unprovoked war, ruinous to thousands of lives as well as the treasury, those circumstances no longer apply. People see the deaths and the torture, and despite being unable to articulate the reasoning in many instances, they know, in their gut, how wrong it all is.

But the Roveco machine (descendant of the late Lee Atwater machine) has only one toolbox, one bag of tricks to apply to all situations. So they can do nothing else but what they've already been doing. Raise more millions at fat cat fundraisers. Bash Kerry. Spin up the RW media machine.

[Terran]

9. Well, yes.

PNAC is the long-term plan, so of course it's possible, and I think likely, that they will be around pushing their agenda in secret for years to come even if Dems take back both the presidency and Congress. These people are mentally ill, and they're insanely determined to do what they want to do. They're not very smart, but they do have patience.

[Cocoa]

10. only one way to thwart him/them

we MUST vote for Bush! :eyes:

[mopaul]

12. a valid scenario

it could work. they never stop being assholes, or trying to conquer and burn everything in their sight. they can be very nasty and effective even when they are not in power.

just because bush may lose, doesn't mean the fuckheads aren't still there screwing everything all up.

[AP]

13. I've considered this too. If they've left an economic timebomb for

Kerry, they will be able to portray him as the Hoover of the 21st century and the'll bring in some Republicand anti-FDR who will claim that privatization of everything saved the nation.

This administration really does seem very "smash-and-grab" and I wouldn't be surprised if they have an exit plan which allows them to continue to benefit from the mess they intentionally and knowingly created.

[ewagner]

14. That's a very real concern

I think the economic ticking timebomb is very real. Kerry and Edwards have to be very, very smart about this. They have to do something that shows results quickly (and relatively painlessly) to keep the American public on their side.

Having said that, however, I'll be damned if I know what they can do.

edited for too many thoughts in one sentence.

[AP]

20. Theoretically, solution is simple. Politically, it's next to impossible...

...so long as there are Republicans in Washington and so long as we don't have real campaign finance reform.

The solutioin is to let the engine of economic growth -- the middle class -- do it's job without putting a ton of strain on it.

Do that by changing the tax code (shifiting tax burden off of wealth from work and on to wealth created by wealth just a little bit), and by making sure that the value of labor is as high as possible through good public education, and by not having to compete with overseas labor in countries where they drive down the value of labor too.

The solutions are pretty simple. The problem is whether there's political will to stand up to big big business and implement the solutions.

[leanings]

15. The Freemasons are poisoning the wells!!!

Nah, I guess this isn't any further out than a lot of the stuff that's considered possible on this board. Interesting, anyway. Maybe you could be the architect of a brand new conspiracy theory!

[sangh0]

16. Cheney isn't being low-profile

If anything, his profile has been raised in the last few weeks. He's been out pushing the idea that there really is a Saddam-9/11 link, and he's even been out on the campaign trail.

[Zorra]

17. I don't believe that the PNAC will accept any setbacks now.

They are already poised to take complete control after the November election. Bu$h, in line with PNAC policies, continues to make obvious terrible decisions that are destroying our country, and the media fully supports him.

They will use every corrupt method imaginable to campaign with, and every form of fraud to steal the November election. If it still looks like Bu$h will lose the election when it gets down to the wire, I bet they have an alternative plan for retaining power.

[LizW]

18. They're not trying to lose

Just wait. It's going to get really, really ugly.

Kerry is assembling legal teams of thousands of lawyers to be prepared to fight five statewide recount battles simultaneously. He wouldn't be doing that if he and his campaign didn't know what is coming.

Bush is the guy from college who's out drinking the night before the test because he and his frat buddies stole a copy from the professor's office. He's so lazy and arrogant that he won't even make the effort it takes to give the appearance of trying to win.

[bobbieinok]

19. in 92, I worried abt voting for Clinton cause I thot the country

was in a no win situation and if democrats were in they would get the blame


but no way was I voting republican.....same resolve 2004