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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 02:00 PM
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Good article with substantive comparisons of Bush-Hitler
http://www.altpr.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=226&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0 NEWS YOU WON'T FIND ON CNN

Bush-Hitler: Hypnotizing The Masses

By Russell M. Drake

07/21/04 -- Said by some to be more dangerous than Osama bin-Laden, he has been condemned as a "war maniac," called a "moron" by the Canadian prime minister’s chief spokeswoman, ridiculed as "The English Patient" for his struggles with language,and likened to Adolf Hitler. Of all the labels hung on George W. Bush, the hardest to shake may be the comparison with Hitler.

Perhaps the clearest likeness between the two men lies in their use of emotionally induced hypnosis to plant in the mass consciousness an image of themselves as protectors of their subjects from threats to national survival both inside and outside the fatherland.

In a June, 2003 article written for The Nation about Bush’s "mastery of emotional language, especially negatively charged emotional language," clinical psychologist Reanna Brooks observed that "Bush creates and maintains negative frameworks in his listeners’ minds with a number of linguistic techniques borrowed from hypnosis and advertising to instill the image of a dark and evil world around us."

His subliminal messages to justify religious war against "evildoers" are right out of Madison Avenue. Writing in The New Yorker of July 12 & 19, David Greenberg tells how Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson, "himself an evangelical, laces the President’s addresses with seemingly innocuous terms that the devout recognize as laden with meaning: ‘whirlwind,’ ‘work of mercy,’ ‘safely home,’ ‘wonderworking power.’"

(massive snippage)

Worth reading, and passing along, the rest......
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mississippi Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 02:05 PM
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1. I think that's going a bit too far.
Article sounds a little wacko to me.

that "Bush creates and maintains negative frameworks in his listeners’ minds with a number of linguistic techniques borrowed from hypnosis and advertising to instill the image of a dark and evil world around us."

Was 9/11 not a dark and evil deed?
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Langis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 02:08 PM
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2. Bush let 9/11 happen
That isn't evil enough for you?
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mississippi Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 02:15 PM
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4. Actually,
Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr., and every President since our involvemnet in the Middle East began let it happen.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 02:28 PM
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mississippi Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 02:36 PM
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14. Yes, ignorance is not pretty.
Especially when one cannot distinguish opinion from fact.
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 02:38 PM
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16. Please Enlighten us with your facts
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mississippi Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 03:06 PM
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28. here something from an actual source of journalism.
No one in Washington seriously contends that the President or any of his senior advisers had any reason to suspect that terrorists were about to fly hijacked airplanes into buildings.


http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?020603fa_FACT

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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 03:28 PM
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34. Yea, right
we can not seriously expect that the President, whose job it is to protect the U.S. did not "have an inkling" that his August 6th briefing entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Attack" could possibly read through the lines.

We are to believe that after warnings from 17 different countries telling him an attack was imminent, that he couldn't have an "inkling" to read between the lines. We are to believe that he was paying attention to the country when he proceeded to go on vacation for a month immediately thereafter.

We are to believe that Condi Rice stating "no one could have imagined planes flying into buildings " when there were numerous reports stating such a scenario and that "they" did not have an "inkling" even though there were actual drills being conducted that day of exactly that - planes flying into buildings.

We are to believe that an FBI agent living with 2 of the hijackers "had no idea" anything was amiss.

We are to believe that a guy in a cave thousands of miles away could shut down our entire airforce response system.

We are to believe that the Pentagon was able to even be attacked with surface to air missles.

We are to beleive that no black boxes were recovered after the plane crashes, yet a lone passport survives.

We are to believe the government wasn't involved in the Florida flight training schools when Jeb Bush flew there immediately to get the paperwork.

We are to believe that Bush* really wanted the truth when he refused the to set up a commission for a year, then picked Henry Kissinger to head it, and hand-picked each commissioner that we would really get the truth?

I could go on and on, but frankly, its all Absolutely unbelievable. All of it.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 02:22 PM
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11. Not at all too far, right on
9-11 was a dark and evil deed. But who's? The simple truth is that we were NEVER shown ANY evidence that it was Bin Laden who did it.

Nothing. Not one scrap.

Remeber, or have you been hypnotized to the point where 2001 is as distant as 1001, and your perceptions of yesteryear are whatever the TV tells you that morning, like Orwell's "1984"?

Why didn't the planes csramble for more than an hour. Why did the TAC Wing at Andrews (which I KNOW exist from my time in the USAF), a short 10 mi from DC, remain on the ground throughout the day.

And on and on and on...

Disregarding the legitimate questions of Bush Complicity (did not PNAC specify in their 1998 brief that we needed a "New Pearl harbor" to bring their dream of Amerikan Empire iinto reality.

Is it just a coincidence that, a mere 8 months after this Revolutionary Cabal opf Imperials seized power in a Bllodless Coup in 2000 that we GOT our "New Pearl harbor" that coincidentally the men who stole oiur nation had been hoping and praying for?

We'll never know. Now that Amerika has gone Totalitarian, we have as much chance of getting a whiff of the truth as a Soviet Citizen had of getting the REAL 1978 Toilte Paper Preoduction figures.

This article is right on.

Your bringing up of 9-11 is the ultimate red herring and distraction.

You should probably read Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.
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mississippi Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 02:46 PM
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20. Well,
Tom Paine,if you can assume that I've been hypnotized then I'd like to reccomend professional help to you if you honestly see a real comparison between our country club, playboy President and Adolf Hitler. I believe that there are truely evil people out there and believed it way before Bush was elected. How is bringing up 9/11 "the ultimate red herring and distraction"? Well, I'm sorry to "distract" anyone, but the shit really did happen and we do live in a different, dangerous world now.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 02:56 PM
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27. Really? The world wasn't dangerous before?
I had NO IDEA of all the safety I enjoyed.

In fact, what's pretty funny is that whole "we do live in a different, dangerous world now" smacks of the hypnosis and Control Through Fear that the article discusses.

So, go back to your New, Scary World of Duct Tape, Orange Alerts, Vague Terrorist Threats (oddly timed to push negative stories about the Emperor off the news cycle, though I am sure it is just a coinkydink), and Turn In Your Neighbor Sovietism.

9/11 is a Red Herring because it's the all purpose answer used by Busheviks to silnece dissent and encourage trust in our Glorious and Fearless Leader.

The BIG global change wasn't on 9-11, it was on 12-12-2000 when the Old American Republic fell (though the meaty thud of finality has not yet been heard and I continue to hold hope).

I DO agree that, once it was demonstrated that Americans had no stomach to defend Liberty for ourselves, once it was shown that our Liberty and all those things our ancestors fought for for 225 years, were ripe for the taling by the first Dictator with the balls to reach out, grabv it, and shamelessly lie to the cameras about it, THEN the world became a more dangerous place.

12-12-2000, NOT 9-11-2001.

I honestly believe that, for a NUMBER of REASONS, without 12-12, there wouldn't have been a 9-11.

Now go and duct tape your windows. It's SCAAAAARRRRIIIIEEEEEE out there.
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mississippi Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 03:12 PM
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29. Not a bushevik
Just facing up to the reality of things. See ya'll tommorow.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 03:19 PM
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32. And I maintain the reality is the change took place on 12-12 NOT 9-11
Bye. :hi:
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 02:12 PM
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3. religious war against "evildoers" are right out of Madison Avenue
No suprise, Fascism is more corectly called Corporatism in todays world (IMHO)


http://www.deceptiondollar.com/7/DD7.htm
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Zipperhead Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 02:16 PM
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6. This does sound a little over the top.
This sort of trash is going to give our party a bad name. We need to stick with facts rather than Yellow Journalism if we intend to win. Resorting to their level makes us as piss poor as they are.
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 02:40 PM
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17. Gawddess, I HOPE so.....
looking forward to being that piss poor........

ROTFLOLASTC!
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Zipperhead Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 02:43 PM
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18. I am not sure what "ROTFLOLASTC! " means but
I think my 10 year old daughter uses it in the kiddie chatrooms.
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 02:50 PM
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23. then ask her
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Zipperhead Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 03:15 PM
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30. Why? If you are on her level please tell me. Thanks
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Imperialism Inc. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 04:36 PM
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42. It means:
rolling on the floor, laughing out loud and scaring the cat.
Knowing internet acronyms does not mean someone is on the level of a 10 year old as you suggested.

And , by the way, butt is spelled with 2 t's not 1.

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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 02:50 PM
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24. I have no problem with using the facts
The reason that sensationalism takes hold is because of this is how propaganda works. You have to get people excited to keep them distracted, watching in a different direction, while the other hand gets in their pocket or worse. The real questions never get asked because nobody in our goverment thinks it's their job to answer them.

Maybe somebody should ask who works for who?
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 02:15 PM
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5. Will print out for later read
I have no doubts they are equal.
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 02:19 PM
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7. Thanks, TNOE...... hope you will post your take on what you read
I'd like to hear some real thoughts about the content.

Seems I'm once again the messenger here.....

:eyes:

I mean, it's not like I'm proclaiming this at the local bushwa campaign office..... ~~chortle~~

:hi:

Kanary
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 02:22 PM
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10. Looks like your thread
attracted some clueless freeps (or brownshirts as it were). :hi:

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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 02:38 PM
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15. Yeah, I *thought* I was hearing marching tunes........
~~gigglesnort~~

Aw, well, the kiddies look good in brown......

:hi: backatcha.....
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gatlingforme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 02:20 PM
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8. Prescott Bush was a NAZI lover. He had his companies shut
Edited on Thu Jul-22-04 02:21 PM by gatlingforme
down b/c he was doing business with the nazis.
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Zipperhead Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 02:22 PM
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9. I heard the CIA was
Building huge ovens and showers. I heard it on FOX.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 02:23 PM
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gatlingforme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 02:50 PM
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22. ignorance is bliss too. see article below
Edited on Thu Jul-22-04 02:52 PM by gatlingforme
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gatlingforme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 02:52 PM
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25. posted twice sorry
Edited on Thu Jul-22-04 02:53 PM by gatlingforme
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gatlingforme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 02:45 PM
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19. Here it is and many other places
Standing on the Dead
By Marc Ash
t r u t h o u t | Essay

Wednesday 22 January 2003

"What luck for the rulers that men do not think."
--Adolf Hitler

In October of 1942, under the Trading With the Enemy Act, the U.S. government halted operations at New York's Union Banking Corporation. A bank official was charged with "Running Nazi front groups in the United States."

His name: Prescott Bush.

Prescott Bush, father of future U.S President George Herbert Walker Bush and grandfather of George W. Bush, had been hard at work on behalf of his Nazi partners. In flagrant violation of U.S. law, Prescott Bush had worked tirelessly to launder money, procure raw materials, arrange transportation and provide guidance for the Nazi war effort and the German army he had helped to build.

In April of 2002, George W. Bush -- standing literally on the bones of the men who fell at Normandy beachhead in mortal combat with that very same Nazi army -- delivered his Memorial Day address. He said, in part, "This is a day our country has set apart to remember what was gained in our wars, and all that was lost."

Let us remember.

As the German army came crashing into Poland, spreading death and destruction in its path, Prescott Bush continued aiding the Nazis.

As German tanks rolled through the Ardennes Forest and into Paris, Prescott Bush continued aiding the Nazis.

As Allied forces fighting to defend France were forced literally into the sea at Dunkirk by the German Army, Prescott Bush continued aiding the Nazis.

As German war planes rained bombs down on London, killing 50 thousand English men, women and children, Prescott Bush continued aiding the Nazis.

As millions died at the hands of the most ruthless and violent organization the world has ever known, Prescott Bush continued aiding them.

And of course, as Hitler and the Nazis planned and carried out the extermination of Europe's Jews, Prescott Bush was an eager and active partner.

When did Bush stop? When we made him stop.

In this case, George W. Bush won't have to worry about the US Government shutting him down. That's been taken care of -- he is the US Government.

snip

more;http://www.truthout.com/docs_02/012303A.ma.dead.htm
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 02:49 PM
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21. Thanks for posting that!
Isn't it interesting (and horrible for our nation), that our media will stop at nothing to "research" sexual histories, but something of this magnitude simple doesn't qualify for ink?

I think I see copies of this being left all over town........

:hi:

Kanary
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gatlingforme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 02:55 PM
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26. Your Welcome. there are many articles on Prescott. This is one
of many many.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 03:16 PM
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gatlingforme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 03:27 PM
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33. I agree with that. but Bush can be compared to anybody because
he's such a loser. Sometimes I compare Bush to BOZO, Bush makes me laugh like BOZO did when I was a kid. Or I can compare him to Stalin as well. He has used our troops for his and his friends personal gain.IMO It's people's opinions.
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Zipperhead Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 03:32 PM
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35. I heard from CNN that Bush
masterminded 911 so he could get oil.
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 03:35 PM
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37. Well let's see
Edited on Thu Jul-22-04 03:46 PM by TNOE
Hitler had his "Reichtag" fire which he blamed on an innocent.

Bush had his "9/11" which he blamed on muslims.

Hitler immediately went to his "congress" and demanded that is "Enabling Powers" be implemented. When the group digressed, his party of Nazi thugs drowned them out with patriotism (singing the german song, waving their flag).

Bush immediately went to Congress with his "Patriot Act" - when some Democrats protested, they received antrax in the mail. Patriot Act I gets passed and no one is allowed to say anything bad against the Emperor.

Hitler got his war on with the jews, Bush got his war on with the muslims.

Hitler got the Nazi's to hate, persecute and genocide the Jews.
Bush got his party to hate, persecute and genocide the Muslims.

Bush lowered the discourse into a hate fest against the Democrats.
Bush owns the media.

Bush comes from a long line of Nazi supporters. Bush family made its money from this, weapons, drugs and other crimes.

Operation Paperclip brought the worst of the Nazi's into the CIA.

Cheney said "watch what you say" - and the media fell in line.

The only real difference is Hitler was a good and passionate speaker, Bush doesn't have that talent or the smarts Hitler had.

It's the same playbook.


Edit: REading material:
http://www.kmf.org/williams/bushbook/bushb.html#Table

http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/11/1546689.php
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1400672

http://www.davidicke.com/icke/index1c.html

http://www.davidicke.com/icke/index1c.html


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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 03:52 PM
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 04:24 PM
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40. Kicking, cuz I can't wait to see if the buttons and marching shoes
are issued.

:evilgrin:

Kanary
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 04:26 PM
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41. freepers made me duplicate it......
Edited on Thu Jul-22-04 04:37 PM by Kanary

:evilgrin:


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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 03:33 PM
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36. Good find and thanks for posting.
The comparisons are very close to what my mind has been ruminating over.
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 03:39 PM
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38. Glad you like it......
Y'know, I'd like to be posting something *good* for a change.

..........sigh....

But, we do need to have all the info we can get at our disposal.

I dunno, I'm just sad about it all......

If you find or think of more comparisons, please list 'em.....

Kanary
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 04:40 PM
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43. I grew up with the words "NEVER AGAIN."
Now I watch the land of my birth from the land in which the horror occurred and scream to the rooftops, HOLY FUCKING SHIT, IT'S HAPPENING AGAIN RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY EYES!!!

Hey, do you hear that rattle?

Yeah, so what?

Remember all those videos we saw about rattlesnakes? Shit, do you hear that? It's the same sound! Look! THERE IT IS 6" from your ankle!!!

OH RELAX. This snake is GREEN! The ones we saw on the video were BROWN!

THEY were in the desert. Remember what we learned about animals and camoflauge in grade school? We're in the JUNGLE! OF COURSE it's GREEN!

Oh stop! You're making us look like sissies. It's just a harmless snake. You scared of little snakes?

It has a triangular head, it's rattling and you need to get out of its striking distance RIGHT NOW!

Why are you being so hysterical? It CAN'T be a rattler cause it's GREEN! OUCH! HELP! I CAN'T MOVE...



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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 04:47 PM
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44. Would be surprised if Hitlers bloodline runs right through George Bush!
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 07:45 PM
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45. this is a new take on things for me
Thanks for a great link. This really explains something for me, as I thought I was just suffering from outrage fatigue:

"The verbal confusion technique, which is quite difficult to administer, involves an approximation of double-talk in which instructions of a somewhat contradictory kind are given in rapid succession making it impossible for the attentive subject either to quite comprehend or quite acquiesce to any of them. Finally, he simply gives up all attempts and more or less collapses into a hypnotic state."

I also heard McDermott of Washington (he's a shrink) talking about this administration's crazy-making... the contradictions... how you wake up feeling like you've gone down the rabbit hole...


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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 08:16 PM
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46. Anyone who don't see the likeness is under the spell!
Edited on Thu Jul-22-04 08:18 PM by Hubert Flottz
Hitler's "World Order" is the same thing as Poppy Bush and the Neocon's "New World Order"! Most of the same wealthy families around the world, who made Hitler's "World Order" or "Thousand Year Reich" possible in Germany in the 1930s and 40s, are funding the "New World Order" and Herr Bush today!

You can run and you can bury your head, but the facts are the facts! All you need to do is study what happened in early Nazi Germany(1925 to 1939)and study what has been happening here in the US since 12/12/2000, to see the truth!

Give Bush a lock on unchecked power in November and you'll see these neocons make Hitler's crimes look like child's play!
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 09:39 PM
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47. From Hitler to Bush
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6481.htm

"The editor of La República del Uruguay replies to the US ambassador, Martin Silverstein, ( Uruguay ) who had complained about the comparisons the newspaper had drawn between Hitler and Bush."

"by Dr. Federico Fasano Mertens"

"March 30th, 2003 "La República del Uruguay" A few days ago I received a letter from Martin Silverstein, the US ambassador to Uruguay, accusing La República, a publication which I am honoured to edit, of "totally lacking any sense of journalistic integrity" by comparing George Bush, the president of his country, to Adolf Hitler, the chancellor of the Third Reich."

>snip

"A Nazi great-grandfather, a Nazi grandfather, a father who wasn't able to be a Nazi because Hitler had already killed himself in the ruins of the Chancellery gardens, though he benefited from the ill-gotten gains of his ancestors.

But let us not condemn our homo demens for his evil genes.

Let us judge him only by his works. And let's compare. Just compare."

>>>>>

Mr. Mertens goes on to nail it down in terms of a Bush/Hitler comparison.

I'm sick of hearing that we shouldn't compare Bush to Hitler. If the shoe fits.....



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