What is happening to America?

[Brian_Expat]

Are things really melting down this fast?

Is America really going insane?

Are people really convinced that "the economy is getting better" despite the continued decline in jobs and incomes?

Am I really seeing Democrats talk about "pragmatically" supporting other Democrats who have voted to undermine the constitutional system of government to gain political points, and blast critics as "unrealistic"?

Is America really accelerating its decline, or am I just trapped in a four-year-nightmare?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. We are waking up from the nightmare

but there are still many many deluded people here who think that trivial things matter more than the constitution.

[tom_paine]

2. America is inthe grip of the New Totalitarianism called

"Managed Democracy", though it look sand feels much like a Georeg Orwell novel.

Bush and Soulmate Putin are using almost identical playbooks to subjugate their people (or re-subjugate, in the case of Comrade Putin).

Of course, the Imperial Media in Amerika are not permitted to make this obvious and demonstarble connection, so you have to read the quite ironicaslly humorous condemnation of Comrade Putin for doing essentially the same as is being done to us.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=%22Managed+Democracy%22+Putin

Poor Russians. because their institutions of freedom were so young and weak, they are ALREADY well past Imperial Amerika on the slide to Orwellian Tyranny.

We here in the Empire are at least grateful that the Busheviks have been slowed down by the ancient and previosuly strong Checks and Balances which delay them from their Final Solution (whatever that turns out to be) and give us a few more years to be semi-free, at least.

[Doctor_J]

3. we'll know alot more on Nov 3

if we are consigned to 4 more years of neocon Constitutional amendments, court appointees, and foreign, economic and environmental policies, we might not recover.

If, OTOH, we elect a Dem president and Senate, the recovery should be pretty fast,

[guajira]

4. Exactly what I Thought would happen if B* got in office!

I suspected he would get us into war and ruin our country if he got into the WH. Why?? Because the BFEE had a lot of enemies in the ME who would become the enemies of all Americans if B* became pResident!

Unfortunately I was right!

[classof56]

5. Yeah, you're right, it's pretty bad lately.

Many of us are in counseling to deal with things. Many are fighting hard to make changes. Far too many seem content to let Bushco forge ahead with their agenda of evil. Nightmarish scenario, that's for sure.

So how are things in England? My ancestors came from there. Just curious...

Bush Must Go!!

[Brian_Expat]

7. England's not much better

Backsliding into totalitarianism itself, just in different ways.

[tom_paine]

13. Not good. Not good at all.

care to elaborate? I have been putting Britain in with the remaining, shrinking Free World in my mind.

Is that a mistake?

[psychopomp]

29. UK's Orwellianism

Cameras are everywhere. The UK has more state-run surveillance cameras than any other place in the world. They are far ahead in biometrics, as well.

Just off the top of my head.

[TA]

6. Bush says the economy is better so it must be true. - NOT

If the economy has improved as much as George the mouthpiece Bush says why is the Dow Jones Average lower than when he took over our country. There are a lot of smart people in this country. I think they might be smart but I do know they are gullible and lazy. Takes about 30 seconds via goggle to check.

Jan. 2001 = 10600
Today = 10050

[izzie]

8. Maybe it is just me but I hate t o hear someone say this-------

Bush knows what he is doing just let him do his job. My God I live to see some one fight the so called rulers all the time. They all forget they work for us not us for them.First of all we should cut their pay and slap them all down a peg or two. Will we lose this country as we know it? We just may.About half the people do not even care enough to vote. Two party control should also be pushed out so other people can run.

[CanonRay]

21. You're Kidding, Right?

You really didn't say Bush knows what he's doing, did you? I have never seen a President who had less of an idea of what he's doing. Or at least I hope so. If he really DOES know what's he doing, we're really in trouble.

[DjTj]

26. Don't misunderestimate him..

...or we'll really be in trouble for another four years.

Welcome to DU ! :hi:

[Media_Lies_Daily]

9. Responses....

Are things really melting down this fast? Yes.

Is America really going insane? Some parts, yes.

Are people really convinced that "the economy is getting better" despite the continued decline in jobs and incomes? No...you'd have to be an absolute moron to believe that tripe.

Am I really seeing Democrats talk about "pragmatically" supporting other Democrats who have voted to undermine the constitutional system of government to gain political points, and blast critics as "unrealistic"? Are you referring to anyone specifically, or are you trying to impress us with your well-phrased question?

Is America really accelerating its decline, or am I just trapped in a four-year-nightmare? The decline started almost ten years ago when the GOP gained control of both houses of Congress and then tried to topple Clinton by any means possible. They already had control of the Judiciary and the Pentagon.

[Brian_Expat]

10. I'm referring. . .

Am I really seeing Democrats talk about "pragmatically" supporting other Democrats who have voted to undermine the constitutional system of government to gain political points, and blast critics as "unrealistic"? Are you referring to anyone specifically, or are you trying to impress us with your well-phrased question?

I'm referring to people on this forum who see no problem in supporting a Democrat who voted for the Marriage Protection Act, which though homophobic (bad enough) also completely undermines the separation of powers between the judiciary and legislature by attempting to declare laws off-limit from judicial review so they cannot be subject to the Constitution.

That's scary shit as a precedent. It makes the PATRIOT Act look like a minor by-law in comparison.

[theoceansnerves]

14. i can't believe what's going on in that other thread

really. it's astounding.

[bushwakker]

11. One last chance to turn it around

If AWOL takes the oath in January '05 - head for the exits.

[guajira]

12. My passport is up to date

and Mexico is close by. I have been to Puerto Vallerta, but prefer the Yucatan!!

In fact someone at my local Democrats meeting last week said she also wants to go to Mexico if B* steals the election again, and that we should form a colony there. Sounds like it actually could be fun!

[tom_paine]

15. Would it be terribly sexist of me to say that Hispanic women are very

beautiful, generally speaking?

:loveya:

[guajira]

16. Spanish men are sexy too!!! n/t

[indigobusiness]

19. Not, at all.

Costa Rica is a vantage point to observe all the variations at their best.

Pura Vida.

[bluedog]

17. what has happened?

To my estimation.......the media and right-wing talking heads have given bush a pass on all and everything he has done in the past 31/2 years.....
When numbers as in unemployment economy.nobody questions these facts....yet later a small retract is written and its NOT aired for all to hear.its in very fine print.
With Clinton the media was in the attack mode..as they were with the Gore campaign and now the Kerry run........
Its really hard to fight this kind of constant downgrading of our party.
If they find nothing or a little tad of anything item to make the Democratic Party bad...they air it.expand it..and run it 24/7.........
The republican party has clearly taken over the media..in print.radio and television....
The Republican Congress has destroyed this country and if we don't win that back..we might as well say Good-Bye to the United States as we once knew......
Bush and his Henchmen are turning our country onto the road to a dictatorship!

[bushwakker]

18. I know this is a tired lament

but it really is all about the media in my opinion. The GOP has such a stranglehold that Dems must overcome incredible odds to win. I have friends who've come up to me to ask about "this Clinton guy who stuffed papers in his socks" who are not even aware of the plame investigation and that AWOL hired an attorney and was questioned on this matter for more than an hour. How can you compete with that type of media dominance? A Democrat who did the exact same things that AWOL did would be under seige and at about 35% in the polls.

[CanonRay]

24. If Bush Wins...

Remember you heard this here first. Shortly after the election, the Iraqi government will go to war with Iran on the pretext of Iranian interference in Iraqi internal affairs. Lacking an Army, the Iraqi's will naturally call on their primary ally, US. Using this pretext, Bush will get to invade the second of the Axis of Evil. We cannot fail to remove this lunatic from office.

[CanonRay]

20. Waking Up

Maybe I'm just an optimist, but I get a sense that this country is awakening from a nightmare, and maybe just in time. There will always be those who will not see no matter what happens, but I believe that a tidal wave is forming in the "grassroots" to unseat the worst President in American history. I've never seen Democrats more energized than this year.

[sadiesworld]

23. I hope you're right, CanonRay.

Welcome to DU :hi:

[indigobusiness]

22. A glib sense of entitlement

leads to sick sensibilities, such as that which spawned this gif



http://www.conservativeunderground.com//forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=8303

[MadHound]

25. Well, it is all part and parcel of the corporations buying out both

Political parties, you know, the two party/same corporate master system of government, or as Kevin Phillips put it in his book "Wealth and Democracy", the Second Gilded Age.

Lots and lots of people really want to believe that things will get better under Kerry, but somehow I think that the best we'll do is a holding pattern, if even that much. What is being acted out here is the old good cop/bad cop drama, and too many people in this country are falling for it, unable or unwilling to believe that the common man in this country is going to get screwed no matter who is in office. What is needed is a real change in this country, with publicly financed election campaigns, and candidates who don't take corporate money. That is the only hope for this country, but too many people are still reflexively caught up in partisan politics to recognize this or act on it. Sad to say, it is going to have to get worse before people wake up and make it better.

Yes, the country is insane, and going down fast. Hopefully people wake up before it hits bottom.

[vincent_vega_lives]

27. America's demise is premature

Are things really melting down this fast?

How fast is fast? As far as I can see it is bussiness as usual, the ebb and flow of politics.

Talk about political unrest try the American Civil War.

Remember Vietnam? Nixon? Remember Clinton came after all that.

Is America really going insane?

America has always been a little insane, schizofrenic to be more accurate.

Are people really convinced that "the economy is getting better" despite the continued decline in jobs and incomes?

Decline from when exactly? 1929? 1980? Compared to then this is boomtown! Things need proper perspective.


Am I really seeing Democrats talk about "pragmatically" supporting other Democrats who have voted to undermine the constitutional system of government to gain political points, and blast critics as "unrealistic"?

Sounds like the 1940s all over again. Still after that we had Johnson's great society, Civil rights and, yes, Clinton.

Is America really accelerating its decline, or am I just trapped in a four-year-nightmare?

Four years is a drop in American Ocean. Four months and a wake up!

[JHB]

28. The frog is boiling...

You know the old story: put a frog in boiling water and it'll jump right out, but put him in tepid water then progressively raise the temperature, and it won't realize it's boiling until it croaks (ba-dum-BUM).

The current situation is the result of a stew of traditional American problems, but with the added dimension of a concerted, mostly low-profile thirty-year right-wing/corporate war on "liberals" (defined by them as everyone to the left of themselves, which is the majority).
They've been aided and abetted by Democrats who have become dependent on the same sphere of campaign donors that more naturally aligned with the Republicans, so in many ways the Dems have indeed acted as "Republicans-light".

I think the campaign is hitting its breaking point, but I think the nightmare may take more than four years to get out from under.