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noahmijo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 01:29 AM
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A MAJOR point from F 9/11 supported by 9/11 commission
Wonder what the freepers got to say about this one:


At least 13 relatives of Osama bin Laden, accompanied by bodyguards and associates, were allowed to leave the United States on a chartered flight eight days after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, according to a passenger manifest released yesterday.


One passenger, Omar Awad bin Laden, a nephew of the al Qaeda leader, had been investigated by the FBI because he had lived with Abdullah bin Laden, a leader of the World Assembly of Muslim Youth, which the FBI suspected of being a terrorist organization.


The passenger list was made public by Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), who obtained the manifest from officials at Boston's Logan International Airport. Lautenberg's office was given the document in recent weeks and released it before today's issuance of the final report of the commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks.

More:

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php?id=104
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 01:35 AM
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1. House of Saud/House of Bush
It says it all. Bush is a global corporatist. Pure and simple. He could care less about us just workeng class Americans. That's not why he was (s)elected.
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 01:39 AM
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2. michael moore's patriotism....may be able to help save this country...eom
Edited on Fri Jul-23-04 01:39 AM by 28erl
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 01:48 AM
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3. HA! This was THE major argument against F911 by the right wingers
...well, the only real major specific argument. The one other argument I've read is that the Representative had a nephew that was about to be deployed to Afghanistan when Moore wanted to know whether he had any CHILDREN in IRAQ. The rest of the complaints made against the movie were pretty vague and nothing more than insults thrown at the director.

I hope this gets the publicity it deserves...it probably won't, but it should. I plan on emailing this important point to Newsweek and see if I get a response. It's a start.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 01:48 AM
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4. I don't see this as different from what has already been stated.
O don't know the names of all the people on that plane, but it has been stated they were all members of the Bin Laden family.

I'm not saying it was right to let them leave, but I guess I can understand why if Usama really was ostricised from the family and the reso of the family despised what he had done here. Don't you think many Americans would have killed his family members if they found them?
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 01:52 AM
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5. There's the operative phrase...
Edited on Fri Jul-23-04 02:07 AM by w13rd0
"IF he was ostracized from the rest of the family"...we know he was not, and is not.

ON EDIT:
Oh, and the bin Ladens come to harm? Please, people with that kind of money equate their security with being a cost of doing business. I'm sure they had PLENTY of security, likely much of it paid for by the US taxpayer, far above and beyond the kind of security I, as a "standard" US citizen, can reasonably expect.

ON FURTHER EDIT:
Oh yeah, of course, we can expect all the media companies to mention that the plane these people flew on just so happened to also be frequently used by the WH to cart journalists around...right?
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 02:07 AM
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7. I sure don't remember where I heard it, but I have heard many
reports that Usama was disowned by his family a number of years ago. That's when he was supposed to have fled to Sudan and then to Afgan.
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 02:27 AM
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10. So you believe that?
Even if it were true, there is no reason to exempt them from FBI interrogation about what they knew about him and his pals. As to the actual facts about his being "disowned," there is a lot published about continued contacts. An ex-wife in that family, when on CNN promoting her book http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,12469,1259050,00.html said she believed that family ties were strong and lasting. She just might have better data than you.

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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 02:50 AM
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11. Osama's family celebrated with him at his son's wedding in 2001
there are pictures of this event...it occured in the summer of '01.

I remember the reports about the Bin Laden family disowning OBL too, but I remember them coming out at the same time they were taking special flights out of the US.

I have no idea what OBL's relationship is with his family, but regardless of whether it's love or hate, I don't like the idea of giving them special treatment days after their family member is blamed for the worse act of terrorism ever comitted. It's like what F911 said...could you imagine giving the McVeigh family special treatment out of the country without asking all the neccessary questions after the OKC bombing?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 06:13 AM
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14. Right. That's what the NeoCons told us, isn't it?
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 02:10 AM
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8. And..........
they were evacuated from the country on a jet that the White House often charters for members of the press corps when * leaves the country. Gee, I wonder who chartered the jet for the Saudis?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 02:21 AM
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9. We can't protect 13 people??
Oh please. The entire country was at a near standstill. I know a guy who bought a car and drove it clear across the country in order to get home and take care of his business. Millions of Americans accepted the inconvenience, and all the while we were shuttling this family out of the country?!? I don't know if there were al qaeda connections or not, but it is absolutely wrong that anybody have this kind of influence in our government, particularly after one of the worst tragedies we've ever faced.
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StandUpGuy Donating Member (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 03:15 AM
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13. Do you think the average American
Can pick a Saudi from a crowd of Arabs?

If not the safety excuse is garbage.

If reprisals were there concern they should have rounded up all Arabs and secured them from outraged Americans.

Instead Bush flew the Family of the prime suspect safely out of investigators reach.
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 02:05 AM
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6. Yes this story was in WaPo today. But no mention of it in our
Whore Media.
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freeminder Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 02:57 AM
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12. LBN thread on WaPo article is looking for traction too
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 06:27 PM
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15. On c-span this morning...Philip Zerlikow
Edited on Fri Jul-23-04 06:29 PM by zidzi
was on with brian lamb and brian was pointing out something in the report that said that no one flew out of the USA when the air space was forbidden.

And brian said..my point is ..no one flew out When they weren't suppose to? And Philip Zelikow said..no. Then brian said ..so that movie F9/11 was a lie? And Philip said ..I haven't seen the movie.

So brian lamb is accusing the whole movie of being a lie!

http://www.c-span.org/


On Edit~ I thought we had a copy of Flight permission to fly out of Tampa airport on one of those days...or did brian get the movie wrong ..cause now I can't remember what was said in the movie?
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