Let's Face it..they are going to STEAL the Election!

[goclark]

After reading over the threads today, there are several threads that make me strongly believe that the Fix is in, they will steal this election!

Just a few examples:

Jeb is STILL messing with the felons

Even the LA Times calls this election close

The 911 Commission Report called the OBL Family airplanes trips nothing to think about - bottom line,IMO, it blames Clarke and that makes MM's words lies to the public that is asleep.

The Media Whores are going full blast about Berger and the Commission Report. The Democratic Convention will be a tag line.

THINK BOLD! We KNOW FOR SURE THEY WILL MESS WITH THE VOTES! They are crooks. We can sit back and believe that the majority will vote for Kerry. The majority WILL VOTE FOR KERRY but IT WILL NOT MATTER!!

My grandmother always told me " When the going gets tough, the tough get going!"

My example of BOLD is Corinne Brown! She didn't mess around. We need more people that come out saying they are going to STEAL this election! People need to hear it day after day in a variety of ways.

What BOLD ways can you think of?


:mad:

[nickinSTL]

1. bin laden flights

'The 911 Commission Report called the OBL Family airplanes trips nothing to think about - bottom line,IMO, it blames Clarke and that makes MM's words lies to the public that is asleep'

Hmm. I'm curious about this one. Moore had some documents showing flights. What are the evidence the 911 Commission saw that led them to believe it didn't happen?

Any threads on this? (can't afford the search feature)

[w4rma]

55. Snopes has verified that there were flights during this period of time.

In the two days immediately following the September 11 terrorist attacks on America, the U.S. government allowed bin Laden family members to fly within the country during a general ban on air travel: True.
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flight.htm

[goclark]

60. The link is excellent! Thanks! n/t

[JohnyCanuck]

2. Here's another one for you.

Terrorism and the election: No postponement, just bedlam at the polls and a low turnout on the West Coast is Bush's plan for 'victory'

by Wayne Madsen

<snip>

Here's the scenario we must be all be prepared for:

If the pre-election internal tracking polls and public opinion polls show the Kerry-Edwards ticket leading in key battleground states, the Bush team will begin to implement their plan to announce an imminent terrorist alert for the West Coast for November 2, sometime during the mid afternoon Pacific Standard Time. At 2:00 PST, the polls in Kentucky and Indiana will be one hour from closing (5:00 PM EST–the polls close in Indiana and Kentucky at 6:00 PM EST). Exit polls in both states will be known to the Bush people by that time and if Kentucky (not likely Indiana) looks too close to call or leaning to Kerry-Edwards, the California plan will be implemented. A Bush problem in Kentucky at 6:00 PM EST would mean that problems could be expected in neighboring states and that plans to declare a state of emergency in California would begin in earnest at 3:00 PM PST.

The U.S. Northern Command, which has military jurisdiction over the United States, will, along with the Department of Homeland Security and Schwarzenegger's police and homeland security officials in Sacramento, declare an "imminent" terrorist threat–a RED ALERT—affecting California's major urban areas.

<snip>

That terrorist emergency declaration could be made around 5:00 PM PST and with only three hours left for voting throughout the state, a number of working class voters in urban centers will either be caught up in California's infamous freeway traffic and be too late to get to their polling places or be more concerned about their families and avoid voting altogether.

Without a doubt, many Democratic voters might simply opt to pick their kids up from day care centers or relatives and then go home without voting. These would tend to be the lower and middle income Californians and the Democratic base. The affluent voters in California who vote Republicans and can easily vote early (and be late for work) or have the option of leaving work at any time during the day to vote will have likely already cast their ballots. Therefore, the recipe of a White House-induced California terrorist alert and a low Democratic turnout could toss 54 electoral votes into Bush's lap, especially if the scare tactics affect the turnout in such urban and typically pro-Democratic vote-rich areas as Los Angeles, the San Francisco Bay Area, and Sacramento.

www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/071504Madsen/071504madsen.html

[havocmom]

3. And don' forget GOP lawmaker saying they have to "surpress the Detroit

vote"!

:grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke:

[Cat Atomic]

14. That seems like a very flimsy argument to me.

I've never seen any data suggesting Republicans vote earlier in the day than Democrats. Is this true?

[goclark]

36. Are they saying we don't go to work?!

Maybe they are trying to say that all good Republicans vote before going to work.

[Fovea]

4. They would start a second civil war if they

do. And they know that. If you see a large mobililzation of remaining National Guard right before the election, that will be the real reason.

[yella_dawg]

25. They're pumping Fort Hood, Texas full of guardsmen

beginning in August.


Hmmm...

[rucky]

50. I'm usually not a paranoid person, but I feel the same way.

I think some elements actually want a civil war. We really really need to pay attention to how protestors are being treated at both conventions. If we have another Chicago 7 incident - or if any of the Homeland Security doom warnings come down - expect... I don't know what to expect, but something's happening here...

[napi21]

5. I think you are assuming too much.

Listen to the different members of the Commission in their recent interviews. No matter what their words, they all basicly say "we presented the facts in the report and the public will make their own conclusions."

All along, they were very concentrated on presenting a bi-partisan and unanimous opinion. That prevents any of them from pointing a finger directly to either Bush or Clinton.

The flack about Sandy Berger is just the media jumping on the newest story of the week. Remember, that biggest story a few weeks ago was the movie F911.

Are they crooks? YES. Will they try to mess with the votes? I think they will try. There has been sooo much publicity about vote fraud, even the Pubs will hesitate doing anything blaitent.

Jeb was trying to mess with the voter lists, but the same media who we all bitch about forced him to stop.

Grandma was right, so we also have to be tough and keep the pressure on.

[in_cog_ni_to]

7. Without a paper trail, how will we know

if they hacked into the voting machines? We won't know. They WILL change the votes on the machines because we have no way to know if they change them or not.

[Zidane]

19. Exit polls

nt

[in_cog_ni_to]

44. Exit polls? That's funny.

The people tell an exit poller who they voted for, the repukes change their votes on the machines and they don't mesh....HOW DO YOU PROVE IT? You don't! Exit polls mean shit in this election.

[Nimrod]

6. I wish...

I could stay consistently optimistic about our fair country, but sometimes I really can't help but lapse into defeatism. It's an ugly feeling that I definitely try not to wallow in, but after seeing what's happened here already and what the admin is gearing up for in the future... ouch.

They rigged the 2000 election, we cried "Thief", they said "Who cares what you think?". They drove this country into a barely concealed depression, we cried "Corporate Elitist", they said "Who cares what you think?" They went to war, we cried "Liar", they said "Who cares what you think?".

Seriously. Not to be overdramatic, but there are times late at night when I look into the future and see another civil war as the only likely way out.

That probably makes me a terrorist though, huh? ::grabs little American flag and starts waving it rather desperately while looking around for Ashcroft::

:)

(editeed fore speeling)

[Marvelous_Smarty]

11. They did NOT rig the election in 2000!

They rigged Florida. A National election can not rigged. To many variables and too many allies needed in enemy territory.

Everything hinged on keeping the election close enough that Florida would matter.

It was Gore, who by being FOR everything and AGAINST everything at the same time, allowed the election to hinge on the outcome of Florida.

[Nimrod]

13. I think...

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I'm of the opinion that the whole humiliating shebang during the Clinton administration was a base coat of whitewash. By convincing the public that everyone BESIDES them cared more about BJ's than employment, they paved the way to steal the 2000 election and get away with it.

Call me a conspiracy theorist, maybe I am. Again, this is just my personal perception of it all.

[Joanne98]

18. A National election can be rigged

If you have voting machines to help you.

[Eloriel]

56. Oh, that's right. Blame Gore.

Thereby letting the REAL evildoers off the hook.

[goclark]

30. I'm with you

I don't trust them one bit.

It makes me believe there will be a Civil War because our country can not go on like this, it makes me want to cry.

[Eric J in MN]

8. We need exit polls so at least we'll know if it was stolen.

I wish MoveOn or another organziation would sponsor Exit Polls.

If the Voter News Service does Exit Polls, they will be pro-Republican, since they were criticized by Republicans for calling Florida for Gore in 2000.

[goclark]

16. "WATCH UM AT THE POLLS"

Is what I want.
I want to have a Set of Smart, Mean, Trained Democrats at EVERY election site. Not just nicey poll watchers, I mean a "MEAN MACHINE."

I believe that Bev Harris is aiming for that scenario. I'm with Bev all the way. She needs thousands of helpers in order to keep them on their toes!

[tom_paine]

22. It's even worse than that. VNS has been disbanded. Bushevik Whore AP

will be conducting their Phony Exits Polls.

Which means "exit polls" will now always agree with the StaTe's "Results".

Any Totalitarian worth his salt would know that VNS had to be removed because an organization shared by many agencies is harder to influence and rig.

AP, already thoroughly shot through with Bushevik Mockingbrids and Loyalists, is just the agency for it.

Like Pravdas conducting Exit Polls in the 1978 Soviet Union.

"Comrades, we can now confirm that Comrade Brezhnve DID INDEED get 98.2% of the votes!"

:puke:
Imperial Amerika...

[bryant69]

9. If they are 100% going to steal the election

than what's the point in getting people riled up about it? Unless, I guess, if we can make them sloppy so that it is pretty clear what they are doing. Which might help in the forthcoming revolution.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[goclark]

32. Thanks for the link

I'm still riled up because as much as I want to believe that if everyone votes every vote will count,I can't.

I would rather be proactive than reactive. Being reactive didn't work in 2000 and it won't work in 2004.

[wishlist]

10. Not if there is a huge turnout against Bush- Polls show incredible energy

this year among Democrats compared to Repubs. Several polls have showed how much more fired up Dems are this year. But then again, if the voting is rigged is key states, Bush will go in again.

I am manic/depressive about this election- I swing back and forth daily or hourly between elation and disappointment at the developments.

I have also thought that civil war and violence could occur if the balance of power in Washingon doesn't change in these elections. I was terribly disappointed in the way the 2002 mid-term elections solidified Republican power (and Californians got duped by the energy manipulation into allowing Arnold to become Governor there)

[rniel]

12. There is still hope if bush wins

Bush steals the election, but the democrats take back the house and senate. Bush could not get away with the crap he is now.

[SammyWinstonJack]

15. If I didn't want * out of office so GD bad!

that scenerio would be great fun to watch. :bounce: * would be so pissy, never getting his way, EVER! Hahahaha! :evilgrin: That would be a first for him.

[mitchtv]

27. Californians KNOW all about the energy crisis

Arnold was elected to refund the car tax increase and his star power.

[Zidane]

17. Don't forget the biggest reason - patriot act

and all the other related acts - as well as patriot 2.

Look - Bush's term is almost over, yet they are still trying to pass these bills. I SERIOUSLY doubt they would let Kerry (or any democrat) even come close to the kind of authority they are trying to give bush. I doubt they would risk letting kerry come in right after the bills had been passed - this giving him instead of chimp that authority.

So this makes me think the repubs KNOW that they WILL win the election one way or another...

[goclark]

21. Right

They will never give up power in this country again.

Stealing a few thousand votes would be so easy for them. They did it before and they have now had 4 years to make their stealing even better.

Trust me folks, they are planning to do it again.

[alfredo]

20. Look closely at this GOP image, it will give you an idea what they

think of you.



hint= To the left of bush

[goclark]

39. It's all about $$$$ and power

Since they have tons of money and tons of power, do we really believe that they will stand by and not try any trick in the book to still control this election?

[sendero]

23. They will try...

.... but they will NOT BE ABLE to get away with the same shenannigans they did last time, because they are under a microscope this time.

And vote machines can be fudged here and there for a few votes, but not for the HUGE NUMBERS OF VOTES it will take for Bush* to win.

This sort of unfounded negativity and free-floating anxiety is getting old.

[Beacho]

24. No, they're going to TRY and steal the election

They need it to be close to succeed, so let's make sure it isn't

They need Ralph on the ballot in electronic voting states, to throw Kerry votes into his bin(See Diebold story about Alameda during the recall race).

The battle is far from lost

[ObaMania]

26. They can't steal it if Kerry gets a huge popular vote and...

... some swing states.

Not gonna happen this time. There's no way in hell that * won by 500 votes, and I'm not believing this neck-in-neck race shit that the conservative news shows are feeding us to help set up another hijacking of the presidency.

I don't think 'Muricans will stand for it.

[goclark]

42. How many swing states

would Kerry need and how many thousands of popular votes would Kerry have to win by?

I really don't understand the electoral college process.

Thanks for helping me understand it better.

[Zorra]

28. No doubt about it. Someone needs to do an analysis of all possible

ways to commit election fraud. Because the republican think tanks have already done this, and the republicans are using methods for stealing elections that we have yet to recognize.

If we can figure out what they are doing that we don't yet know about, we'll be able to stop them.

[Beacho]

29. Look at the latest felon list in Fla

the theives don't have the element of surprise this time

activist are all over Ohio, already expecting it to be the 'Florida of 2004'.

People are paying attention and taking action

[homelandpunk]

31. Were you waitig for someone to say "DieBOLD" to your query?

Hey, I'm not dumb. :)
I thought I would have seen the Diebold reply post by now.
But better late than never!

But yeah, Jeb STILL messing with the way votes are counted in Florida is a real eye-opener to it being an apparent theft in the making.

[goclark]

35. Yea, DieBOLD is the DEVIL

But I still think they are going to mix it up.
They will try to steal votes in a variety of states. With Florida turning up the heat, the Corinne Brown heat, it may get tricky for Bushco there.

Where will they go in 04? I say they will go EVERYWHERE that they think we don't have the pressure on them.

Diebold :evilfrown:

Democrats :evilgrin:

[Andy_Stephenson]

47. It is not only Diebold we need to worry about

Sequoia and ES&S are also problems. Diebold is the look here not there company.

Yes we got problems...I have a solution. Paper pencil and a day off to count the election.

[mountainvue]

33. Can you post a link on

Jebbie and the felons?

[goclark]

34. Jebbie and the felons

2049829, Jeb at it again: Ex-felons Face New Twist in Voting
Posted by G_j on Fri Jul-23-04 10:47 AM

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/072404Z.shtml

Ex-felons Face New Twist in Voting
By Debbie Cenziper and Jason Grotto
The Miami Herald
Friday 23 July 2004

Gov. Jeb Bush has decided to eliminate paper applications for felons seeking to recover their civil rights, and attorneys assert that the move will thwart thousands of potential voters.

Days after a Florida appeals court demanded that the state provide more help to felons who want their right to vote restored, Gov. Jeb Bush introduced a new policy that civil rights advocates say circumvents the will of the court and threatens to exclude tens of thousands of potential voters.

Last week, the First District Court of Appeal in Tallahassee unanimously ruled that state prison officials must follow the law and provide newly released felons the necessary paperwork and assistance to get their full civil rights back.

That would include a one-page application for a formal hearing before the Florida Clemency Board - the only way an estimated 85 percent of felons will ever get their rights restored.

But instead of providing the application, Bush decided to scrap it altogether. On Wednesday, he announced that felons will now have to contact the Office of Executive Clemency when and if they want to apply for a hearing to have their rights restored.
..more..

[LarryBaker]

37. Everything in your post is pure speculation

Work on getting some evidence. Just screaming day after day that the election will be stolen on the basis of this will seem to Joe Six-pack like the "loony left" is at it again.

[goclark]

38. Read the thread

and remember that Joe Six Pack, alias GWB, stole the last election.

[SammyWinstonJack]

41. LOL!

"Joe Six Pack, alias GWB," Accurate.

[Sparkly]

40. Diebold is evidence.

Their efforts to disenfranchise voters in 2000 are evidence.

(Not to mention their long history of it -- "challenging" voters, for instance -- and the fact that they were still using phoney felon lists in 2002.)

They've proven they will do it if they can; and Diebold proves they can.

[goclark]

43. Did you see what * told Jesse!?

There is a DU thread today that says that Jesse asked Chimp what was he going to do about assuring Blacks that their votes would be counted. Chimp's response was,"I'll ask Karl Rowe."

In other words, he didn't have an answer that was PC because the real answer is that they do not intent for Black Votes to count.

They are planning to do the same thing folks ---steal this election!

I give Jesse credit for asking the question. That was a BOLD question and that is what I am talking about, more Democrats need to BOLDLY ask the questions and keep their feet to the fire.:bounce:

[Sparkly]

45. Real problems here in Maryland

We're getting no proof of ballot here, at all. Our only recourse is to vote absentee.

I'm thinking we need protests outside the polling places (is that allowed?) with "Voting Booths" of little shoeboxes and slips of paper, and signs that say "THIS is more reliable than the voting booths inside!"

[librechik]

49. funny how right wingers hate and try to eliminate "speculation"

(if Limbaugh or Scarborough aren't doing it)

then say their worst failure is that of imagination.

Thay love to shoot themselves in the foot.

I guess you missed that 3 hour conference on C-Span yesterday about the problems with electronic voting. And you haven't read the reams of pages of articles examining the anomalies across the nation in the 2000 and 2002 elections. I guess you just need to go get informed--

We have already done our homework as voting citizens here, and we don't trust our leader's reassurances that their corporate cronies will take good care of us. That's why we can discuss this at a more advanced level. Go catch up with us and come back, we're not going to do it for you!

[librechik]

46. "I don't intend to lose."

remember that interview? was it MTP?

[lancdem]

48. Maybe I'm being a Pollyanna here

but I don't think they'll get away with it twice. Remember, Kerry's hired a bunch of lawyers all over the country to keep an eye on this. As for Berger, it appears to not be hurting Kerry. He's doing well in the most state polls that have come since the Berger flap started.

[librechik]

51. Lawyers of all people need documentary evidence

How will they get it in a DRE state?

[Zen Democrat]

52. They stole the 2000 election because we sat down and let them.

That won't happen again. The fact that Jeb is still scurrying around trying to fix the vote tells me things will be different. He's not getting away with this again.

Besides, all the inside politics stuff, a la Berger, won't affect this election one way of the other. The tide has changed because people are unemployed or underemployed - their savings have dwindled - their investments portfolios have dwindled - health care costs are off the map and millions more have no health insurance.

Remember, there are many many people who support Bush down the line on Iraq -- but won't vote for him for personal economic reasons.

It's still the economy, people.

[goclark]

53. I have a bridge in Brooklyn

that I would like to sell you! :)

[Name removed]

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[loudsue]

57. I see you're new here! Welcome to DU, Cottonmouth!!

However.... A Kerry win is absolutely NOT assured.

For a couple of YEARS now DUers have been (daily) researching how the computerized vote-counting machines are hackable, corruptable, the programming of the machines is "proprietary business secrets", and the machine certifications (required by law) have been by-passed, corrupted, and ignored by those (lazy and/or corrupt) individuals at the highest levels who SHOULD be insuring their citizens a secure vote.

"with all of the bad (????) press Bush gets" you say? May I ask which channels YOU'RE watching???? He gets a free pass EVERYWHERE in the corporate right wing media.

I hope you'll stick around and follow the money with us. This country -- OUR Democracy -- is in GRAVE danger. Just reading the Patriot Act and the PNAC documents are enough to show you that we no longer have a working constitution in this country.

:kick::kick::kick:

[Name removed]

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[goclark]

59. I'd rather the Chimp have a beer!

I would rather work on the premise that BushCo are crooks.
If I think that way I will be happily surprised the day after the election.

I do not intent to leave this earth thinking that there was one stone that I left unturned in terms of this election. This is the most important election that this country has faced in my life time.

I spent the day yesterday registering voters. I'll be back doing that tomorrow.

Relax is never in my thoughts when I have a goal. My goal is victory for Kerry in November and electing people of good will to Congress.

I'll skip the beer and keep working for the Election!

[loudsue]

61. I didn't get back before the previous poster's post was deleted....

I guess my "welcome" wasn't welcomed???

Hmph!

:kick::kick::kick:

[arwalden]

62. Ya Try To Be Nice To Someone And THIS Is How They Pay You Back...

The ingrates! Freakin disruptors. You just never know... do ya? :hi:

-- Allen