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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 12:39 PM
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smirk has 1000s of christian missionarys in Iraq - do you know this?

I didn't, I thought it was only a few

http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/04/07/int04037.html

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Mark Crispin Miller: Well, if we start with that war, you're absolutely right. The American people are unaware of the extent to which Iraq has been overrun by Christian missionaries, primarily Southern Baptists. The International Mission Board has thousands of Americans operating in Iraq, with most of them, it seems, intent primarily on saving souls -- converting Muslims. They bring material inducements with them. They have clean water, blankets, food. They're basically trying to barter an enlargement of the world's Christian community -- which is a dangerous provocation, because Muslims see such apostasy as a capital offense. So some of these missionaries, as you may know, have been assassinated. Once we put it all together, we can see quite clearly that "George sees this as a religious war," as reported by a close relation of the president's in The Bushes: Portrait of a Dynasty, by Peter and Rochelle Schweizer.

So this is not just a geo-political game, or just a bid to hog the global oil supply. It is fundamentally a religious war. The guy who's now in charge of counter-terrorism efforts in the theater of war is William "Jerry" Boykin, who used to go to fundamentalist churches in his full dress uniform and talk about the enemy being a guy named Satan, and claim that Bush was chosen by the Lord to be our president. The guy is a fanatic. And far from urging him to curb his zealous outbursts, his bosses at the Pentagon promoted him after that controversy. Now he is one of the most influential people giving orders in Iraq and thereabouts. You may also recall that our troops were given pamphlets urging them to pray for Bush, and to pray that he stand tough against all criticism.

Now all of this puts Bush on the same level with America's Islamist enemies. It's also what makes Bush & Co. so weirdly reminiscent of past totalitarian movements. All the major war-drives in modern history -- in Germany, in the Soviet Union, and in the Middle East -- have been impelled by people who believed that they were at risk, that they were being persecuted, that they faced annihilation. Hitler actually believed that "world Jewry" threatened Germany, and that his bloody enterprise was a means of self-defense against the Jews. We know all too well that al-Qaeda's people universally regard the Jews and Christians as plotting to wipe out Islam. And the Christo-fascist types now in control of the United States believe that they're the victims of non-Christians. Rush Limbaugh's brother, David, has written a book called Persecution, whose thesis is that Christians are a persecuted minority in the United States. There's a picture of a lion on the cover. It's insane.
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the religiously insane are dangerous
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 12:41 PM
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1. Well, that's discrimination, isn't it?
Should all religions get a shot at them?

:headbang:
rocknation
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 12:44 PM
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Call up the Wiccan Brigade!
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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 12:48 PM
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3. Reporting to duty
Well the last fundie leaving for the rapture please be sure to turn off the ignition on your hummer.

We earth lovers were here before the apocalyptic folk and we'll be here long after they've returned to their respective heavens.


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CaTeacher Donating Member (983 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 12:44 PM
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2. no--we should respect the religion that they have
and no one should be going in and proselytizing them.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 12:58 PM
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6. Of course they shouldn't--espeically not on the taxpayer's dime
EVERYONE should be free to make their own religous decisions--even them. But if the Bush regime is going to endorse this, they should be giving the Iraqis ALL the available religious options. We report, they decide!

:headbang:
rocknation

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Marvelous_Smarty Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 12:50 PM
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4. When FOX News broadcasts
Christian fundementalists beheading Muslims then I'll take comparisons between the two seriously. It is the duty of a Christian to spread the word. Radical Muslims are just as set on molding the world to mirror their own religious view.

Both sides see each other as the Devil. If God was taken out of the equation on both sides, then what would be the beef?
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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 12:56 PM
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5. "Spread the word"? Not fear or guilt?
You mean spread fear of the devil, hell and the apocalyspe.

Christian and Muslim Fundies don't get it. All spritual paths lead to God except the ones marked "exit only."


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PaganWarrior/
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Marvelous_Smarty Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 01:25 PM
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9. I never said that either one was right or wrong.
I just stated why Fundamentalist Christians feel they have to be there.
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 01:32 PM
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12. "Radical Muslims are just as set on molding the world to mirror their own
religious view."

And I guess you've never heard of the Crusades?
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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 01:49 PM
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13. Oh right because bombing them
is so much more humane than beheading. Conservative Christians have no moral high ground because they haven't beheaded anybody. It was a conservative Christian who declared war on a people who had done nothing to us. Not to mention the whole torture and rape thing.
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Marvelous_Smarty Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 01:54 PM
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15. I am not talking about your
everyday type Christians. I am talking about the ones that would gleefully kill while proclaiming "God is Great" with a bloody knife still in thier hand. Going to church does not make a person a fundamentalist Christian any more than praying in a Mosque makes a person a jihadist.

People always bring up the Crusades. Yes, they happened, but it seems to me that the Muslims are the ones still stuck in that century.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 02:06 PM
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18. The muslims are the one stuck in that century?
Alright, maybe when the muslims invade the United States, round up people in concentration camps, and torture them until they renounce Allah and accept Jesus, maybe then you'll have a case.

But right now that's what the US is doing.
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 01:51 PM
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14. well, when a Muslim nation invades and occupies a Christian nation...
... then floods it with thousands of freaks eager to convert, do tell.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 01:54 PM
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16. you do understand that converting people IS "molding the world to mirror
their own religious view" don't you?

when you run about the world trying to get everyone to share your religious beliefs, that's exactly what you are doing...attempting to make the world think as you do.

you can spin it anyway you like to..and you can quote passgages that people are following..but the end result is the same..it's not "saving" the world....it's "molding"
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 01:00 PM
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7. First the sword, then the Cross
Wicth Burners like Boosh* don;t really change much from century to century, do they?

Only what they can get away with...
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 01:23 PM
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8. there's not need to bring christianity to iraq...it already exist there
and it's insulting for outsiders to suggest otherwise. it shows their ignorance and exposes their agenda. it's also very insulting for people to seek to convert the followers of Islam based on some arrogant notion that christianity is somehow a superior religion.

though they are all but forgotten, one of the oldest sects of christianity still exist in Iraq. For the scholarly types, the loss of so much history , both oral and written, through constant wars, is a tragedy.

we are further destroying the "cradle of civilization" ... and with it, our own history.

why does the past scare people so badly they lie about it and attempt to destroy it?

they do so to control the future...for it we can rewrite the past, it's whatever we want it to be..

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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 01:30 PM
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10. America the Theocracy...don't laugh
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 01:31 PM
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11. I'm not n/t
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 01:57 PM
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17. I don't have a problem with church-based assistance programs
but I don't like the idea of fundagelicals proselytizing all over Iraq. x(

Would Jesus love a liberal? You bet!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/liberalchristians.htm
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