So Nader, Bad, cost the election for Gore, but a diety, no problem !!??

[moof]

Does anybody think that this constant lip service for a deity and helping to keep this urban legend going is the least bit helpful for
bu*sh and the rest of the liars that use it to keep the sheeple .. sheeple ?

It's amazing to hear people jump in any time Nader's name comes up and blame him for bu*sh but people bring up this deity fiction on what seems like a daily basis with little or no objection that this
is more of a factor in putting and keeping bu*sh in power than Nader ever was.

Wouldn't a don't ask don't tell policy be more prudent or are the Dems going to try and out sky the sky jockeys ?

That was rhetorical BTW.

It really is sad about all the people that were wired up to buy into
this nonsense at an early age. It can only be hoped that the small peace of mind they all get from it is worth the risk of having some nut with his finger on the button press it and end it all for everyone
because of some promise of a life after this one.

Until the day people are no longer willing to believe in things that are not true many people will unfortunately continue to believe almost anything.

Now the cliff notes for those unable to grasp points based in reality.

Why blame Nader for bu*sh but never blame a deity ?




Those that realize that no election took place in 2000 and is not likely to in 2004 need reply.

[trumad]

1. I don't know...

as a Floridian I tend to think that Naders 90,000 votes had a bit to do with it... But you keep pretending.....

[Catch22Dem]

2. I like the way you think

But I also have to agree with trumad on this one. I think the two discussions are mutually exclusive.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

3. What is it called when you condemn a whole large group of people

by the actions of a subset of that group?

I won't give the answer for fear of having this post pulled.

Just FYI, lots of religious people voted Democratic (like me, Catwoman, liberalhistorian, Padraig18, Cuban Liberal, Rowdyboy, just to name the few I can think of early on a Saturday morning, not to mention nearly the entire membership of my church back in Portland). Some of the religious people I know even voted for Nader in 2000.

Meanwhile, the older of my two brothers, the only non-religious member of the family, is the only Republican among my relatives.

So how does that fit your smug worldview?

(I suppose this post will do as much to convince you as my attempts to convince some people that just because the guys on the news who killed each other in a gang-related incident happened to be black, not all black people are criminals.)

[DemBones DemBones]

4. I'm another Democrat who's religious, and so are

KoKo, Cheswick, Tinoire, among others. I don't know why we keep having these threads about God in GD, though. Don't they belong in the Meeting Room?

(I don't believe the BS that 90% of churchgoers will vote for Bush*. In their dreams!)

[Lydia Leftcoast]

5. Really!

I'd say my very large parish is going 90% Kerry!

Maybe that "statistic" about churchgoers going 90% for Bushboy is based on a survey narrowed down to suburban megachurches in the South and Midwest and retro Catholic churches that never got over Vatican II.

[Mr_Spock]

At least this thread has a reference to politics in it. The other "God"

thread has no reference at all to politics in the starting post, but the moderators won't move it to the Lounge or Meeting Room - not sure why?

[TreasonousBastard]

8. Rabrrrr, Pagerbear...

and a bunch of others I can't think of offhand.

None of my fellow Quakers will be voting Republican this year (or won't admit it) and few have in the past. I doubt there will be many Mennonites, Brethren, or UU's, either. Or Buddhists. Catholics and Jews are notoriously Democratic, at least around here.

Pax Christi, Baptist Peace Fellowship of North America, Lutheran Peace Fellowship, Methodist Peace Fellowship... the many interfaith groups... the list goes on. All are horrified and revolted by the assaults on peace, the environment, and our essential liberties.

In Quaker parlance, we have "leadings." It is our personal understanding of God that guides us. It defines our lives, and while there are no specific rules, we find ourselves drawn to certain lifestyles and actions. This has brought us to the Peace Testimony, Earthwitness, and our other historic stands on justice and social action.

This is not unknown in other Christian sects, or other religions, we just make it central to our concept of religion. We are quite pleased to see that others are giving it more importance lately.

For every pulpit preaching for war and against abortion, I suspect there are far more preaching love. We just don't hear about them unless we're in those pews.

[Kahuna]

9. Include me in that number. It is ignorant to believe that all..

Christians are fundy and republican.

[ClintonTyree]

6. A "Diety".................

didn't get 40,000 plus signatures from Conservatives in Michigan so the could be on the ballot there. St. Ralph, conquerer of unscrupulous Corporations, slayer of earth killing companies, depending upon the signatures of these same people to get on the ballot in Michigan.
I'm no believer in the great cloud being either, but I'd sooner believe in him/her/it than Nader's intentions in this election.

[G_j]

7. who cares ??

ZZZZZZZ:boring:ZZZZzzzzzz

either side of the coin, evangelizing is pretty much the same, obnoxious.

[mmonk]

10. I'm real big on reality

and part of the blame in such a close election goes to those that voted for Nader. Of course, they could not completely see the true nature of those that would assume power in a bush victory in combination with a terrorist strike like that of 9/11.

[Rowdyboy]

11. You don't win elections by dividing your own party

Sorry you have a problem with liberal Christians.
Sorry you refuse to understand the danger that Nader represents to our chances.

[Moderator]

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