Obama: "The President has good intentions"

[dennis4868]

Thats what he said on Meet the Whores this morning to Tim Russert regarding the war. Russert showed him a qoute that Obama said months ago that "Bush and Rove took us to war because of politics." Now that he is on Meet the Whores he changes his opinion entirely. Russert asked Obama, "do you really believe that Bush sent 900 soldiers to die because of politics?" (as if that is so far stretch). Obama says no and then says that Bush has good intentions to protect our country and it was about idealogy and the poor execution of the war....but Bush has the country's best interest. Yaaaaack! I thought Obama was the last Dem around who would fight back and talk the truth! There is not one dem left who gets the attention of the national media who talks the ugly truth about this war. Drives me crazy...... :-(

[leftchick]

1. me too....

:grr:

[madfloridian]

17. "He who is silent is assumed to consent."

Like your sig line. Democrats are silent now about Iraq, so that caught my eye.

[leftchick]

18. thanks... and for the Latin lovers....

"qui tacet consentire videtur" was my original sig line. Gov. Richardson was actually pretty good this morning addressing the Iraq issue. I hope it spreads.

[madfloridian]

2. They all sound just alike now.

The Kerry campaign is writing their speeches, all of them. A Stepford community of Democrats. I could cry.

[dennis4868]

4. It does not matter...

how many soldiers die in Iraq, Kerry and his other Dems will just keep saying the same thing and ignore the ugly truths about the war!

[dennis4868]

5. Wasn't it Kerry who said....

during the vietnam war, "how do you tell the last soldier to die for a mistake?" Well, that could not be more true today but because Kerry does not give a shit about our soldiers and only for his political career....nothing but lies are being said about the war from both dems and repubs!

[librechik]

3. please let's not accept this meme about "failing to get attention"

this is the RW Noise Machine placing the blame on the victim for its own crimes. WE didn't fail to get attention. They are deliberately withholding coverage of Kerry and all other Dem or Progressive voices, they have ALL the power to decide who they cover and who they ignore. And we are just accepting it.

WE must force them through laws and pressure to give us the same coverage they offer the GOP freely and lavishly.

[cosmicvortex20]

7. Im not sure the fairness doctrin is exactly whats needed.

I REALLY dont like the idea of a government agency dictating whats on my media. The results it had when it was in place was to chill the outpouring of ideas all around, so much so that most media outlets didnt find it worth the effort to even discuss politics unless they were shows specifically designed for it.

As much as I hate the enemy having so much media coverage, silencing people isnt the answer... I think most this stuff is cyclical so public opinion will eventually turn back the other way, etc...

[librechik]

15. Regulations and laws are annoying indeed

but when abuses occur, what lawful recourse does a citizen have if there is no law? Corporations are abusing the media and not serving the public. Yet there is little we can do, becasue their cronies in congress have made sure they can abuse with great impunity.

Since they won't police themselves as they promised when we removed the regulations, government must step in as in would in any fraud case, IMO. The market will not be public spirited voluntarily. There simply needs to be better oversight, by authorities as well as citizens.

[iconoclastic cat]

6. That is so damn depressing.

Why, Barak? Why?

I would like to know what these good intentions are, and what is so good about them.

When this election is over, I am going to volunteer for whatever group has the best chance of changing this culture of pathetic compliance.

I think that I have to write a letter to Barak Obama. That was disgraceful.

[dennis4868]

9. The problem is....

that many dems, including Obama, say all the right things about Bush and the war to their base (that the war was a mistake and Bush lied) when they are not talking to the national media. But once they are invited to give their opinion in the mainstreem media and go on shows like Meet the Whores, they sound very different...all of a sudden Bush is a good man and with good intentions. It is only how Bush executed this war that upsets them, not why and how we got there.

[in_cog_ni_to]

8. Obama also said he would have voted aginst the IWR

THAT is more than most people will say....including Kerry and Edwards.

[carpe diem]

10. That is exactly why .....

Russert and the others ask those kinds of questions. As soon as Obama or any other Progressive says that what many of us believe, that it WAS and continues to be all about politics. The RW/RNC w/the complete and total cooperation and complicity of the "mainstream" media, marginalizes and dismisses as "looney left" those who dare to suggest that this administration is indeed that corrupt and cynical. So, Obama and others who want to at least be taken seriously enough to get coverage that doesn't make them look ridiculous, have to be measured in how they voice their criticism. It is not fair and it is truly a double-standard because we know any Republican can get airtime on almost any talk show and use the most reckless and irresponsible language to make charges about any Democrat and they suffer no repercussions. The Dems, particularly the more liberal ones, DO NOT have this luxury. At least, not when dealing with the national media.

[madfloridian]

12. We don't have the luxury of being truthful?

That is sad.

[carpe diem]

16. it is indeed sad...

but never-the-less very true

[LandOLincoln]

39. No, we don't have the "luxury of being truthful."

And I'm damn glad we have skilled politicians like Barack Obama representing us, rather than hotheaded loudmouths like you and me.

[madfloridian]

58. Sorry, I am not a hotheaded loudmouth. No, I am not.

I question my party and its leaders, and I will continue to do so. I do believe we need to be outspoken and not let the GOP define our every move.

I have been a Democrat all my life, and I am now called hotheaded for saying we need to speak out.

Now that is just plain sad.

[madfloridian]

60. The fact that I was called a hotheaded loudmouth is scary.

I said nothing out of line, and I think questioning our leaders is healthy. I have been rude to no one. This is not a healthy thing, that people are being called names here today over questioning.

A couple of threads were out of line. My posts have not been out of line at all.

This is sort of upsetting to me that the name-calling is so important, more important than calling Bush what he is....a danger to our country. He lied in the SOTU speech. Powell lied to the UN.

How can our party in good conscience sit back and not call them on it?

[dennis4868]

13. very well said....

but how do we make changes so that Dems can tell the mainstreem media their real opinions about Bush and on other issues just like Repubs can go on any show and make the most reckless charges without any retribution? We cant vote the media out of office.....

[Bucky]

11. it's called taking the high road

Voters like their pols to do that. If the man couldn't flip flop a little bit, he wouldn't be a pol. Or let me put it a cute way.

A politician who can't flip will only flop.

[leesa]

19. And it's a mistake Dems make every time. This is TREASON we're talking

about not some little blow-job. They need to get off the high road and GET SERIOUS!

[nolajazz]

14. "Meet the Whores". I love it.

It should be the official name for MTP. Did you also see how Tom Brokaw shill for Bush in this morning's program? Tim Russert interviewed him about his interview with John Kerry. I didn't see the whole part, but catched when Tom Borkaw was saying that Kerry faced a very strong candidate (Bush). Then Tim Russert was saying John Kerry must have a lot of pressure for dilivering speech on the convention. Tom Brokaw was saying he saw a lot of policitical figures fail under such pressure, for instance, Al Gore in 2000. On the other hand Governor Bush did himself a lot of good on 2000 Repub convention for he delivered a better-than-expected speech!

It was totally disgusting. Even my teenager daughter who also watched it did not belive what he said.

[fujiyama]

20. Probably several reasons for this

It's hard to actually say, Bush went to Iraq for Oil and Halliburton profits. I wouldn't expect a candidate for the senate from any state to say that, even from a state like Illinois. He did say that it was a war based on ideaology and said he wouldn't have voted for it.

Also, if he said the war was based on politics then the whole things gets messy because Kerry and Edwards both voted for the resolution.

All in all, I was very impressed with Obama. He'll do a great job at the convention.

[senseandsensibility]

21. It's not necessary

for any Dem (and I've seen many do it) to say that * has good intentions. Apparently, they don't want to hit too hard for fear of alienating swing voters. But all they have to say in these situations is "I honestly don't know what his motives are, and I won't speculate on them. I only know the results of his actions." Then they should go on to explain the horrible results of every action taken by the baboon. Is that so hard?

[dennis4868]

23. Nope, not hard at all.....

so why in the hell dont dems say that. Why is the dem party so spineless.....If I was running for senate and had to be careful what I had to say I would simply state that it is curious that the NIE pre-October 2002 regarding Iraq is very different than the October 2002 NIE. Why is that? Was there pressure from the Bush WH to change the "evidence" regarding Iraq's WMD as some on the Senate intelligence have suggested and other CIA officials? And why did Bush and the rest of his administration go above and beyond what was in any NIE regarding Saddam's WMD...i.e., massive stockpiles, 45 minutes, mushroom cloud, UEVs, saddam/911/al Qaeda connection, Saddam will give terrorist his weapons, etc... I would say that all this to me means Bush had other reasons to go to war besides "good intentions." I dont know what Bush's intentions were but I am suspicius indeed.

What is so wrong with saying the above, bringing in supporting evidence to back up what I am saying. So if any media whore/repub say that I am off the wall they have the facts that I brought out to deal with.

[bacchant]

22. They count on ABB to keep us in their pocket while they pander to

the confused middle. It was difficult to watch this Obama fellow betray his true feelings for DNC love-fest unity.

[Kanary]

24. I"ve heard so much about Obama, but never saw him

so I was looking forward to seeing him on MTP.

I was so disappointed in that comment, and a couple of others. It just added to my sense of discouragement that we are spinning...... spinning our wheels working so hard at spinning a message.

Obama speaks as someone who comes from the ordinary folk, and still resides with ordinary folk, so he SHOULD be able to recognize that what ordinary folk most want is to be represented by forthcoming, honest LEADERS who not only speak to what is true, but know how to lead people to understand what it means, and what needs to be done.

This has been said so many times........ in this rush to court the Independents, they are treating them like imbecils who are completely dense, and that does NOTHING to win votes.

It's all discouraging beyond belief.

But..... Obama is a good man........he's sincere

Kanary

[davsand]

25. If you are buried in your high moral ground are you still dead?

Rant Warning!!! Stop now if your ears are sensitive...



Let's ALL take aim on our feet now--or better yet--let's form that circular firing squad that we Dems are SO well known for. Sure as hell, we get a halfway intelligent candidate capable of running a race to win--and we line up to kill the guy off before he EVER gets the chance to win.

Obama is a VERY smart man, and his credentials as a liberal are established WAY beyond what can be seen in a 12 minute interview with Russert or any other media whore.

To be honest, I listened to the MTP clip (11 minutes worth) online, and I didn't hear word ONE about Bush being a man of good intentions. Did they leave that juicy tidbit out? Did MTP find that one bit so unimportant that they played the REST of Obama's appearance and left that section out?

Is it possible that they saw it for what it was-- the high road?

Sorry, I can't muster much anger at a guy who wants to win a damn Senate race and plays it smart on national TV. Seems to me we'd be a lot happier with him in office than any GOPiglet, and THAT is all that counts. I'm VERY tired of moral victories and Dems that stick to the mantra that leave me with pigs like shrub in office after the election is over.

Obama DARED to deviate from the mantra in the interest of trying to broaden his appeal (or at least not shut down the moderate swing votes before the convention is even over) and now I see an exodus away from him...

We eat our young in the Dem party, I swear we do...

Laura

[dennis4868]

26. Yes....

I heard Obama say on Meet the Whores that Bush went to war with good intentions for the country....yaaaaackkk!

[Flubadubya]

28. "Sincere but misguided"...

That was what he actually said... not "good intentions", I don't believe. Nonetheless, short of committing political suicide by falling into one of these RWing pundit's traps, I would certainly expect Obama and any other conscientious Democrat to stand up and be far more forthcoming and REAL than what I heard come from his mouth this morning.

I know it is difficult for a Democratic candidate to be terribly candid in this political atmosphere, but it sure would be a refreshing and reassuring thing if more would do so.

The day that a Dem leader steps up to the plate and calls out these Rethugs (and their pundit stoolies), makes some genuine comments that reflect their minds and hearts rather than their fear of losing political capital, then... and only then, will I stop criticizing them. As far as I'm concnerned they deserve the criticism if they can only play the toadie game with the Rethugs.

[LandOLincoln]

42. Way to go, Laura!! You said it so much better and so much more....

diplomatically?...than I ever could.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

[dennis4868]

27. HE DID IT AGAIN.....

On wolf blitzer's show this afernoon Obama said that BUSH DID NOT LIE ABOUT WMD.....when will it end. How many soldiers and innocent iraqis have to die before the dem party puts aside politics and speaks the truth to the people?

[Flubadubya]

31. Yep, you're absolutely right...

Obama obsolved Bush of any lies about Iraq. This is just another example of how deserving of criticism these Dem "leaders" are. It's not a matter of the Democratic base "eating their young"... it's rather a matter of holding them accountable to REAL Democratic principles and not being toadies to the right!~ That's not too much to ask IMHO.

[joanne]

32. This sucks!

Big time. :cry:

What do you want to bet that even if the Dems take back the White House and Congress, that NOTHING WILL BE DONE TO BRING THESE CRIMINALS TO JUSTICE? :cry:

[markses]

29. But Brutus says he was ambitious, and Brutus is an honorable man

n/t

[Orangepeel]

44. excellent point. it seems to be lost in the lynch mob

.

[JohnKleeb]

30. its called playing politics

Thats why Clinton was so nice to Bush in the Rolling Stone interview. I dont like it but its the way things are.

[joanne]

33. He sounds just like Daschle

Daschle at least is from a conservative state. Obama is from the state that Kerry has locked up. As far as I know the Repukes still cant find a candidate to challenge him for the Senate seat. So that one is a slam dunk.

My point is... if Obama wouldnt be honest and call the Bush cartel on their lies... who is going to?

[JohnKleeb]

34. I agree and I told ya I dont like it

[joanne]

36. I dont either John

This is very, very disheartening. Makes me mad too. :mad:

[KG]

37. Obama is just being a 'Sensible Liberal"

and really, who can blame him? :eyes:

[maggrwaggr]

40. EGG-FRIKKIN-ZAKTLY!!

[carpe diem]

43. in a sense...

...Obama, by being featured so prominently by the party, is PART of the national ticket. If he falls for pundit bait and makes what the SCLM will spin as a gaffe, they will try to taint Kerry/Edwards with it and the last thing Obama wants is for Kerry/Edwards to have to answer questions about why they gave such a prominent role to this "left wing extremist" who's been calling the President a liar on the morning talk shows. He's trying to help the party nationally, his role now is bigger than just winning in his own back yard and if he's not carefull w/these cutthroats in the national press, he won't win in his own back yard either. We don't need another Democratic martyr to cling to and worship with fond memories of what might have been. We need live bodies IN the Senate.

[maggrwaggr]

35. well that does it for me. FUCK OBAMA

May he rot in hell with Daeschle, Bayh, Hillary, and the rest of the pricks.

[Kanary]

38. Of all years, this should be the one that the Dems in the trenches

should be feeling good, riding high, and have confidence in the future.

Yet, most of us are discouraged because we're continually sold out.

What a wonderful party.

Kanary

[maggrwaggr]

41. here is the e-mail for him/his campaign

[e-mail]

Tell him he just blew it.

I'd almost rather vote for a repuke than vote for a spinless traitor democrat

[carpe diem]

45. when i see posts like this...

...i can just see Karl Rove and Ed Gillespie grinning and rubbing their hands together gleefully with great satisfaction and accomplshment. It makes their jobs so much easier when we do this to our own. It makes me wonder if there are freepers here among us stirring up dissent.

[Susang]

46. You get the prize for most insightful post

I live in Illinois and I will continue to support Barack Obama.

[in_cog_ni_to]

48. EGG-FRIKKIN-ZAKTLY!!

Where's all the screaming and ranting over the 2 VOTES FOR THE IWR????? BOTH Kerry and Edwards voted for it! Hello!!!!! Barak MUST win this race! We MUST take back the Senate or you can kiss a constructive Kerry/Edwards administration GOOD BYE! STOP THIS SHIT! Barak Obama is a G-D Damn DEMOCRAT!!!! Would you rather have a Republican instead? This shit is RIDICULOUS! :grr:

[Flubadubya]

49. Damnit... can't our leaders be forthright?!

I think Karl Rove and Ed Gillespie grin and rub their hands together when they hear discourses like Obama was involved in today. I can hear them gleefully congratulating one another on just how "cowed and groveling we've got those Dems. They're really backed into a corner now, aren't they? They've really fallen into our trap. We are the masters of intimidation. See, we don't even have to lift a finger to convince the American people there's no difference in the parties... and of course you know what that means... Hah, hah, hah... they'll vote for our boy for sure!" That's more likely the dialog between those two knaves.

No I don't think these kinds of posts where disenfranchised Democrats (who really represent the party's base) speak their minds about how their weak-kneed representatives have sold us out are what are thrilling Rove and Gillespie... it's rather the way they have our Dem leaders over the proverbial barrel. They love to hear the kind of stuff Obama said today.

[chimpymustgo]

47. Jeezuz - what has gotten into you people?

OBama can't say the things we throw around on an Internet message board!

So he didn't say BUSH LIED.

Yeah, you're right. String him up!

Get a freaking grip. We are about to win this thing.

[in_cog_ni_to]

50. They OBVIOUSLY would much rather have a republican

instead of someone like Obama! :grr:

[maggrwaggr]

55. Bush lied. What's so hard about that?

If Bush fucked a ten year old boy up the ass with a hammer, somehow everybody would try to spin it.

Including these so-called Democrats.

I, and I seem to speak for a lot of others, am sick to death of this shit.

Call a spade a spade. How much more obvious can it be that Bushco is a bunch of white-collar gangsters?

"Hmm, that guy with the gun over there in the bank. He's not robbing the bank. He's simply making a deposit. He's misguided about our policy of "no guns in banks". I'm sure he means well."

Fuck that

[Walt Starr]

51. I was one of the first on these boards to sing the praises of Obama

I am now deeply disappointed.

Deeply disappointed.

November 3rd can't get here soon enough.

[chimpymustgo]

52. GET OVER IT.

This reactionary "high dudgeon" is damn-near laughable.

Okay, get in a circle. Ready. Aim. Get over it.

[Flubadubya]

53. I'll get over it...

when we get some REAL, principled leadership by Dems who have spine and can take on the right head on, rather than walk on eggshells in fear of their political lives... by God, that's when I'll get over it!

[maggrwaggr]

54. Right on. Dems keep letting Repugs set the terms of the argument

over and over and over and over ......

I'm sick of this shit.

Do you see Michael Moore or Jon Stewart doing that?

Nooooooooo.

[Uzybone]

56. Are Moore and Stewart running for office?

No. So its silly to compare the comments of non politicos to that of someone who MUST win the votes of middle America if he is to win. This board is almost totally hysterical now.

[maggrwaggr]

62. I'm "hysterical" because I expect my "leaders" to tell the truth?

Good God.

America deserves what it gets with attitudes like this.

The strongest will win. The strongest will be them.

We are pussies.

[LandOLincoln]

57. Last time I checked, Michael Moore and Jon Stewart

WEREN'T RUNNING FOR OFFICE.

Capiche?

Didn't think so...

God help us all.

[maggrwaggr]

63. Yes, with pussies like this for our leaders, "God Help Us All"

I'm glad we agree we need God's help.

We ain't getting it from the Democratic party these days

[lottie244]

59. Obama is saying what most other Dems had said. You people here

would flame him if called Bush a jerk or if called Bush a Satan. Get over it! He mama is white and his daddy is African. Get beyond that and see the man!

[maggrwaggr]

64. now you're accusing us of being racist?

nice.

:eyes:

[NWHarkness]

61. For god's sake, grow up

You want purity, go live in a friggin' monastery.

We are trying to defeat Bush and elect a Democratic congress. If you don't want to be a part of the effort, because of your fantasies of your own moral perfection, just get the hell out of the way and let those of us who really want to make change in this country get the job done.

[Xenus Sister]

65. Al Gore's going to be the one!

*HE'LL* be the one to spout fire at the convention. The Republicans have already branded him as a loony, and he's not running for any office, so he has nothing to lose. I'll bet he'll say what we've all been thinking.

If he can give another speech like the speeches he has been giving the past year, we're in for a treat. He's been pissed off and not afraid to show it. He's at his best when he's angry and indignant.

Whether it's carried on TV is the question.

I'm also upset that Obama is so eggshelly, but I'll support him no matter what.