Have Kerry and Edwards ever said that Bush LIED about WMD?

[in_cog_ni_to]

Barak Obama is taking a BUNCH of heat for saying Bush didn't lie about WMD. I don't recall Kerry and Edwards ever saying that Bush lied about them. Have they ever said that? If they have, that gives Barak the open to say Bush lied. If they haven't ever said that then I think Barak is being "careful" for the good of the party/candidates/election. So, what say you? Have they ever said...George Bush lied about Iraq having WMD?

[emulatorloo]

1. They said "abused the intelligence" and "mislead"

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/10/politics/campaign/11TEXT.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5070&en=2d8ad129e949c01c&ex=1090900800&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1090781157-Nm2yZ4lJpnMy/jJbrFLZRw

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Q.What if the vote were today?


KERRY: Look, the vote is not today and that's it. I agree completely with Senator Edwards. It's a waste of time. It's not what this is about. We voted the way we voted based on the information in front of us, based on that moment in time. And it was the right vote at that time based on that information. Period. And this president not only abused the intelligence and the information, for which he is responsible, not just Mr. Tenet - not just the vice president, not Secretary Rumsfeld - the president. You know, Harry Truman's sign didn't say, "The buck stops at the Pentagon," or "The buck stops at the intelligence agency," and the fact is that we authorized the president to use force in a responsible way, and I have said for months, you know, I have said it to you, I have said it across the country: this president abused the authority that he was given, by abusing his own promises to the country as to how he would build a coalition and how he would go to war.

Q.Did he mislead you, did he mislead Congress, you, and the American people?




KERRY: Over a period of time, there were a number of misleading statements made by the president. He certainly misled America about nuclear involvement. And he misled America about the types of weapons that were there, and he misled America about how he would go about using the authority he was given. "Going to war as a last resort" means something to me. The president did not go to war as a last resort, period. Moreover it's the responsibility of a president, if you are going to go to war, having said we're going to do all that's necessary, to do all that's necessary. He didn't. Because he had no plan for winning the peace. It is utterly extraordinary the level of miscalculation of this administration, as to what they would find in Iraq and what was going to be necessary. They discarded their own professional military evaluations, from General Shinseki and others, they disrespected professional military careers, turned their backs on their own State Department's plans, and arrogantly believed. . . . And they were wrong. And soldiers lost their lives because they were wrong. And America's paying -billions of dollars because they were wrong, and allies are not with us because they were wrong. I think there is no greater responsibility of the president of the United States.

[in_cog_ni_to]

3. So, neither of them have ever said

Bush lied. Barak has to stand by our candidates. He cannot go out and willy nilly say things that Kerry and Edwards doesn't want him to say. IMCPO....unless we want to spend the next week listening to the RW media shills rant about that bad man Barak Obama who said that Bush LIED about WMD. It would never end and they would MUCH RATHER cover that than our Dem convention. IMCPO.

[salin]

2. Another question... what is the implication if bush "didn't lie"

1. That he and his advisors were too lazy to read the intelligence reports that included many, many caveats to the intell findings.

This would imply that even when the stakes were at the highest... sending loyal americans into war and possibly to their death... they couldn't be bothered to read even short intel reports/summaries.

or

2. That he is so trusting of his advisors that he makes decisions upon their advice (including intel) BUT when their advice turns out to be wrong - he keeps them in office, and keeps relying on their advice regardless of the consequences.

Neither paints W in a good light as being competent as president.