|
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend Bookmark this thread |
This topic is archived. |
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) |
jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 05:15 PM Original message |
Is the choice really 'talk centrist and win or talk progressive and lose'? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Abe Linkman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
1. Too much corporate money in politics is why. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 06:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
22. Yeah! For career Dem pols, it's not about winning or losing, it's about |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 06:22 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. That isnt even remotely true. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 06:45 PM Response to Reply #30 |
40. Not all political offices are elective |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 06:52 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. You paint an unfair and erroneus picture of democrats. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 07:12 PM Response to Reply #44 |
56. I'm glad we've reached at least some common ground. I'm not talking about |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
2. I care more about the walk than the talk. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 05:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Me too, but the talk gets many people here upset |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 05:42 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Nobody cares how you walk unless you win and are in office. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
maggrwaggr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
4. F911 just passed the $100 million mark |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 05:43 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Going to a movie and voting for someone are two different things |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
never cry wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 06:18 PM Response to Reply #4 |
26. A politician must stay above the fray |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
5. Kerry speaks progressive policies using moderate tones. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
8. If You Don't Win... You Can't Govern... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
9. It did, and thats what matters. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Blue Wally (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
10. To some degree......... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
11. I know this is pointless... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 05:56 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. And even if you feel the system must be torn down, |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 06:14 PM Response to Reply #12 |
23. Exactly... n/t |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 05:57 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Don't worry--I've made several long, banal threads on the subject :-) |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 06:13 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Clinton... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
( posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
14. Read Thomas Frank's new book and get back to me |
Add to my Journal | Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 06:05 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Thats funny, I thought Bush ran as a compassionate conservative. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 06:08 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Right--'no nation building, no arrogant foreign policy, lockbox' etc. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 06:09 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. you know what Ive been thinking |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 06:12 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. That's my hope as well |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 06:16 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. well Kerry is more liberal than Clinton by far in my opinion |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 06:18 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. It will depend on the media and public opinion and congress |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
( posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 06:15 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. To some of the public they run centrist, agreed |
Add to my Journal | Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 06:24 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. Right, which disproves your point. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
( posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 06:30 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. It doesn't disprove my point at all |
Add to my Journal | Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 06:37 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Erm, what country were you in during the 2000 election? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
( posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 06:43 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. God told me |
Add to my Journal | Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 06:47 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. no not at all |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
( posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 06:53 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. I understand your point |
Add to my Journal | Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 06:59 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Certainly some districts elect radicals. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 07:01 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Kucinich actually represents a somewhat conservative area |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 07:04 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Indeed, he is definately an exception, but people like him rarely win |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 07:07 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. right |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 06:07 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Can we do that and win, do you think? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 06:11 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. We will never have the luxery of wealth. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
( posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 06:22 PM Response to Reply #16 |
29. I don't know the answer to that, it hasn't been tried recently. |
Add to my Journal | Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
maxanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 06:21 PM Response to Original message |
28. as long as we allow it |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 06:23 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Why do those who shout those values LOSE, then? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 06:26 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. We don't. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 06:29 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Kucinich, Dean and Nader act like right wingers? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 06:57 PM Response to Reply #33 |
46. Thus is one of the biggest misconceptions on DU |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 07:07 PM Response to Reply #46 |
54. I could say the DLC has a hand in this. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 07:11 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. That is a symptom not a cause, sorta. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 09:11 PM Response to Reply #55 |
64. They did it through financial power. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 06:31 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. There is an odd parallel to the movement conservatives |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
maxanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 08:00 PM Response to Reply #31 |
62. I didn't suggest |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 08:03 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. OK, now I understand you |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
( posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 06:39 PM Response to Reply #28 |
38. Walk tall and speak truth to power |
Add to my Journal | Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 06:47 PM Response to Reply #28 |
42. It has been allowed too long |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 07:02 PM Response to Reply #42 |
50. Stop asking politicians to stick thier necks out until |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
thinkingwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
43. neither extreme wants to hear the truth |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
salonghorn70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 07:01 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Agreed |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
thinkingwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 07:26 PM Response to Reply #48 |
57. from your mouth to... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 07:06 PM Response to Reply #43 |
52. and they are centrist to be centrist, not centrist out of ideology |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
thinkingwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 07:28 PM Response to Reply #52 |
58. I disagree |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 07:32 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. well, yes, but the center does move and can be moved |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
thinkingwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 07:36 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. I think |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-04 07:40 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Understood, but what controls what issue is important to them? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
thinkingwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 08:28 AM Response to Reply #61 |
65. I don't think |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
66. People Who Get "Turned Off" By Anger |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 08:54 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Yes, they should take a look at how Howard Dean won the primary. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-04 09:04 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Character Assassination By The Media? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) | Thu Apr 25th 2024, 05:10 AM Response to Original message |
Advertisements [?] |
Top |
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) |
Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators
Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.
Home | Discussion Forums | Journals | Store | Donate
About DU | Contact Us | Privacy Policy
Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.
© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC