Yesterday it was Obama, today's it's Harold Ford !!!

[trumad]

Things that make you go Hmmmmmm....

[Walt Starr]

1. Well, I've never been extermely impressed with Ford

That said, he is a Democrat and I'd rather his seat be in Democratic hands rather than Republican.

[pocket]

2. what did he do?

same kind of pro-war message as Obama?

[madfloridian]

3. He gave Bush a free ride for the war.

I was watching and practically hyperventilating.

Bush lied, call him on it.

[Dookus]

5. what pro-war message did Obama send?

didn't he say he would've voted against the IWR?

[pocket]

28. i forget the wording

it was posted on here many times over the weekend.

words to the effect that * did not decieve the country into going to war.

[JohnKleeb]

29. yes he did dookus

he actually many argue subtlely called Bush a fool. He also called the war idealogically driven. I can see why people may get pissed off by things Ford says but Obama really called Bush sincere and you know sincerity isnt always good, dont know what Ford said, dont care though, I am gonna disagree with the dems on at least one issue and it doesnt bother me as long as they stand for something worhtly overall, they'll have my support.

[RummyTheDummy]

4. Oh boy

It looks like the masses here are starting to turn on Obama.

[Dookus]

6. Yup

Unless a democrat calls Bush a dirty stinking liar who diddles underage goats, they're just Republican shills.

Some people have no clue when it comes to electoral politics.

[unfrigginreal]

7. Spin, spin, spin baby

Unless a democrat calls Bush a good man that just got some bad advice, they're just Republican shills.

My statement on the opposing position is about as accurate as yours, but hey, hyperbole has always been a strong suit of yours.

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[maggrwaggr]

14. some people have no clue when it comes to what matters

Some people want the truth.

Others think we should all suck the GOP cock.

[terrya]

8. Wow, I didn't know. I guess I'd better vote for Mike Ditka in November.

I hadn't realized that Obama is a traitor. My bad.

[Flubadubya]

10. Alright folks...

Now I've had about enough! I know it's close to elections and there has got to be some unity and an understanding of "party politics" in order to "accept" when our Dem leaders "play nice" with the Nazis.

However, to me the advice that many are giving around here is a lot like the old adage that is callously told a rape victim... "You might as well lie back and enjoy it, you can't do anything about it."

Look, if we are going to continue to lower the bar as to what (and even whether) our Dem leaders tell the truth about BushCo, then we (as a party) are in for some very sad times ahead. There will be no progress when all we get is "go along to get along" Dems. The Repubs will continue to gleefully shit all over us.

Someone said yesterday that they could just hear the glee and see the hand-rubbing by Rove and Gillespie over the way we democrats were treating each other on this board. I humbly submitted that their glee was over the way they have cowed and intimidated the Democratic power structure such that they walk in living fear of their political careers.

Look people, this manipulation by the Rethugs and their "advantage taking" ain't about to stop until someone stands up in their faces and yells FOUL real loud!!! ...and that someone is going to have to be the likes of Obama, Ford, and all the other Dems in Congress. We sure don't have any clout.

Sorry, but I'm really tired of hearing "shut up and sit down" when anyone rightfully criticizes Democrats who are soft in the face of the bald-faced gall of the Republicans. I don't think I have ever felt anything more reviling than to hear an otherwise good Democratic representative play "apologia" for the Bush administration. You all know just how nasty they are, and things will NOT get better until they are confronted.

Sorry if you don't like my rant, but GOOD GRIEF Charlie Brown!

[Flubadubya]

12. Interesting...

This place has been rife with opinions on this subject for days. What, none now? :shrug:

[maggrwaggr]

15. I like your rant. I agree with you 100%

[Flubadubya]

17. Thanks maggrwaggr...

I really do feel heartbroken when I think about the extent to which we have played into the hands of the right wing, and the fact that it all started by our "letting" them do this to us. It will not stop until our leaders STOP letting them do it to us.

Maybe that's too black and white a view, but as far as I'm concerned, Republicans (like Nazis) don't get "nuance". Some people have to be hit over the head with a brick.

[maggrwaggr]

19. Yeah, Michael Moore didn't let the Repugs set the terms of his debate

he did it himself.

So many Democrats seem to suffer from "battered wife syndrom" where they think they can't escape from the GOP's arguments, and they CONSTANTLY let the GOP set the terms of the debate.

It's just plain stupid.

It's a sure formula for losing.

People don't admire pussies, they admire warriors and people who actually get out there and lead.

[oasis]

21. Michael Moore is merely making amends for legitimizing Nader in 2000.

I do applaud his recent efforts to dethrone the Chimp.

[Chelsea Patriot]

11. Hmmmmm..... Wasn't Ford at The Moon Coronation?

I believe that Harold Ford was one of the Democratic Participants at the crowning of Moon and his Consort as Messiah, Empress, and Father & Mother of us all.

Has Ford given a reasonable explanation, as if one could exist, for these Un-American activities? Our constitution specifically forbids titles of nobility in this country?

Has any of his constiuents asked him about what went down in that Senate chamber?

I seem to recall a pathetic response from his office about "How Rep. Ford didn't know what the event was about."

"The Coronation of Reverand Moon"--Quelle Ambiguite!

Rep. Danny Davis carried Moon's crown in on a pillow. Was Harold holding up the train of Queen Moon's ermine cape?

At one point, I had respect for Ford.

Not Now!!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

13. Ford's the guy who ran against Pelosi because she's "Too Liberal"

He's DLC through and through.

[SoCalDem]

16. Harold Ford has ALWAYS made me go ...hmmmmm

I think that since money makes the political world go 'round, ALL young-ish politicians MUST be "middle-of-the-road milquetoast in order to woo the moneymen.. Moneymen want the SAME types of people in BOTH parties on their "payroll".. They are not likely to back someone with "radical" ideas :(..

Public finacing and term limits would end all this crap, and allow principled people to run for office..People with IDEAS :(

[Flubadubya]

18. Great thoughts SoCalDem...

thanks for the thoughtful input. Yep, getting the "money" out won't be easy, but it's probably our only hope of salvation.

[oasis]

20. Kerry should dump McCauliffe and Mary Beth Cahill and allow DUers to run

his campaign. :think:

[PhuLoi]

22. Having heard Ford state that he has no problem with

outsourcing, I have been trying to learn more about him. With one notable exception the contributers of DU have been truely helpfull and informative. This is why I come here.

Does anyone know for a fact that he is assocciated with the DLC (pardon me while I spit?)

[oasis]

23. When did you hear him say that? In what context?

:shrug:

[PhuLoi]

26. This morning on C_SPAN.

Ford was giving his speech wherein he said that he had no problem with outsourcing (at that point my head exploded), that he was "business friendly" and that if he were a corporation he would hire the outsource. He made remarks, as I understood them, to the effect that Americans lack the education, job skills to compete on the world market. This is what I came away with. He may be stressing the need for more broadly attainable education for the public at large.

[oasis]

27. I haven't been all that comfortable with Ford in the past. He's still

a little green. In this case he's likely auditioning for a cabinet post.

[Tatiana]

24. Anyone surprised by any comments made by Ford must not know him.

He's a Democrat, yes, but he is CONSERVATIVE. He's very much on the side of big business and is much more conservative than his father was.

[dennis4868]

25. I get very close....

to having a heart attack (seriously) when a repub/media whore say there is no evidence Bush lied and get even closer to a full blown heart attack when a Dem like Obama and Ford give Bush a pass on the war and say that Bush has good intentions and is sincere and that he did not lie about the reasons for war.

But if they cared about the truth they could easily prove that Bush is lying on this issue.....Bush said the following before the war which there is NO, NONE NADDA, evidence to back it up (not mentioned in any National Intelligence Estimate ot supported by any other government agency):

1. Saddam has massive stockpiles of Biological weapons;

2. Mushroom cloud

3. Saddam has Unmanned Aerial vehicles that could carry WMD and deliver it to the USA;

4. Saddam will give his WMD to terrorist groups.

5. Saddam plans to use his WMD against the USA unprovoked;

6. Saddam has a 911/al Qaeda connection

Bush said all of the above lies and now the Dems are saying Bush has good intentions and is sincere...and that he did not lie? If he did not lie, where is the evidence that any of the above statements are true. There is none. Not even the CIA (which also hyped the Saddam threat) said any of this was true. Bush and his thugs said all of the above to scare the people/congress in order to get their war.

Why doesn't the media/dems use this as evidence that Bush and his thugs lied to us. No one ever brings this up. They simply say Bush did not lie and dont show any proof one way or the other.

[MattNC]

30. he was great on FNC earlier

really hammered Shep Smith earlier.