help me refute my sister's friends email!!!

[rene moon]

My sister served in the Army from 1995-1999. She was conservative but has now seen the light. Her friend is very conservative and always tries to shoot my sister down. He is a chickenhawk to say the least. She asked me for help. I bring it here to DU.

here's their email exchange: all his answers are in the parenthesis:




RE: RE: FW: He's Done Even More Damage Than We Thought!

Here we go, My answers in parenthesis.

He's Done Even More Damage Than We Thought!

Just so you know:
I attacked and took over 2 countries. (and Clinton bombed Iraq and Afghanistan remember)

I spent the U.S. surplus and bankrupted the US Treasury. (I want you to think hard about where this money comes from and what is the defecit?
It's fake money, it doesn't REALLY matter. You have to use it within boundaries otherwise inflation will occur, but that hasn't happened to a great extent)

I shattered the record for the biggest annual deficit in history (not easy!). (again, doesn't really matter. That's why the deficit always remains and will never be gone)


I set an economic record for the most personal bankruptcies filed in any
12 month period. (is that his fault? Sounds like people need to manage there finances better)

I set all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the stock market. (all results of Clinton's last year in office, focusing on Monica Lewinsky and not doing his job)


I am the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner. (did he deserve it?)

In my first year in office I set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history (tough to beat my dad's, but I did). (How is vacation defined, did he not work? Lets be honest with this assumption)

After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in US history. (again, mainly from Clinton administration)

I set the record for most campaign fund raising trips by any president in US history. (what's wrong with this? That's part of the game and
politics)

In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their jobs. (again, Clinton, 9/11)

I cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in US history. (because there are too many lazy Americans not working and collecting off the government. They need to have motivation to get a job, less money is motivation)

I set the all-time record for most real estate foreclosures in a 12-month period. (again, sounds like people need to manage finances better, not his fault)

I appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history. (compared to Clinton? I don't think so, lets re-evaluate that)

I set the record for the fewest press conferences of any president, since the advent of TV. (nobody watches them anyway, Clinton had so many so he could lie about Lewinsky)

I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any other US president in history. (doesn't mean they were bad because they were done, what is the point here?)

I presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed. (energy crisis? I wouldn't call it such, and really, that is a state problem that needed to be
addressed)

I cut health care benefits for war veterans. (no good. I agree)

I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. (where did that # come from? There wasn't an organized day for this. What a bunch of democratic hoopla)

I dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history. (dissolved? Come on. Name one, and then tell me why it was
dissolved)

I've made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in US history. (heresay. What's so secretive about it?)

Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (The poorest multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.) (where is the proof here, anyone can write that, lets see the proof democrats)

I am the first president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously struggle against bankruptcy. (and this is his fault, or the people managing the states? They need to figure out there finances and get it fixed.)

I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market in any country in the history of the world. (all of this occurred during the Clinton administration, was found out during bush's. what does that say, Clinton allowed it to happen I guess)

I am the first president in US history to order a US attack AND military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United Nations and the vast majority of the international community. (so what. Had he not done it, Hussein would still be killing his own people and developing WMD. They are there, and some HAVE been found, that I'm sure of)

I have created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States, called the "Bureau of Homeland Security."
(ok, this is absolutely necessary, what is wrong with having this? This is bad? Come on democrats)

I set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any other president in US history (Ronnie was tough to beat, but I did it!!). (remember, the senate approved this as well. The senate has demos in there and they approved as well, so did Kerry might I add)

I am the first president in US history to compel the United Nations remove the US from the Human Rights Commission. (we just spend money three weeks ago for this, what BS)

I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the Elections Monitoring Board. (so what, why do they need to monitor it anyway? This isn't important)

I removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history. (this isn't true either, where is the proof, last I checked checks and balances just can't be 'removed' without approval by senate)

I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant. (they are)

I withdrew from the World Court of Law. (we are the world court of law)

I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoner's of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions. (I can't say I blame him. We need to pressure the terrorist to give us info, that takes
resolve)

I am the first president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors access during the 2002 US elections. (what needs to be inspected at the US cost?)

I am the all-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations. (so what, that's part of the game. Who cares, demos, because they don't have the money to match his marketing)

The biggest lifetime contributor to my campaign, who is also one of my best friends, presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).
(what does this have to do with Bush really? Hillary Clinton let Bin Laden get away in the 80's so she could convict Oliver North)

I spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history. (ok, what's wrong with this, this is a good thing so he gets the puplic perception on things. I agree with this totally, no matter who is president)


I am the first president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied, saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1). (uh, yeah. Would we rather our president put himself in the line of fire and get killed. He skipped around and was constantly updated. He didn't run from the enemy, he did what he has to do as leader of this country)

I am the first US president to establish a secret shadow government.
(I've never heard of this. What is this?)

I took the world's sympathy for the US after 9/11, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history). (so he should have sat down and let everyone feel sorry for us and let the terrorist go on living and planning whatever they do? This is amazing. Who made this list. Kick some ass, nobody screws with the US, nobody)

I am the first US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability. (because they are all running scared, and this is Europe, so what. They joined us remember, oh but France and Germany we are worried about right??? Come on)


I changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts. (senate? Oh wait, they don't have democrats in there either do they, and convicted of what?)

I set the all-time record for the number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling their huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts. (he set the record? He intentionally went out and did this huh. Strange. He must be getting kickbacks. Or a hummer in the oval office)

I have removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US! history. (name one, please, I want to hear this)

I entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down. (Clinton admin focusing on clearing bubba's name, instead of his damn job. Then focusing on how to not be impeached, and reverse it.
Good gracious democrats, bush had been in office for what, 9 months when this all happened. Lets be realistice about whose fault this really is)

RECORDS AND REFERENCES: I have at least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available). I was AWOL from the National Guard and deserted the military during time of war. I refused to take a drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.
(wink,wink) All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my fathers library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. All minutes of meetings of any public corporation for which I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review. (AWOL never proved, because it's bullshit, texas is one of the most cleanes run states in the country, what's to know? How good that state is, without a state tax? Why does this before presidential tenure shit matter? What does that have to do with NOW!!!!!!)

With Love,
GEORGE W. BUSH
The White House,
Washington, DC

[specimenfred1984]

1. He's Brainwashed, Don't Even Try

Even if you refute all his lies with proven truths, he'll just lie again. Brainwashed people use denial to reinforce their false beliefs, so he'll just deny any point you make, true or not.

If "brainwashed" is to harsh a term for you, just consider him in "denial". You won't end his denial with more truths, his denial will have to be removed by his own mind.

He'll have to decide to be open to new ideas before any new ideas get in. Therapists get paid big dollars to do this, why waste your precious time providing someone else with free therapy?

[lastliberalintexas]

5. I agree, so long as

this email exchange is between the 2 of them only. If others are involved, she still needs to respond and hit reply all.

[Sweet Freedom]

2. Try here

I think several of the points are addressed:

http://idontfeelsogood.blogspot.com/2003_08_01_idontfeelsogood_archive.html

[deutsey]

4. Excellent resource

I was going to say that you shouldn't send the resume to a Bush supporter without being prepared to back up everything in it with sources. Well, this link does that and then some.

[jgardner]

3. His scariest response was

"we are the world court of law"!

[seabeyond]

6. i have a question. why can NO repug speak and think for

themselves. why do they always have to send the generic mass email of someone else's words. all the freepers i know, they never express free thought, always the communication is thru others mass email distributions

odd............

i think i would simply shun his words, and ask him about it and tell him, if he wants to talk it, talk, but you arent going to wade thru this spin garbage

[rene moon]

9. that's what i told my sister

But she wants to get back at him because he's always beating his chest for the war, the military, etc. She asked him to join the military but of course, he had a million excuses not to.

He's a tool.

[rainy]

7. I'll tackle two points:

Clinton Bombed areas in two countries he thought housed terrorists. He did not INVADE AND TAKE CONTROL OF A SOVERIEN NATION. He did not start a war with another country to occupy, had no intentions of staying.

Clinton had meetings daily about OBL and Al Queida. He read his daily briefings and listened to knowledgable people.
Bushes people did not want to hear about OBL or Al Queida they only wanted to find a way to attack Iraq. And they created the pretext for war by allowing 911.

[gratuitous]

8. I'll cherry pick the easy one

After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in US history. (again, mainly from Clinton administration).

When your sister's chickenhawk friend goes on guard duty, it's his responsibility to challenge and identify people who approach the area he's guarding. A guard who falls asleep at his station is in no position to blame his predecessor.

[Commendatori]

10. It should have been obvious that this guy is beyond reason

when you got to "we are the world court of law."

I actually somewhat agree with him on the United Nations, an organization whose purposes I support totally but whose practices disgust me. That's pretty much the closest I came to agreeing with the asshole your sister corresponds with.

[jmowreader]

11. His message holds the record...

for the most mentions of Bill Clinton in one piece of writing.

Fuck it, man, it's not worth getting in a lather over. They invented the delete button for a reason.

[Burma Jones]

12. Mine in Brackets, I did about half - a lot of these statements are BS

My sister served in the Army from 1995-1999. She was conservative but has now seen the light. Her friend is very conservative and always tries to shoot my sister down. He is a chickenhawk to say the least. She asked me for help. I bring it here to DU.

here's their email exchange: all his answers are in the parenthesis:




RE: RE: FW: He's Done Even More Damage Than We Thought!

Here we go, My answers in parenthesis.

He's Done Even More Damage Than We Thought!

Just so you know:
I attacked and took over 2 countries. (and Clinton bombed Iraq and Afghanistan remember)

{Clinton also bombed Bosnia, the difference is that under Clinton, we did not lose American Lives, nor did we impose Imperial Fiat upon the vanquished}


I spent the U.S. surplus and bankrupted the US Treasury. (I want you to think hard about where this money comes from and what is the defecit? It's fake money, it doesn't REALLY matter. You have to use it within boundaries otherwise inflation will occur, but that hasn't happened to a great extent)

{It is most certainly NOT fake money, right now, it's a lot of Saudi and Chinese money, that's what I want YOU to think about.}

I shattered the record for the biggest annual deficit in history (not easy!). (again, doesn't really matter. That's why the deficit always remains and will never be gone)

{The deficit WAS gone}


I set an economic record for the most personal bankruptcies filed in any
12 month period. (is that his fault? Sounds like people need to manage there finances better)

{First, learn to spell their. Second, people took risks under Clinton because they had faith in the future. The economy responds to two gut feelings, greed and fear. Greed was winning out over fear because people were confident. Once Bush was in, the confidence waned. The risks that had been taken proved to be bad risks because greed had been replaced with fear.}

I set all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the stock market. (all results of Clinton's last year in office, focusing on Monica Lewinsky and not doing his job)
{The Stock Market is ALL about the FUTURE, so, the plummet had nothing to do with Clinton and everything to do with a lack of confidence in Bush}


I am the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner. (did he deserve it?)
{he was probably sentenced under Clinton, so this is a stupid statement}

In my first year in office I set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history (tough to beat my dad's, but I did). (How is vacation defined, did he not work? Lets be honest with this assumption)
{Vacation is a relative term, some people think that Bush, due to his limited mind, is more or less on vacation all of the time}

After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in US history. (again, mainly from Clinton administration)

{No, the Bush Administration has to take responsibility for arrogantly ignoring the Clinton Administration's directives}

I set the record for most campaign fund raising trips by any president in US history. (what's wrong with this? That's part of the game and politics) {Mr. Right Winger's right on this one, it's the game and that's what we have to live with}

In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their jobs. (again, Clinton, 9/11)
{Again, lack of confidence in the future under Bush}

I cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in US history. (because there are too many lazy Americans not working and collecting off the government. They need to have motivation to get a job, less money is motivation) {have fun at Wal-Mart buddy}

I set the all-time record for most real estate foreclosures in a 12-month period. (again, sounds like people need to manage finances better, not his fault) {I would agree with Mr. Right Wing here too}

I appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history. (compared to Clinton? I don't think so, lets re-evaluate that)

{This is a cold hard fact. Also, there were more Felons in the Reagan Administration than in any other, including Nixon's. Some of these ended up in Bush's Administration}

I set the record for the fewest press conferences of any president, since the advent of TV. (nobody watches them anyway, Clinton had so many so he could lie about Lewinsky)
{Bush is too stupid to have very many press conferences}

I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any other US president in history. (doesn't mean they were bad because they were done, what is the point here?)
{I don't get this statement, you can't amend the Constitution with laws and Exec Orders this is a stupid statement}

I presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed. (energy crisis? I wouldn't call it such, and really, that is a state problem that needed to be addressed)
{another stupid statement, I've lived through '73 and '79, today ain't nothing compared to those disruptions}


I cut health care benefits for war veterans. (no good. I agree)

I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. (where did that # come from? There wasn't an organized day for this. What a bunch of democratic hoopla)

I dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history. (dissolved? Come on. Name one, and then tell me why it was
dissolved)

I've made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in US history. (heresay. What's so secretive about it?)

Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (The poorest multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.) (where is the proof here, anyone can write that, lets see the proof democrats)

I am the first president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously struggle against bankruptcy. (and this is his fault, or the people managing the states? They need to figure out there finances and get it fixed.)

I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market in any country in the history of the world. (all of this occurred during the Clinton administration, was found out during bush's. what does that say, Clinton allowed it to happen I guess)

I am the first president in US history to order a US attack AND military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United Nations and the vast majority of the international community. (so what. Had he not done it, Hussein would still be killing his own people and developing WMD. They are there, and some HAVE been found, that I'm sure of)

I have created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States, called the "Bureau of Homeland Security."
(ok, this is absolutely necessary, what is wrong with having this? This is bad? Come on democrats)

I set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any other president in US history (Ronnie was tough to beat, but I did it!!). (remember, the senate approved this as well. The senate has demos in there and they approved as well, so did Kerry might I add)

I am the first president in US history to compel the United Nations remove the US from the Human Rights Commission. (we just spend money three weeks ago for this, what BS)

I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the Elections Monitoring Board. (so what, why do they need to monitor it anyway? This isn't important)

I removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history. (this isn't true either, where is the proof, last I checked checks and balances just can't be 'removed' without approval by senate)

I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant. (they are)

I withdrew from the World Court of Law. (we are the world court of law)

I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoner's of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions. (I can't say I blame him. We need to pressure the terrorist to give us info, that takes
resolve)

I am the first president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors access during the 2002 US elections. (what needs to be inspected at the US cost?)

I am the all-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations. (so what, that's part of the game. Who cares, demos, because they don't have the money to match his marketing)

The biggest lifetime contributor to my campaign, who is also one of my best friends, presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).
(what does this have to do with Bush really? Hillary Clinton let Bin Laden get away in the 80's so she could convict Oliver North)

I spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history. (ok, what's wrong with this, this is a good thing so he gets the puplic perception on things. I agree with this totally, no matter who is president)


I am the first president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied, saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1). (uh, yeah. Would we rather our president put himself in the line of fire and get killed. He skipped around and was constantly updated. He didn't run from the enemy, he did what he has to do as leader of this country)

I am the first US president to establish a secret shadow government.
(I've never heard of this. What is this?)

I took the world's sympathy for the US after 9/11, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history). (so he should have sat down and let everyone feel sorry for us and let the terrorist go on living and planning whatever they do? This is amazing. Who made this list. Kick some ass, nobody screws with the US, nobody)

I am the first US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability. (because they are all running scared, and this is Europe, so what. They joined us remember, oh but France and Germany we are worried about right??? Come on)


I changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts. (senate? Oh wait, they don't have democrats in there either do they, and convicted of what?)

I set the all-time record for the number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling their huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts. (he set the record? He intentionally went out and did this huh. Strange. He must be getting kickbacks. Or a hummer in the oval office)

I have removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US! history. (name one, please, I want to hear this)

I entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down. (Clinton admin focusing on clearing bubba's name, instead of his damn job. Then focusing on how to not be impeached, and reverse it.
Good gracious democrats, bush had been in office for what, 9 months when this all happened. Lets be realistice about whose fault this really is)

RECORDS AND REFERENCES: I have at least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available). I was AWOL from the National Guard and deserted the military during time of war. I refused to take a drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.
(wink,wink) All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my fathers library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. All minutes of meetings of any public corporation for which I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review. (AWOL never proved, because it's bullshit, texas is one of the most cleanes run states in the country, what's to know? How good that state is, without a state tax? Why does this before presidential tenure shit matter? What does that have to do with NOW!!!!!!)

With Love,
GEORGE W. BUSH
The White House,
Washington, DC

[sangh0]

13. My responses

RE: RE: FW: He's Done Even More Damage Than We Thought!

Here we go, My answers in parenthesis.

He's Done Even More Damage Than We Thought!

Just so you know:
I attacked and took over 2 countries. (and Clinton bombed Iraq and Afghanistan remember)

How many Americans died?

I spent the U.S. surplus and bankrupted the US Treasury. (I want you to think hard about where this money comes from and what is the defecit?

Think long and hard? How many more years do you need, chickenhawk?

It's fake money, it doesn't REALLY matter. You have to use it within boundaries otherwise inflation will occur, but that hasn't happened to a great extent)

Let me guess...Your bank balance is $0?

I shattered the record for the biggest annual deficit in history (not easy!). (again, doesn't really matter. That's why the deficit always remains and will never be gone)

I guess the Clinton years were so painful for him, he forgot about the budget surplus

I set an economic record for the most personal bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period. (is that his fault? Sounds like people need to manage there finances better)

Yes, it's his fault. Who are you blaming, Santa?

I set all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the stock market. (all results of Clinton's last year in office, focusing on Monica Lewinsky and not doing his job)

I though it wasn't real money. Can't you keep your lies straight?

I am the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner. (did he deserve it?)

Yes, Bush* does deserve it.

In my first year in office I set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history (tough to beat my dad's, but I did). (How is vacation defined, did he not work? Lets be honest with this assumption)

How vacation is defined? How Clintonian of you.

After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in US history. (again, mainly from Clinton administration)

Ummm, Bush* was President on 9/11/2001

I set the record for most campaign fund raising trips by any president in US history. (what's wrong with this? That's part of the game and politics)

So then why doesn't Bush* mention it when he campaigns?

In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their jobs. (again, Clinton, 9/11)

Again, under Bush*

I cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in US history. (because there are too many lazy Americans not working and collecting off the government. They need to have motivation to get a job, less money is motivation)

Collecting off the govt? We're not talking about Halliburton.

I set the all-time record for most real estate foreclosures in a 12-month period. (again, sounds like people need to manage finances better, not his fault)

Why do you hate Americans?

I appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history. (compared to Clinton? I don't think so, lets re-evaluate that)

Yep, compared to Clinton. That must make you proud!

I set the record for the fewest press conferences of any president, since the advent of TV. (nobody watches them anyway, Clinton had so many so he could lie about Lewinsky)

Umm, speak for your fellow Repukes. The rest of America is literate.

I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any other US president in history. (doesn't mean they were bad because they were done, what is the point here?)

So amending the Constitution isn't bad?

I presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed. (energy crisis? I wouldn't call it such, and really, that is a state problem that needed to be addressed)

Well, take it up with Bush*. He's the one that called it an energy crisis

I cut health care benefits for war veterans. (no good. I agree)

Just "no good"? Don't you think it's shameless to deny benefits to people who risked their lives for us, or is that just SOP for Repukes?

I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. (where did that # come from? There wasn't an organized day for this. What a bunch of democratic hoopla)

Get him the cite for the protests

I dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history. (dissolved? Come on. Name one, and then tell me why it was
dissolved)

ABM, because Bush* is an ass.

I've made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in US history. (heresay. What's so secretive about it?)

Give him the list of scandals.

Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (The poorest multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.) (where is the proof here, anyone can write that, lets see the proof democrats)

Look it up, Einstein.

I am the first president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously struggle against bankruptcy. (and this is his fault, or the people managing the states? They need to figure out there finances and get it fixed.)

Yes, all 50 states experience a simultaneous deficiency of fiscal mgmt. Figures it happened at a time when most states have Republican governors.

I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market in any country in the history of the world. (all of this occurred during the Clinton administration, was found out during bush's. what does that say, Clinton allowed it to happen I guess)

It happened during Bush*'s admin.

I am the first president in US history to order a US attack AND military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United Nations and the vast majority of the international community. (so what. Had he not done it, Hussein would still be killing his own people and developing WMD. They are there, and some HAVE been found, that I'm sure of)

Still looking for the WMD's.

I have created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States, called the "Bureau of Homeland Security."(ok, this is absolutely necessary, what is wrong with having this? This is bad? Come on democrats)

What happened to "small govt"?

BTW, Bush* flip-flopped on this one. He was against it originally, and then flip-flopped on it.

I set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any other president in US history (Ronnie was tough to beat, but I did it!!). (remember, the senate approved this as well. The senate has demos in there and they approved as well, so did Kerry might I add)

Congress is majority Republican.

I am the first president in US history to compel the United Nations remove the US from the Human Rights Commission. (we just spend money three weeks ago for this, what BS)

WTF are you talking about?

I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the Elections Monitoring Board. (so what, why do they need to monitor it anyway? This isn't important)

Nah, voting in a democracy isn't important to Republicans, just like the budget isn't real money

I removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history. (this isn't true either, where is the proof, last I checked checks and balances just can't be 'removed' without approval by senate)

FMA unconstitutionally prohibits the courts from reviewing federal law on marriage.

I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant. (they are)

I guess that's why Bush* insisted that Iraq abide by the UN Security Council resolutions...because they're irrelevant

I withdrew from the World Court of Law. (we are the world court of law)

LOL!

I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoner's of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions. (I can't say I blame him. We need to pressure the terrorist to give us info, that takes resolve)

So where's the info?

I am the first president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors access during the 2002 US elections. (what needs to be inspected at the US cost?)

Your vote

I am the all-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations. (so what, that's part of the game. Who cares, demos, because they don't have the money to match his marketing)

Marketing? Thanks for admitting Bush* is nothing more than "product"

The biggest lifetime contributor to my campaign, who is also one of my best friends, presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).
(what does this have to do with Bush really? Hillary Clinton let Bin Laden get away in the 80's so she could convict Oliver North)

What does that have to do with Hillary?

I spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history. (ok, what's wrong with this, this is a good thing so he gets the puplic perception on things. I agree with this totally, no matter who is president)

I dunno, but you repukes sure got upset when Clinton did it

I am the first president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied, saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1). (uh, yeah. Would we rather our president put himself in the line of fire and get killed. He skipped around and was constantly updated. He didn't run from the enemy, he did what he has to do as leader of this country)

He's a chickenhawk, and he lied about. That's OK with Republicans.

I am the first US president to establish a secret shadow government.
(I've never heard of this. What is this?)

Try reading

I took the world's sympathy for the US after 9/11, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history). (so he should have sat down and let everyone feel sorry for us and let the terrorist go on living and planning whatever they do? This is amazing. Who made this list. Kick some ass, nobody screws with the US, nobody)

So where's Osama then?

I am the first US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability. (because they are all running scared, and this is Europe, so what. They joined us remember, oh but France and Germany we are worried about right??? Come on)

And now Bush* is begging them for their help.

I changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts. (senate? Oh wait, they don't have democrats in there either do they, and convicted of what?)

Bush* signed it. If you dont like it, then why did Bush* sign it? Why did the Senate (with a majority being Republicans) pass it?

I set the all-time record for the number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling their huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts. (he set the record? He intentionally went out and did this huh. Strange. He must be getting kickbacks. Or a hummer in the oval office)

Yes, he set the record. Aren't you proud?

I have removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US! history. (name one, please, I want to hear this)

"You better watch what you say"

I entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down. (Clinton admin focusing on clearing bubba's name, instead of his damn job. Then focusing on how to not be impeached, and reverse it.

The ABC's of Repiblicanism - Always Blame Clinton (and maybe they'll forget that you didn't defend Bush*. Maybe it's because you can't)

Good gracious democrats, bush had been in office for what, 9 months when this all happened. Lets be realistice about whose fault this really is)

We are. It's Bush*'s fault.

RECORDS AND REFERENCES: I have at least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).

It was Maine, Einstein. Not Texas

I was AWOL from the National Guard and deserted the military during time of war. I refused to take a drug test or even answer any questions about drug use. (wink,wink) All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my fathers library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. All minutes of meetings of any public corporation for which I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review. (AWOL never proved, because it's bullshit, texas is one of the most cleanes run states in the country, what's to know? How good that state is, without a state tax? Why does this before presidential tenure shit matter? What does that have to do with NOW!!!!!!)

His service has never been proved.

[Zorra]

14. Wow, whoever wrote that email is really just plain stupid and uninformed

"heresay"? "realistice"? Bwaaaahaaaahaaaahaaaaa.

Why would anyone pay attention to an idiot that writes and sends out a bulk email in which he does not even have the brains to check the spelling on?

And does not apparently understand the English language well? The word is "hearsay". Maybe he meant "heresy". No, that is too complex of a concept for whoever wrote that email.

Point this out to your sister: Why should she pay attention to the opinions of someone that is obviously not too bright?

Besides this, these are almost all non-factual rhetorical arguments, and they are outright silly in their content.

[BloodyWilliam]

15. Completely lost cause.

And coming from me, that's saying something.

[abburdlen]

16. what has he been smoking?

"Hillary Clinton let Bin Laden get away in the 80's so she could convict Oliver North"