Huge LIE on CNN: "Ken Lay spent 13 nights in Clinton's Lincoln Bedroom"

[Proud2BAmurkin]

Brent Bozell of Media Research Center just said Ken Lay spent 13 nights in the Lincoln Bedroom when Clinton was in office.

Ken Lay never spent the night in the Lincoln Bedroom when CLINTON was in office but he spent the night in the Lincoln Bedroom when BUSH was in office.

[dennis4868]

1. can you back up your point?

how do you know for sure that Lay never spent the night in the WH while Clinton was in office...

[Proud2BAmurkin]

3. Here you go

http://www.dailyhowler.com/h022502_1.shtml

The Tribune had run this same claim one day earlier. "Lay was no stranger to the Clinton White House," Stephen Hedges wrote, "playing golf with the president and staying overnight in the Lincoln Bedroom." This claim was, of course, Spin Magic. It tied an emerging GOP bogey-man, Lay, to an iconic Clinton "scandal," the Lincoln Bedroom. In the weeks that followed, the claim that Clinton hosted Lay in the Lincoln Bedroom was reported in an array of newspapers, and on a string of TV shows. It was being used as the perfect squelch to Democratic charges about Enron and Bush.

As you probably know, this charge was simply false. Ken Lay did not spend a night in the Lincoln Bedroom during the Clinton years.

[Mistress Quickly]

10. found it disproved on Snopes

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/enron.htm

[dennis4868]

25. Thanks

:-)

[rsdsharp]

20. Because the thugs made such a point of the Lincoln Bedroom

the Clinton White House released the names of overnight guests at the White House and Camp David. Lay isn't on the list, at least as of September 2000.

http://edition.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/09/22/guest.list/

Bozell is a damned liar, and if CNN didn't publically call him on it, they are enabling the lie.

[NewJeffCT]

37. and nobody died from them staying in the Lincoln bedroom

If you gave money to Bush, you got to drive submarines & kill Japanese sailors...

oops, we were suppose to have forgotten that.

And, I think Bush has had a pretty long list of RW celebrities and donors in the White House as well...

[trumad]

40. Has it been backed up enough for you?

[LittleApple81]

2. How do you know this is a lie? With repugs you have to have WRITTEN

PROOF!!

[Proud2BAmurkin]

4. Here's proof.

http://www.dailyhowler.com/h022502_1.shtml

[Mistress Quickly]

6. Besides liberal sources

anything else? I have friends who, sigh, want more than one, and shockingly, preferably a mainstream one.

[bossfish]

9. How do you show PROOF of something that didn't happen?

Make your opponent show proof that it DID.

Quit being such a wuss.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

11. More proof

http://www.spinsanity.org/post.html?2002_02_17_archive.html

[Mistress Quickly]

17. Snopes

see my post #10.

[Trajan]

39. The Snopes source ...

Provides a list of citations at the end of the story ... THOSE are the other 'sources' from which the claim is debunked ...

IF your friend cannot accept these numerous citations as reasonable evidence, then your friend can never be convinced that the lies he clings to are nothing more than a pacifier in his mouth from which he refuses to ween ...

Fuck him ...

[Mistress Quickly]

44. um, I didn't start the

thread, and I used "friends" as a hypothetical (for lack of a better word at the moment), because if I hear this from someone, and want to rebuke the repukes, I need other sources. I found the snopes sources, k?

K?

[trumad]

41. LOL

A mainstream just lied to you but yet you want a mainstream to prove it to you... Ahhh the irony..,.

[Mistress Quickly]

45. Apparently a few people on this thread

mistook me for starting this thread.

I went a found proof for myself (for others) on Snopes, and then posted it.

Sheesh, noone lied to me.

Enough already.

[LittleApple81]

8. THANKS. n/t

[rinsd]

19. That does a good job laying out the mechanics of the spin machine....

Wasn't a guest list of Clinton's published during the so called fundraising scandal. Wouldn't that be a better source?

Update: As I was writing I googled this and came up with SpinSanity's articles on it.

http://www.spinsanity.org/post.html?2002_02_24_archive.html#10250815

http://www.spinsanity.org/post.html?2002_02_17_archive.html#9990346

[never_get_over_it]

46. Here

http://www.salon.com/politics/col/spinsanity/2002/02/21/lincoln/index.html

[asjr]

5. Ken Lay moved in with Shrub.

[lancdem]

7. Clinton played golf once with Clinton

and that was about it.

[bossfish]

12. in a large charity tournament...

[rsdsharp]

26. Actually he played golf AGIANST Clinton

in a Republican vs. Democrat tournament. Clinton's partner was Jack Nicholson. Lay was in the foursome, paired with someone else, whose name escapes me.

[Tempest]

33. Gerald Ford

That was Lay's partner.

[newyawker99]

38. Hi rsdsharp!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[w13rd0]

27. A Republican vs Democrat charity...

...actually. Another bullshit lie told by the corpowhore traitor media.

[papau]

14. True - and the Wash Post did a day by day review of Lincoln Bedroom

but hey these folks can lie and then ask you to prove they lied.

What ever happen to the accuser proving they were correct?

[Fleshdancer]

35. I thought Clinton always played golf with Clinton

;)

I think you meant "Clinton played golf once with Lay"

[ClassWarrior]

13. Time to call again...

For use this week -- CNN's viewer-comment line, 404-827-0234. Thanks to DeepModem Mom...

[LTR]

15. More proof

http://www.spinsanity.org/post.html?2002_02_24_archive.html#10250815

http://www.spinsanity.org/post.html?2002_02_17_archive.html#9990346

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ICQ/is_2002_March_4/ai_83530836

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Q6CIXB1h8tsJ:www.captimes.com/opinion/column/zweifel/22119.php+ken+lay+bill+clinton+lincoln+bedroom&hl=en

http://www.politicalstrategy.org/ammo/ammoclinton_bill.htm

A whole Google search:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=ken+lay+bill+clinton+lincoln+bedroom

[Proud2BAmurkin]

16. Viewer Line: 404-827-0234

might as well put it on speed dial.

[electricmonk]

18. Full list

The Lincoln Bedroom Guest List

No Kenny Boy here.

[Walt Starr]

23. don't you love it when CNN's own documentation on a subject

can be used to dispute the bullshit they are spewing?

[electricmonk]

30. They'll add it later

Once they notice they'll go back and edit the page to put him in.

[Mistress Quickly]

31. ha ha ha

I was just clicking back and forth because I noticed that.

Tools they are, all of them.

[redqueen]

21. Who was the CNN host?

Would like to mention which of their whores isn't doing their job THIS time.

:puke:

[Proud2BAmurkin]

28. Miles O'Brien

He just went on to the next question.
Just called and informed the viewer line person about the facts and suggested it be passed to O'brien to correct on his broadcast since he's still on.

[havocmom]

22. Those of us ready to write/call CNN on this

here is a resource:
http://www.dailyhowler.com/h022502_1.shtml

<snip> Where does spin come from? Starting with a January 13 piece in the Chicago Tribune, a potent new spin-point began making its way through your hapless press corps. Was the Enron mess a Republican scandal? Utter nonsense, this new spin-point said. But here, we’ll let Fred Barnes recite it. He spoke on Special Report...

<snip> ...The Tribune had run this same claim one day earlier. "Lay was no stranger to the Clinton White House," Stephen Hedges wrote, "playing golf with the president and staying overnight in the Lincoln Bedroom." This claim was, of course, Spin Magic. It tied an emerging GOP bogey-man, Lay, to an iconic Clinton "scandal," the Lincoln Bedroom. In the weeks that followed, the claim that Clinton hosted Lay in the Lincoln Bedroom was reported in an array of newspapers, and on a string of TV shows. It was being used as the perfect squelch to Democratic charges about Enron and Bush.

<snip> As you probably know, this charge was simply false. Ken Lay did not spend a night in the Lincoln Bedroom during the Clinton years. Gene Lyons first noted this fact in the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette on February 13, and the Spinsanity gang furthered the reporting last Thursday in Salon. But where do potent spin-points like this come from? Spinsanity’s Brendan Nyhan missed one clue when he tracked the GOP’s new prize tale.

More ammunition here:
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ICQ/is_2002_March_4/ai_83530836
and here:
http://groups.msn.com/RushversusReality/rvrjulyb.msnw

Oh, cut out the middleman and go here:
Google It!

Get those nasty-grams to CNN going. Have fun. It is time we nail them on every single inaccuracy or out right lie they broadcast. Eventyually they will gt it right :evilgrin:

[JHB]

29. Ask them why Brent Bozo is allowed on as an "expert"

...when he insists on disseminating long-debunked lies as if they were fact.

[oasis]

43. Brent Bozo media research........lyin' bastard

[tjwash]

32. They don't care if they are wrong.

As a matter of fact they know straight up it is an out and out lie. That's an old spin doctor trick; scream a lie over and over during prime-time, and then do a thirty second retraction two weeks later at 3am "regretting the error".

We are wasting our time by writing CNN to let them know about their factual errors. The letters are better off sent to CBS, NBC, ABC, the New York times, the LA times, etc...

[redqueen]

24. Keep calling!

Would help to know which host screwed up this time...

[The Doctor.]

34. one more link

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1997/02/25/clinton.money/list.html

[peacetalksforall]

36. Right wing propagandists are also manure spreaders...that is part of

the operation - plant the lie and the brown stuff makes lies and they grow like crazy with the ignorant types who listen to Pat Robertson and CPN - Corporate Propagand Networks = CNN Time Warner, NBC General Electric and Fox Murdoch.

[Democat]

42. Which host - on which show?

Without that info, it's hard to convince them of anything.