Anyone else think Moore blew it?

[MattNC]

He could've - oh, you know - memorized at least a few facts before going on O'Reilly. He looked silly with his non-stop insistance on the President lying and backing it up with very little facts when O'Reilly pressed him on it.

[thebigidea]

1. as opposed to O'Reilly and his non-stop insistance with very little facts?

[K-W]

2. Lets keep holding liberals to terribly high standards.

Thats a great idea.

We are disappointed when liberals do anything short of perfection.

He got on The Factor, he spread his favorite memes. He did a fine job. Leave the man alone.

[MattNC]

12. it's not a terribly high standard

O'Reilly left himself open to be discredited and Moore blew it. He looked totally unprepared when he shouldn't have been. The lies told by the Administration can be easily proven with just a little research that Moore obviously didn't feel compelled to do (or couldn't remember) for the interview.

[K-W]

20. I think you are armchair quarterbacking a bit.

Maybe you could have done better. Maybe you dont like Moores choices, but honestly, you cant get on that show, and he did, and he did it unedited. He deserves credit for that, it wasnt an accident. He got on, he spread his message, maybe not the most effective message, but a positive one just the same.

People with well reasoned arguments and factual support get steamrolled by O'Reilly.

[salinen]

3. I like him

but he represents the uninitiated. Which is needed.

[glaeken777]

4. yes...

I was disappointed. Moore can be very persuasive, as anyone who's seen him confront people on The Awful Truth show can attest.

He made emotional appeals... which, while they have their rightful place and O'Reilly dodged them cowardly... he didn't make a strong factual argument. He's certainly capable... but it came off like he was very unprepared.

[RandomKoolzip]

5. O'Reilly totally fuckin' rocked.

Really handed that LIEbrul's as to him, dinnie? Yah.

Dude, O'Reilly may have facts, but they're not true facts.

And it doesn't matter anyway: F9/11 did all the explaining that MM needs to do.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

6. I read the transcript

and thought MM did just fine.

[Djinn]

7. I agree

I think Moore was pretty lame, he was better than O'Reilly but how hard would that be, I've gotta say I'm not as big a fan of Moore's as I used to be, still admire him and think he reaches an audience of peope who maybe normally don't get into politics much but I think the interview with O'Reilly was a wasted opportunity

[K-W]

10. You underestimate O'Reilly

He is hard to get the best of.

[Djinn]

28. no I don't

the only reason he's "hard to get the best of" is the limited abilities of those he allows on his show, not saying they're not intelligent just not really savvy with the tricks used by ignorant media blowhards to forward their agenda, Moore knows the PR game backwards. He could have done better, just my POV

[charlie105]

8. Are you kiddin' me. As a regular O'Reilly Factor watcher (yes,

I have a thing for torture!), I can tell you that I've never seen Mr. O so uncomfortable and uneasy. He's always so smug and confident because he has the editing scissors in his hands. This was unedited and it shows.

That bit about admitting to the parents that their kids died for a mistake, that was priceless.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

11. one other person has done it to bill

phil donahue totally slayed him once

and barney frank came close once

[riverwalker]

26. where is Phil Donahue?

I miss him.

[TrustingDog]

9. silly Presidents lieing....

but pick on the chubby boy...
push off.

[NightOwwl]

13. No.

Forcing O'Lielly to admit he would not sacrifice his child for Fallujah (by refusing to answering Moore's repeated question) was brilliant.

ETA: Why should he roll over for O'Reilly. The Resident did lie, why should Moore back down?

[camby]

14. He didn't quite blow it

but he wasn't as well prepared as I wish he'd been. Wouldn't matter though. O'Reilly's "facts" are usually not the truth anyway.

[lovuian]

15. I thought Moore was fabulous and Oriley was just putting out

Smoke and the same lies the Bush Regime used but it didn't float

Even Oriley is seeing it doesn't float

[bagnana]

16. he was awesome!

Read the transcript. O'Reilly was trapped -- he wouldn't send his kid to die but, as Moore points out, that is what Bush is doing? And for what? A MISTAKE!

[Killarney]

17. I think Moore could have done better.

I was disappointed.

There was SO much he could have hit O'Reilly with.

[maggrwaggr]

18. uh, you guys --- they EDIT his show

Since they edit iit, what the F did you expect?

[Feanorcurufinwe]

19. It's silly to insist that Moore 'prove' Bush lied when everyone knows

that he did, including those like OReilly who are strenuously insisting he didn't. As he put it, maybe a seven year old could get away with that...


By not saying it was worth the life of his own child, OReilly basically conceded Moore's point - it's not worth it.

[Snoggera]

21. no. n/t

[riverwalker]

22. he let O'Reilly say things like

"Saddam supported terrorists on a daily basis" WTF? How? What? Proof please?

[Nomad559]

23. Michael Moore VS Bill O'Reilly - Video

Michael Moore VS Bill O'Reilly

[Downtown Hound]

24. Remember this is eight minutes we're talking about

It's difficult to really get into a debate in that amount of time, which is the real problem with shows like O'Reilly's. Moore decided to concentrate on what really mattered, and that was the fact that children are dying, for a "mistake" as O'Reilly puts it. That's what he really hammered home with O'Reilly, and I thought it made him very uncomfortable. That's a much more important point to make than who said this where and who said that there. Moore concentrated on the big issue, and I thought he did fine.

[AG78]

25. He could've done better

When O'Reilly brings up the CIA, MI6, and Russian Intelligence telling Bush about WMB, you need to bring up the little group brought together by Douglas Feith that was a step above the CIA. Or that the British government is basically our lapdog. Or how Putin, the former KGB agent turned President, locks people in prison or has people killed that don't agree with him.

Or when someone brings up our great friend Musharef. You know, the military dictator who took over in a coup, and pardoned the nuclear scientist who was actually selling nuclear technology around the world for 15 years.

But I guess that's ok, because as with a lot of American geopolitical history, we'll support whoever we want when we need to. Then go to war with those same individuals years later.

Or talk about how years before 9/11, the people in today's government wanted to get into Iraq, one way or another. Someone may call that conspiracy theory, but it's written down, and anyone can go read it. It's not some crazy internet conspiracy. It's from the minds of a Washington think tank. Which is far more frightening.

He could've done better. However, he did do a good job talking about O'Reilly's kid going off to Iraq.

[Poiuyt]

29. Exactly. I kept waiting for him to mention the OSP

I'm surprised that doesn't get mentioned by hardly anybody

[NightOwwl]

30. Like Downtown Hound said

he had a limited amount of time and got his point across, that this war is not worth the price we are paying.

For God's sake, everyone knows how pointless it is to try to argue with Bill, he'll just shout you down and tell you to shut up.

[XanaDUer]

27. I did not see Moore (I have Faux blocked)

but if I have learned one thing about dealing with RW whackjobs, it is this: one must be fully prepared, briefed, and ready to rock with the facts in their full historical perspective when dealing with them, since, to quote the Joe Pesci character from "Casino", with them you are dealing with "degenerate animals".

Not fair that we have to hold libs and progressives to higher standards, but I have learned that that is the best way to fight them.

However, O'Reilly is a lying idiot who gets hysterical if anyone dares questions him or says anything he does not like, so I would tend to put Moore of the blame on him.

[XanaDUer]

31. OK, I just watched them on the link...

Moore was not stunningly great, and let some apprehension show in his eyes when Bill did his Bill thing. Not good.

Could have been better, could have been worse.

Bill was his usual schmucky self.

[Zorra]

32. I think Moore kicked O'Reilly's ass. "Would you sacrifice your child?"

O'Reilly would not answer.

And that is where the good hard ass kicking lies.

That was the first time I ever saw O'Reilly in my life, I saw the interview on the video that Nomad posted. (Thanks, Nomad)

Wow, I see now why everybody thinks O'Reilly is a huge POS. He's a really good liar, one of the best I've ever seen, very practiced. But I could tell he was lying when Moore asked him if he would sacrifice his children in Iraq. He said he would sacrifice himself. His body language told a different story.

O'Reilly would not sacrifice his children in Bu$h's war. Otherwise he would have said yes, he would. So O'Reilly still supports the war, and thinks it is ok for other peoples kids to die in the war, as long as his don't.

So Michael Moore called him out and O'Reilly proved himself to be a hypocrite.

And it's on video.

O'Reilly lost his composure and was clearly disturbed at the end of the interview, and when he gave his Pox News propaganda spin at the end, he was practically drooling from having to retain composure.