Faux News is being very Careful

[DrWho]

Faux News is being very careful how they are presenting the news right now.

I am not really sure why they are being so 'center' and not acting in their typical 'we hate liberals' fasion, but they are acting very centristic and down right normal.

Mind you, Hannity is as brash as ever, but most other commentators have toned done the hate the past couple of days. Even O'Lielly.

Was a taling point issued in regards to this??

Has anyone noticed this??

[BlueEyedSon]

1. Maybe they realize when the dems take power we'll SHUT THEM DOWN

[calico1]

12. They probably just want to get good

ratings during the Convention.

[bo44]

28. Don't want to appear psycho when the out of town relatives show up

Put on a good face, do not do anything that will wake up the brain deads.

[rocktivity]

23. Ding Ding Ding! BlueEyedSon, you're our grand prize winner!

Maybe they realize when the dems take power we'll SHUT THEM DOWN.

And the best part is, all President Kerry would have do is INSINUATE that he'd shut them down, because he would also have the power to break them up!

"You know, these aren't your father public airwaves anymore. Just as we rethought the rules of paying overtime, maybe it's time to update the way the media operates what with the ascendancy of cable, the internet, and conglomeration. I mean, IS it a good a idea for a TV network to be owned by a defense contractor or an oil company? ARE the cable networks charging too much? SHOULD it be easier for people to file complaints? Is it possible to own TOO many radio stations? And what about music downloading? Hmmm, I think I ought to ask my FCC chairman Howard Dean to put together a task force and do a study, complete with public input and public hearings--they ARE the public airwaves, you know..."

:headbang:
rocknation

[tom_paine]

24. OMG! Dean as Chair of FCC! That would be fantastic!

Howard Dean for Chair of FCC!

[johnfunk]

31. Better yet: FCC Chair Dean, commissioner Howard Stern

... and please, no jokes about lesbian stripper press secretaries! Just imagine how THAT would stick in the craw of the hard right.

I can tell you this: Stern has a real bug up his ass about televangelists, although he says little about it on the radio. Give him a staff investigator or two and I'll betcha that Fat Falwell, Marion Robertson and others lose even more tax exemptions...

[Ishoutandscream]

36. Damn straight. Wouldn't that be the ultimate?

Dean as chair of the FCC. All networks that trashed him doing a 180 and kissing his ass. I've got a smile from ear to ear just thinking about it.

[KharmaTrain]

42. How Could Kerry Shut Faux Down?

What grounds, what rules or laws have been broken?

Sorry, you can't shut Faux down for being assholes.

BTW...the FCC has very little jurisdiction over cable...especially who own or operates channels.

Nice thought, though.

[rocktivity]

43. You can't shut networks down for being assholes

An FCC license is like any other--a privilege, not a right. The American public owns the airwaves; the networks rent them. All Kerry has to do is make some revisions in the lease!

:headbang:
rocknation

[apnu]

2. No, I refuse to watch Faux nt/

[WilliamPitt]

3. A relentlessly positive Democratic convention

has put them in the position of either cooling themselves down, or exposing their bias in broad daylight.

[Justice]

14. Do Members of Faux Come out in broad daylight?

[Walt Starr]

27. I'll never complain about the DNC or DLC again!

Looking over the past 3.5 years in the context of this convention has convinced me, these guys have had a FUCKING BRILLIANT strategy. They've picked their fights carefully and allowed Bush to pull out more and more rope.

By being so upbeat and positive this week, they've allowed Rove to put the noose around *'s neck.

Come the GOP convention, I predict the chair being kicked out from underneath * by his own party. What's even more delicious is they won't even know what the hell hit them.

I'll even say it again, the party leadership has been FUCKING BRILLIANT!!!! I take back every mean, lowdown, nasty thing I've posted about them on these boards since 2001. I admit it, I'm a curmudgeony old bastard who was taken in by the wedge crap being dished out for the past three and a half years. I can now openly admit, these guys have been planning this and handling this the only way they could since the 2000 sElection. There has NEVER been a party leadership in this nation's history that has so effectively managed their minority status.

I WAS FUCKING WRONG ABNOUT THE PARTY LEADERSHIP!!!!

I bow before them. I'm not worthy.

[Doctor_J]

4. no

they spent Jimmy Carter's speech calling Kerry a liar. I don't watch FNC, but the reports seem toindicate they are as hateful and deceitful as ever... :shrug:

[SoFlaJet]

5. It started with

Kerry's speech to the NAACP-right when they started getting a lot of heat on their Fair and balanced BS.THEY SHOWED THE WHOLE SPEECH UNIT ERUPTED.i COULDN'T BELIEVE IT

[WI_DEM]

6. I haven't noticed

What I have noticed is that they don't cover some high profile speeches like those of Gore, Carter, and others and spend alot of time interviewing republicans.

[DrWho]

8. They

They coverded all of Last Night Speeches.

Just weird, that's all, just weird.

[lumpy]

7. Yes,

pretty Foxy of them, I'd say.

[Warpy]

9. Maybe the false advertising lawsuit has awakened them

to the distinct probability that if they don't start to BE fair and balanced, they're going to lose their slogan.

[kaitykaity]

10. Maybe they're afraid if they get too partisan

the delegates will storm their studio and trash it.

:evilgrin:

[gatorboy]

11. You can still tell they're getting the proper "talking points" though.

I noticed last night, Brit Hume had his 'Truth Squad" on talking about Reagen's speech and they all had to talk about how he had said it wasn't a political speech when it was. It's one thing if one guy had said it, but when 4 in the same 'debate' echo the same crap, how can you not see they're being told what t say?

They won't touch Obama though. I think he scares them. He;s simply too big right now.

[redqueen]

25. LOL they'd be crying like babies if Ron got political on their whiny butts

What'd he say about Usurper Boy before he was elected?

"He's probably the least qualified person ever to be nominated by a major party," the 42-year-old Reagan said. "Yes, he was elected governor of Texas, and before that he ran a baseball team and lost a lot of other people's money in the oil business. But what has happened in the intervening five years to make people believe he'd be a good president? What is his accomplishment? That he's no longer an obnoxious drunk?

"The defining moment for me," Reagan continued, "was his Karla Faye Tucker smirk, joking about a woman he would put to death. No adult would ever do that. It wouldn't even cross the mind of a grown-up to joke about something like that."

[zaj]

13. Yes, I've noticed too...

It won't last beyond Thursday IMO.

I'm guessing they are catering to their audience. How many hard-core Republicans will REFUSE to watch the DNC? That's going to leave a more moderate audience to draw ratings from.

They are catering to their viewers, I would guess.

[zaj]

40. THIS IS ONLY TEMPORARY FOLKS...

It's catering to their DNC audience for 4 days.

The hardcore Republicans aren't watching the DNC this week. That leaves Fox to compete with CNN & MSNBC for the moderate and liberal viewers in the absence of a large, hardcore Republican viewership.

This will all change on Friday... sadly Outfoxed didn't change anything (yet).

[Bush was AWOL]

15. They know they are being watched right now

and will soon revert back to their old ways.

[mzmolly]

16. They've been *outfoxed*

;)

Outed as the most biased news source on the face of the planet. They're trying to prove we're wrong, but the obvious change only proves otherwise.

I love it! :evilgrin:

[Junkdrawer]

35. Yep. "Fair and Balanced" is now an instantly recognizable joke..

I think they will spend a few weeks trying to do the impossible: Reclaim their reputation. Once they see that is impossible, they'll go back to being the Rush Limbaugh of Cable TV and continue to try to hold their base together.

[Robbien]

17. They really don't want their "News" to be labeled as RW or Conservative

They want their "reporters" to be called reporters not right wing reporters or conservative reporters. It takes away from their erroneous message that they are mainstream news.

[librechik]

18. they're concentrating on suppression

talking through the most sacred moments, subtly denigrating through the structure of their reports rather than overt content. Bohlert had a good article in Salon about Fox's RW slant during the convention.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/07/23/fox_dui/index.html

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

19. Lies were flowing through O'Liarly yesterday like crap through a goose

He's still trying to find some way to hang on to that bogus Saddam-Al Qaeda link.

[drbtg1]

20. two points re: Faux last night

1.) At the end of the O'Reilly interview with Ben Affleck last night, broadcast live, O'Reilly stated before the commercial that after the break, Faux may show parts of the Ted Kennedy speech, "if he ever shows up". At the moment of him stating this, Sen. Kennedy had already been speaking for a few minutes (One of the benefits of having one of those televisions with picture-in-picture). Since he had a clear vantage point in the FleetCenter to see the Senator, O'Reilly clearly lied to his viewers. Again.

2.) At the beginning of O'Reilly's show, he claimed his show beat the competition on Monday (a poorly misguided defense for ignoring speeches on the floor during primetime). I don't have hourly breakdowns of ratings for Monday, but mediabistro.com shows CNN beating Faux by a two to one margin for Monday night.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/archive/2004_07_27_archive.asp#109096171424576270

I guess the sheep are taking the week off, too. Obviously, John Moody can't be happy (yea!) and can't wait for the the convention to be over. When the sheep come back, the empty rhetoric will be back as well.

[Rockholm]

21. Does C-Span ever have it's viewership numbers listed?

[drbtg1]

30. Not sure, but C-SPAN probably doesn't pass the threshold

Take a show like CNBC's McEnroe. It got a 0.1 rating for July.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/original/0407ratings.pdf

Now, one would think that McEnroe would get more viewers than C-SPAN (After all, reruns on any of the networks generally get more than all the cable news outlets combined). C-SPAN's rating is most likely akin to Bluto's GPA: zero-point-zero. Therefore, one would need to wait for Nielsen's total number of viewers/households, which I don't think are found for the overnights. You may have to wait for the weeklys. I could be wrong though.

That is, if they even bother with C-SPAN, which serve no advertisers' interests and is viewed like a public interest obligation.

[MUSTANG_2004]

33. No, C-SPAN does not track viewer rankings N/T

[MrBenchley]

22. Perhaps Murdoch smells a change in the wind...

[sallyseven]

26. I think your right.

They have polls that are not public and I think Kerry is way ahead. Not all polls are equal they are skewed. They cannot say bush is losing because that would further erode their base. Indys will notice and like most people they like a winner. That can make or break a campaign. If the skew it to bush a lot of people will realize that the supporting data is false. Everyone is taking about 9/11 and eyes are popping open. bush is done.

[Robbien]

29. They are not going to change if BushCo loses

They will continue the right wing bias because the right wing corporates are in this for the long haul. They spent a lot of time and money setting up their monopoly of the media.

No, if they are softening right now they are just trying to shake a biased label.

[peaches2003]

32. Don't agree, sorry

I think FoxNews has been worse than ever! The nighttime coverage has been totally biased w/out one fair word to say about the Convention or speakers at all. Brit Hume is making a fool of himself.

Fox&Friends this AM- kept showing Teddy as if he was the main speaker, talked about how Bush-bashing he was. E.D. took over the bash Teresa position and read snippets of her speech (not the 'opinionated' portion which is what the real point of the speech to women was about) and said they were unintelligible. Obama- barely a word about him- totally ignored his keynote speech. They changed the total impression of last night from what it was in reality to the pro-GOP spiel.

[PVnRT]

34. Why the hell is anyone here watching Fox?

You have C-SPAN and PBS giving very good, unbiased coverage, and you people are watching Fox News?

[KurtNYC]

37. Propaganda is less effective when seen as such

Possibly they are reacting to the release of "Outfoxed" and the memos (see them here: http://www.wonkette.com/archives/fox-news-memos-the-whole-batch-017613.php)

But mainly they know how propaganda works -- it has to be seen as unbiased because when seen for what it is it has no effect or may have a counter-effect. Note that they sloganed their network "Fair and Balanced" in a juvenile foot-stomping me-thinks-thou-doth-protest-to-much manner. And is if that wasn't enough they added "We report, you decide" to try and claim that they weren't attempting to brainwash you.

In general, when RWers are going to do something to try and screw us all, they state the exact opposite of what they will do. For example: "humble foreign policy", "compassionate conservative", "no child left behind", "kinder gentler nation".

[nolabels]

39. Using the illusion of a dialectic for this

Passive-aggressive technique
(snip)
CHARACTERISTICS OF CONTENT WHICH MAY BECOME EVIDENT WHEN NUMEROUS PIECES OF OUTPUT ARE EXAMINED

Change of Pace. Change of pace is a technique of switching from belligerent to peaceful output, from "hot" to "cold," from persuasion to threat, from gloomy prophecy to optimism, from emotion to fact
(snip)
http://www.mapinc.org/propaganda/propaganda/proptech.htm#change_of_pace_technique

The way a manipulator puts you off guard for the unsuspecting attack later

For a laugher try this joke from yesteryear

(snip)
INTERNET AS HYPER-LIBERALISM
First published at Telepolis in 1996, this article attacked the liberal political ethic of cyberspace, at the peak of the Great Internet Hype. Since then, the prophets of revolutionary cyberspace have been discredited - not by me, but by the market. Instead of utopian global democracy, The Net brought AOL Time-Warner. And that makes the conclusion here as relevant as ever: the internet is a political construction, which can and should be destroyed.

ABSTRACT: Liberalism, as an interaction-maximising ethic, has produced a number of structures, including the free market. Internet, as a 'marketplace' for ideas, shows the characteristics of liberal structures clearly, and intensifies them. However, it is still subject to linguistic and cultural barriers, rather than creating a global community. More fundamentally, liberal structures are contra-innovative, and in fact the structure of the Net shows a technological conservatism. The Internet is a political or ethical concept, rather than technological concept. It threatens to impose itself on the world. It is the Net itself which is wrong: freedom from censorship, or equality of access, cannot make it good. The conclusion is simple: the Net must be cut, and Europe is the place to start
(snip)
http://web.inter.nl.net/users/Paul.Treanor/net.hyperliberal.html

[DemBones DemBones]

38. CNN has done a hard right turn in Boston.

They must be FOX's partner on "Trading Spaces."

[DemWitch]

41. FOXNews has toned down a bit

but a very small bit. O'Reilly is a loose cannon, I think Murdoch is afraid of him so Bill will continue to be the bombastic uninformed fact skewing blowhard asshole he's always been. The other correspondents are getting their digs in, but on the whole it's not the chum (as in the bloody crap you use to draw sharks in) fest I thought it wouuld be. O'Reilly has had his ass handed to him a few times, but he could care less, and so could his true believers... when he comes out with "well, we'll let the viewers decide" that's his way of saying "shit, I've been blown out of the water, but my faithful viewers will beleive any shit I feed them" and then they do... O'Reilly could very easily transform himself into a Jim Jones type character or that dude that was going to hitch a ride on the ass end of a comet, and he would have blindly rabid supporters following him all the way. InsHannity is, and will always be the best little bitch the RightWingNuts ever had. I swear, if Cheney told him to take it up the ass for the Repugs he would.

On CNN... yeah, they have taken a turn to the right during this convention... but... I'll withhold any incendiary e-mails to them until after the Repug Convention... they may be setting themselves up to be "fair and balanced"... ahem... know what I mean... "See we were tough on the Dmes too... now watch us crucify the Repugs"

MSNBC... does anyone really watch?