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lil-petunia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 12:47 PM
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President on heavy meds for depression?
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4921.shtml

If i looked in the mirror and saw that face, i'd be on drugs, too.

So is this true? does this thing have legs?
Others have written about CHB before, but they haven't been wrong lately.
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 12:50 PM
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1. gee, this is only about the
6th or 7th thread on this today with that link.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 12:53 PM
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4. Skinner needs to pin a post about using the search feature to check
on a subject before starting yet another thread on the same ol story with link to the same ol source which still seems not to have been taken up by any other source. :eyes:
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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 01:19 PM
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7. someone needs to
find their good humor today





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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 01:21 PM
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8. My humor is fine
but with all that is going on, bandwidth seems to be a valuable resource. I believe it is polite and prudent to do at least a quick search before starting a thread.
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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 01:33 PM
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10. well,
not everyone has the search function yet.



:) Lighten up...get pissed at bush not at fellow dems!
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 04:35 PM
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29. I certainly wasn't pissed,
but it is very simple to find without search. I has been on here so many times today, a cursory look at the first two pages would do.
:shrug:
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lil-petunia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 02:58 PM
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21. or to check to see if another poster posted a post posting posted
posts from other sites?
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 03:22 PM
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25. Repeating previously posted info
is beneficial for the folks who didn't catch it the first time. This board moves fast and some folks just can't monitor it 24/7. Repeats have their place in the educational scheme of things.
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 04:37 PM
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30. I suppose you are right,
Edited on Wed Jul-28-04 04:38 PM by ashling
thanks for reminding me. :)
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 12:52 PM
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2. When has CHB been right?
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 12:53 PM
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3. Sent this to Drudge for his tip line....wonder if he will use it???
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drmom Donating Member (450 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 01:05 PM
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5. We need to push this! Again I say...
...even though the sources where these stories are apparantly questionable, why not just ask the media that with W's history of chemical dependency, and some obvious public erratic behavor, the voters would like to have W's medical record made public? I know it wouldn't happen, but it's a reasonable way to bring the subject to light without us looking like we're playing their game. We're just concerned citizens who want to know the truth.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 01:08 PM
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6. There was a rumor about this topic about a month or two ago. This....
....article appears to name names, which is surprising to say the least.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 01:33 PM
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9. "depression" is a cover story -- pure spin
It has been discussed frequently on DU that DimSon is a pathological narcissist: Narcissistic Personality Disorder as described in DSM-IV. It has been noted that he's incapable of facing hostile or antagonistic audiences ... without medication. His very frequent retreats to the pig ranch in Crawford, the retreat at Camp David, and the family compound in Kennebunkport are essential to keep this severe disorder under control and feed him the 'narcissistic supply' to which he's emotionally addicted.

This is not and never has been an emotionally stable person. Through the miracles of modern pharmacology, he's a medicated sock puppet. One of the medicinal side effects that's been noted has been an anomalous absence of sweat under conditions where healthy people do what's natural: sweat. Some of the medications (beta-blockers) he's used to put a lid on the anxiety that stems from confrontation also inhibit sweating.

Make no mistake: this sociopath is a hair's breadth away from a meltdown.
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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 01:38 PM
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11. Agreed, Bush is not a depressive, he is almost certainly a sociopath
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donhakman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 01:44 PM
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13. *
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Rebel_with_a_cause Donating Member (933 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 01:43 PM
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12. That would explain the media's extra overdose of bias
to make things look more "lollipops and rainbows" for the sake of the Chimp.

On the other hand, it would take a pretty strong countenance NOT to be emotionally troubled by the fact that most of the world hates you. The average person would need to be heavily medicated to pull off an attitude of nonchalance. An admitted alcoholic would most certainly need an artificial boost.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 02:04 PM
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14. Hysteresis effect.
He's detested in no small part because he's incapable of demonstrating genuine concern and compassion for those he's harmed. Some visible indication that he's "emotionally troubled" would actually ameliorate the hatred the world has for him to some extent. His handlers know this. However, the artificial and superficially scripted attempts to market a synthetic substitute for a humanitarian concern are seen for what they are: facades and forgeries. The very artifices employed serve to prove deliberate deceit: they're lying.
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DaveFL99 Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 02:31 PM
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15. I'dlike to see
move.on do an ad showing Bushlexia, mentioning the pretzel incident and asking for the Presidents medical records. There's definitely something wrong when even non-partisan health sites begin to speculate about the president's health.

http://www.canparaplegic.org/bc/level2.tpl?var1=story&var2=20020115175628
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 02:50 PM
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20. beautiful
sounds right on the money!
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 02:33 PM
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16. A look inside Shrub's health concerns

Both parents have Grave's Disease



http://www.skincareindia.com/index-cid-13-pid-1312.html

http://thyroid.about.com/library/weekly/aa011602a.htm?terms=bush
(Even Bush family dog Millie came down with another autoimmune disease at the time, lupus.)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A688241

for the "tin-foilers": :)

http://www.healthcentral.com/news/NewsFullText.cfm?id=510860

Marvin Bush (brother) has Crohn's Disease

http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/crohns/

http://www.ccfa.org/about/press/bbush



auto-immune diseases tend to run in families...so chances are, Shrub has some sort of auto-immune disease.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 02:46 PM
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19. It's highly likely that he does have some kind
Edited on Wed Jul-28-04 02:54 PM by crozet4clark
of thyroid disorder. But my guess would be an underactive or HYPO thyroid, not an overactive one. (I know cause I am hypo myself) The differences between these conditions can be subtly overlapping sometimes.

He has alot of hypothyroid symptoms: brain fog, balance problems (vertigo?) noticed he's been packing on a few lbs. there too (insulin resistance?) outbursts of anger, depression (?) I have thought for awhile he might have Hashimoto's thyroiditis (autoimmune condition. I can't explain away the blackouts though, no one that I know with thyroid gets those.

(Just read your article on Graves and soldiers. Could be perchlorate? This is highly toxic to thyroid gland.)
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 03:07 PM
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23. I think he suffers from a combo of mental and physical health issues
Edited on Wed Jul-28-04 03:10 PM by Solly Mack
the mental explaining the blackouts, possibly. Could be medication reaction of some sort. The man is under stress..no doubt of that.

His facial eruptions are interesting to note as well....both he and his father seem to suffer from them.

As for the soldiers - who knows? Considering the places they go, the lack of clean and safe water is always a factor. Then there is the potential for it's use in weapons..I say potential because I don't know for sure if it's used by the military....though it seems likely.
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Butterflies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 02:40 PM
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17. I hadn't read that yet - wow.
How have they hidden it for so long? We have an even crappier media than I thought. All of the falling down and passing out and all was strange, but I didn't realize it was this bad.

Thanks for posting that article.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 02:44 PM
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18. that bastard isn't depressed, HE IS DEPRESSING
nt
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 03:02 PM
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22. 58 year old riding a bike
to the max-he`s on endorphine rush and when he comes down,plus all the shit he takes to make him presentable. but that is getting harder and harder to cover....
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 03:11 PM
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24. "...the President of the United States is loony tunes."

I taught I saw a terrowist!


The only difference is: Tweety was funny; Bush isn't.
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number6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 03:24 PM
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26. he must have the smirk monkey blues ....
:(
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 03:46 PM
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28. Profile of a Sociopath
Profile of a Sociopath

Glibness/Superficial Charm

Language can be used without effort by them to confuse and convince their audience. Captivating storytellers that exude self-confidence, they can spin a web that intrigues others. Since they are persuasive, they have the capacity to destroy their critics verbally or emotionally.

Manipulative and Conning

They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. He dominates and humiliates his victims.

Grandiose Sense of Self

Feels entitled to certain things as "his right." Craves adulation and attendance. Must be the center of attention with his own fantasies as the "spokesman for God," "enlightened," "leader of humankind," etc. Creates an us-versus-them mentality
Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and able to pass lie detector tests.

Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt

A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at his core. Does not see others around him as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

Shallow Emotions

When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since he is not genuine, neither are his promises.

Incapacity for Love

While He talks about "God's love" he is unable to give or receive it. Since he does not believe in the geniuses of his followers' love, he is very harsh in testing it from his devotees and expects them to feel guilt for their failings. Expects unconditional surrender.

Need for Stimulation

Living on the edge, yet testing the beliefs of their followers with bizarre rules, punishments and behaviors. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal.

Callousness/Lack of Empathy

Unable to emphasize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them. Their skills are used to exploit, abuse and exert power. Since the follower cannot believe their leader would callously hurt them, they rationalize his behavior as necessary for their ( or the group's) own "good" and deny the abuse. When devotees become aware of the exploitation it feels like a "spiritual rape" to them.

Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature

Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believes he is all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for his impact on others. His followers only see him as near perfect.

Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency

Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.

Irresponsibility/Unreliability

Not concerning about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blame their followers or others outside their group. Blame reinforces passivity and obedience and produces guilt, shame, terror and conformity in the followers.

Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity

Totalist leaders frequently practice promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts. This is usually kept hidden from all but the inner circle. Stringent sexual control of their followers, such as forced breakups and divorces, removal of children from parents, rules for dating, etc.

Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle

Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future. Many groups claim as their goal world-domination or other utopian promises. Great contrast between the leader's opulent lifestyle and the followers' impoverishment. Support by gifts and donations from his followers who are pressured to give through fear and guilt. Highly sensitive to their own pain and health.

Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility

Changes their image and that of the group as needed to avoid prosecution and to increase income and to recruit a range of members. Is able to adapt or relocate as needed to preserve the group. Can resurface later with a new name, a new front group and a new twist on the scam.

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djg21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 03:37 PM
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27. This is being discussed on Hannity's Board . .
please hold your noses and contribute to that discussion freely -- drive the pukes nuts!

http://www.hannity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=75117
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Shopaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 04:59 PM
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31. Isn't it amazing that none of this has hit the legit press yet?
If it were a Democrat-Drudge would be all over it and the "real" press wouldn't be far behind.
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 06:18 PM
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32. On the late breaking strand everyone said this was a dupe.......But
is it because it is reported by Capitol Hill Blue or because it isn't true. If B**H is on anti-depressants, surely the GOP doesn't want this out--how will the country react to an "unstable" president? I believe he is unstable regardless of meds he is taking. I mean he can't ride a damn bicycle or a segway.
Is the story a dupe or not?
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