Please Answer this for Me - How Come No one is Speaking up About 9/11?

[22181]

I am so sick of hearing how Kerry will make America more vulnerable to terrorism. * and Co. are using their wonderful record for keeping America safe from "terrists" as a major talking point.

WTF? 9/11 HAPPENED ON GWB'S WATCH!!! He presided over the nation during the most flagrant, blatant, deadliest terrorist attack ever! How can he say with a straight face that he's keeping terrorists at bay? Maybe NOW he thinks he is, but before he opened our doors and let them come in and murder thousands of citizens. NO ONE can tell me that they weren't aware of the possibilities and it's old news that the administration ignored blatant signs. They are culpable in mass murder.

So why does no one point this out? Kerry making America more vulnerable to terrorism? I'd rather give this new guy a chance than the President who allowed 3,000+ people to be murdered on his watch. Bush has PROVEN that he welcomes terrorists, and looks the other way while they do their deeds. His actions show this.

Why does no one seem to connect that?

[Abe Linkman]

1. Afraid to speak the truth, because the truth is, it was an inside job

There's not a shred of evidence that OBL had anything to do with 9/11, other than to serve as a Patsy, just like LHOswald, JEarlRay et al.

Would YOU speak up IN PUBLIC if YOU knew that? Knowing that bushco has no compunctions about silencing you...or sending you to Gitmo?

[thebigidea]

5. if Bushco has no compunctions about silencing him...

... why is he allowed to run for President?

I suppose your answer would have something to do with Skull and Bones...

Anyway, your post is a distraction. The question isn't who did it, but why more isn't being made of 9/11 happening on Bush's watch.

[Fovea]

2. I think the strategy is to remind Americans how it felt

to live without panic. And the contrast will be quite clear when the RNC starts chanting 'Terra terra terrrrrraaaaaahhhhh"

All the while, today's terror story is domestic, babyfood laced with Ricin... Bush can't fight domestic terror, they are the one of the only non-ultra rich constituency he has.

[Hoping4Change]

7. I 100% agree. Obama summed this up with "audacity of hope"

comment and Ted Kennedy with his "Bush brings fear" comment.

[sangh0]

3. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! ....nt

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[stavka]

4. ...maybe 'cus it wasn't really Bush's fault (for a change)

it would be like blaming WWII on FDR.

It's everybodys fault from Carter to Bush 2

Read Steve Coll's "Ghost Wars"

[Media_Lies_Daily]

8. Right. I think you may need to do a little more reading on both 911...

...and FDR's role in letting Pearl Harbor happen.

[stavka]

10. I think history would show ....

FDR didn't know Pearl Harbor attack was going to happen, only that the Japanese were going to attack in the Pacific somewhere..and as it turns out for the world (for everybody, but the dead of course) it's probably a good thing that Pearl Harbor did happen.

...and I think that a coddled group of Arab Islamic fanatics, sponsored by Saudi, and UAE private money flew four airliners into three buildings and the state of PA. This get's traced back to the Bush administration how? Sure they could have done more, but so could have Clinton over 8 years - who was more interested in securing the same oil deal that the Bush administration was, and didn't want to ruffle the Paki military and intelligence service. - factually - where have I gone wrong here?

[agincourt]

12. Well for starters,

Clinton might not have taken a vacation and chopped wood if he received a daily briefing about a terrorist attack approaching.

[stavka]

13. Really ?

...and where would Clinton take a vacation in your hypothetical? - across the hall? - maybe pitch a tent in the rosegarden?

You can't have it both ways "A terrorist attack might happen" and "We will raise the terror threat level to orange" are equally worthless documents and statements.

Everybody allowed an Osama bin Laden, the response by Clinton and Bush to the embassy bombings ans fatwah after fatwah was zero.

The Saudis are our friends.
Pakistan needs to be kept close.

These were the only countries that could have stopped 9-11

we puckered up to both, it was great for business.

[nyhuskyfan]

14. Clinton had eight years...

To stop Al Qaeda from raising $250,000 and stockpiling 20 boxcutters. That's all this operation really entailed when you get down to it.

The system was blinking red all summer for Bush in 2001 and he didn't act. The top people in his administration didn't want to hear about Al Qaeda (Ashcroft, Rice, Rumsfeld, Cheney), cut counterterrorism funding and resources, and (in the case of Cheney) was put in charge of a task force that never met. People say Clinton was lucky when the border guard was suspicious in 1999, but Moussaoui more or less tipped the 9/11 plot -- not to mention the suspicious agents in Phoenix. But nobody had a sense of urgency, nobody was connecting the dots. When the millennium plot was on the table, Clinton acted. He even risked his own safety to go to Pakistan in 2000 to talk to Musharraf and try to work out a deal for Bin Laden.

When the WTC was bombed in 1993, nobody EVER blamed Bush I. And if Clinton was in office had taken the longest presidential vacation in 32 years in the month before 9/11, don't you think that would have been a republican talking point from then on? Clinton would have been hammered for it -- except he never would have gone on vacation. He would been having meetings and communications DAILY, just like in Decemner of 1999.

[stavka]

15. He also had 8 years to essentially order Pakistan...

...to kill Osama, or no more parts for your F-16's and we're going to let India roll up your insurgency - and you won't do crap about it.

BUT - that would put certain oil deals in jeapordy, and Clinton thought you could negotiate with gangsters (just like Bush continues to do) - it's an easy mistake to make, I do it with my cable company every month.

Britain decided widows shouldn't be burned with their dead husbands and enforced it with the .303 cartridge...maybe its time for even right thinking Americans to abandon Star Trek, and say no - some things are wrong - Like radical, or even conservative Islam for instance.

We, as progressives attack conservative Christians like it's open season - maybe its time to say advocating violence and opression in any form because God say's it's so is not only wrong, it's insane.

And doing business with those states that do, like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Pakistan, and Utah needs to come to end PERIOD.

[nyhuskyfan]

17. You (and others) mix some different issues here...

Preventing Al Qaeda from forming and gaining power, money and influence was one part of the problem, but stopping 9/11 specifically is another part of it. Obviously, if the first part could have been happened, then the second part would have been irrelevant. The first part stretches over 20 years -- the second part stretches over 4-6 months.

There were any number of opportunities to stop Al Qaeda from forming, going all the way back to the decision to bait the Russians into Afghanistan in 1979 and training the muhajadeen (starting with Carter and mostly under Reagan). Then, there were several chances to stop them from gaining or building influence after we abandoned Afghanistan and set up camp in Saudi Arabia for the Gulf War (Bush I). We can look back at any of those decisions in hindsight as being mistakes, as you could with Clinton's not doing enough to foresee the threat building from 1993-98, when it became clear they were behind the embassy bombings.

Preventing 9/11, though, also comes down to our intelligence about a specific attack, and doing everything we could to stop that attack. The hijackers didn't get rolling on the 9/11 attacks until Bush's watch, once the system started blinking red and warning signs were coming from flight schools. It didn't require much money, many people, much planning, or any big weapons, and from what I understand very few people within Al Qaeda even knew the plans until the summer of 2001 (supposedly even some of the hijackers didn't know the plot). Had the Bush administration taken the threats more seriously and actually met on terrorism issues and been on top of things, then perhaps that attack could have been prevented. We'll never know, but I would personally be more forgiving of Bush if he had at least tried to do something. Not discussing the threat once between August 6 (Date of the PDB) and September 11 is just irresponsible and he should be held accountable.

Of course, had we broken up the 9/11 attacks and not taken military action in Afghanistan, they would have tried again.

[agincourt]

18. If the first WTC attack ,

had been more successful ,causing greater loss of life, the response would have been different. No one would have blamed it on 12 years of Reagen-Bush. We would have had non-stop,"terrorists attacked us because they knew we had a spineless president". Terrorists will always get away with terrorism, if the government in power profits from it and 9-11 was definitely a trifecta for Bush.
Likewise no one will approach the subject of the US selling what was left of it's soul to win the cold war.

[stavka]

19. Your point(s) is(are) very well taken.

[Bridget Burke]

21. Right. He received warnings about planes being flown into buildings....

And scheduled a month-long vacation.

After the first plane flew into a building, he continued to a photo-op. After the second plane flew into a building, he sat like a stunned ox, doing nothing.

In the larger sense, the roots of terrorism go deep. There's a long history.

To be real, Bush & his cronies let 9/11 happen. It's worked well for them.

[cthrumatrix]

6. at a "high level"...the truth is known...it would hurt the Americans to

learn the ways of the true world leaders and military industrial complex.

[stavka]

11. true, so true....

take relief in knowing Americans can learn nearly nothing, and they forget most of it anyway.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

9. Let's get Kerry elected first....then we can take care of all of the....

....unfinished business.

[Sterling]

16. Not holding my breath.

Kerry will use 9-11 to justify his wars and constitutional crimes. I see no sign that Kerry will be taking anyone to task for 9-11.

[graphixtech]

20. Many people are noticing - . . .

the deafening silence . . .
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