Michael Moore slammed us all. I don't know what to do with it. Just say

[anarchy1999]

For whatever reason Mr. Moore can't make it to Crawford, even after he said he would be there and offered an invitation to Bush to attend. Mr. Moore, if you don't show, you SUCK! I am through and god help us all. How could you do this to all the people in the area fighting to hear their message be heard.

[thebigidea]

1. You have to admit, he'd get more press and interviews at the convention

He'd make more of a difference combating the media where they are assembled... he's already done tons of interviews on just the first two days, the Crawford event would've been a small blip on the media radar screen.

Why take it so personally? Look at the big picture.

[CO Liberal]

2. I'm Assuming He Did That For Safety Reasons

You just KNOW that some asshole with a gun would try and prevent him from making any more movies......

[tom_paine]

4. If they DARED do that...

...

[CO Liberal]

36. I Wouldn't Put It Past Them

Remember what happened when JFK went to Texas.....

[tom_paine]

40. Yeah, but MM isn't about to shut down their corrupt enterprises

nor is he about to expose the entire Bush Crime Family and Private Spook Army.

So I think if he got whacked it would in fact be a Lone Freeper, in this particular case.

But who really knows?

[CO Liberal]

44. They Said It Was a "Lone Gunman" in 1963, Too.....

Remember?

[tom_paine]

47. Sure they said it THEN, but this time I think it might actually be true

Though God Forbid this should happen at all.

[KillBill]

73. What? What would you do?

[redqueen]

3. *sigh*... first Jon now Mike

:(

[Liberal Christian]

8. Have I missed something?

I don't understand this: "First Jon, now Mike." What are you talking about?

[thebigidea]

11. A political comedian made a joke about a politician, so he's now useless

[Liberal Christian]

12. I'm sorry ... really ... can you fill in with a little more detail?

[thebigidea]

14. I didn't see it, there's some huge thread about it here...

apparently he made a snarky comment about Kerry in vietnam, throwing in Platoon and Apocalypse Now references.

I guess this somehow erases years of daily, completely brilliant skewering of the Bush Mob to some people here.

[redqueen]

13. Jon was slaughtered in another thread

because he dared to mock Kerry over a serious issue.

Now Mike dares to cancel an appearance, and it's 'if you don't show, you SUCK!'

It makes me sad that we can turn on those who help to further our causes if they're less than 1000% of what we want them to be.

[Liberal Christian]

24. Thanks ... I went to check it out

Ralph Waldo Emerson once said "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."

I believe people show how small their minds are when they expect public figures to have the perfection of complete consistency. It happens on DU over and over again.

So expand your minds, people. Allow for ambiguity. Recognize the possibility that truth is complex and appearance is not always reality.

[Tosca]

46. Hah!

I'm sure Jon is in a corner somewhere licking his wounds.

Too freakin' funny.

[redqueen]

68. .

I don't care how he personally feels about it, Duh. My point is not 'oh how bad for Jon! he must be so wounded!'

My point is what the Cheney is wrong with people that love you one day and the next they're ready to throw you out with the garbage.

:eyes:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

17. It's been going on with Dems on this board for 4 years

one day, Nancy Pelosi rocks...the next day she is a PNACing, corporate whore with a botox job. It does get a bit fatiguing...make you really want some of these folks on the front lines with you in a real revolution, eh? ;)

[redqueen]

21. Well to be honest I'm prone to a bit of that m'self

But now? During the convention? Three months from the most important election of my lifetime?

I just don't get it...

[k in IA]

28. It gets very tiring. Do we ever cut anyone a little slack? He may have

his own reasons. I think he has certainly done his share already to help the cause of getting rid of *.

[KoKo]

75. It's stress. Up and down...Up and down...we all have our moments...

;-)'s

[Wind Dancer]

5. There could be a legitimate reason for him

not coming, wait to find out before writing him off.

[thebigidea]

7. No, its better to write off & insult if he doesn't attend your event.

[Wind Dancer]

15. LOL! I read that thread too. Amazing!

[tridim]

6. The Crawford thing is a stunt

He's getting real work done in Boston. I've seen more of Michael Moore on TV than probably any other single person the past few days. He's needs to stay in Boston IMO.

[madmom]

25. Heard there was a credible threat to him and family n/t

[AP]

9. Is this the best wedge issue that there is out there today?

If so, sweet!

The left will be winning in November.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

10. They are still going to show the film

Moore isn't going because he doesn't want to cause a riot.

[WilliamPitt]

16. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

First Barack Obama sucks. Then Jon Stewart sucks, then Mike Moore sucks.

You know what?

Everyone on this forum who goes into hysterics over ABSOLUTELY NOTHING sucks so bad they bend light.

[thebigidea]

20. Yeah, but you suck EVEN MORE because...

... you forgot to attend my Bar Mitzvah some years back.

The fact that I didn't have a Bar Mitzvah shouldn't have prevented you from coming...

Ergo, YOU SUCK!

[WilliamPitt]

23. Oh yeah??? Well YOU suck because I say so

because somewhere in history you might have done something to offend my delicate liberal fucking sensitivities. I'm sure of it, so you suck.

:)

[StandUpGuy]

51. Funny, no, Sad

It seems you only suck if you aren't 100% behind Kerry all the time.

If Moore shut up and followed the leader he wouldn't have any credibility with anybody and the Repubs would have a field day.

Jon Stewart NEEDS to make jokes about Kerry or he will slip into irrelevancy by becoming a one joke wonder. How much impact would he have if he only had his choir to preach to every night.

I hope this is a symptom of 4 yrs of totalitarian government and not a case of otherwise good people turning into brownshirts when they hear criticism.

[Catfight]

34. hee hee...JFC, now that's funny! I didn't know anyone else said that.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

37. Wow!! "Black hole" DUers!! What a concept!! LOL!!

[Generator]

76. I agree

And someone criticized OBAMA? what the fuck for? I have never been so impressed with someone in my life.

If Moore hadn't shown the movie at all, that would have sucked. But his presence was probably more of a drag away from the real meaning of the movie. It's not about Michael Moore worship. It's about getting some facts out to those that haven't seen them before.

[in_cog_ni_to]

18. It's a shame that he backed out, but

he found out several RW groups were going to attend and doesn't want to take attention away from the DNC with a riot in Crawford. I think his reason is a sound one. He has a good point.

I don't think he will back down to ANYTHING after the convention. JMCPO

Maybe he just said that to get the RWers to stay home....and he'll really attend. :shrug: I just heard him on Nightline last night and he said he was going to Crawford.

[KittyWampus]

19. Moore Isn't The One Who Sucks AFAIC. Trying To Divide Us Won't Work

nice try though.

[seabeyond]

22. i heard him talking to holt on cnn about this

he says that he got it going and was gonna put on barn wall or something and thought he ought to go down and support, and now hoas turned into quite a circus and was going further to tell why he decided he shouldnt go, it all became about him and he wanted people to see movie and he was interupted by holt. that is when he started getting pissey with holt. so i didnt hear why, i dont know if maybe he hadnt been warned to not go or if hte right scared him off or because he thought he would create a bigger mess.

[nostamj]

26. JESUS

even JESUS couldn't pass the DU Purity Test.

OBAMA IS A TRAITOR
JON STEWART SUCKS
MIKE MOORE SUCKS

and on and on ad (very) nauseum... LDotters everywhere support you!

[thebigidea]

29. Jesus SUCKED for dying when he did, he let us ALL down

I'll never forgive Jesus for opting to DIE instead of having the foresight to stay alive long enough for me to try to borrow money from him.

[nostamj]

33. yeah, BUT

he did come back, didn't he???

OT: you coming to the show? you gonna let me know when you're doing your thang???

[Catfight]

38. God sucks for making people who Suck!

[Pastiche423]

27. Could someone please

point me to the Jon thread? I missed it and don't have cable.

Thanks!

[nostamj]

30. here ya go!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2088894

[Pastiche423]

35. Thanks, Jeff!

[thebigidea]

31. Yeah, well YOU SUCK for not having cable.

I used to admire you, but you've really dropped the ball here. I'm taking you off my speed dialer, even though you were never actually on my speed dialer.

But that doesn't mean I can't complain about it in public!

[Pastiche423]

41. That's not true!

Since my oral surgery, I haven't even been able to suck on a straw.

:cry:

[Media_Lies_Daily]

32. Get real. Moore's message has gotten out to the tune of almost....

....$100 million in total revenues. If $8.00 is an average ticket price, that means more than 12,000,000 people have seen his movie and spread the word on an exponential basis. By November 2, I'm betting that nearly 25,000,000 people will have seen the movie in the U. S. alone.

You need to get a grip. Moore has bigger fish to fry than going to Crawford to look for a guy that will be as AWOL for this as was for his National Guard duty.

[southlandshari]

39. Oh, for F@#K's sake!

And this southern belle doesn't say that lightly (even in keyboard code)!

If he showed up and the event became a total, violent riot, would you praise his bravery and courage? Because I have no doubt that this is the direction things were heading as political rhetoric heats up by the minute.

Heck, no - everyone would be talking for at least a week about Michael Moore's self-serving, egotistical antics that put innocent Texan lives in danger.

Moore probably made the offer to watch the film with Bush in Crawford without really thinking about the security implications. It was a mistake - I applaud him for realizing that before things got truly ugly, even knowing he'd have to eat crow over the cancellation.

[Lisa]

49. earlier posters mentioned some right-wing groups out to disrupt ...

Remember what happened in 2000 -- Gore was worried that there could be violence (accidental or provoked). If the Bushies would stoop to staging a riot back then (e.g. at that Florida office), nothing I've seen of them in the past 4 years indicates they have become kinder and gentler!

In Moore's place, I would have done the same thing. It's turned from a simple little screening into something that could get dangerous. I guess the local sheriff's department could call in the Secret Service, but do we really want that?

If anybody (Dem or Repub) was injured or killed at the event, he'd have to live with it forever. Plus it could throw a shadow over everything going on in Boston now.

p.s. another point -- Moore is being mobbed so much that his presence is getting more attention than the film itself, and the groups screening it. (There have already been posts to the effect that people would only go to Crawford if they could see Moore.) He was supposed to be showing it to a group of veterans in Boston -- some of the organizers became disgruntled because the media were more interested in Moore than in the soldiers (and all that feeds into the myth about him being arrogant and self-serving). Moore smoothed things over by insisting that the press talk to the veterans and hear their stories. Maybe his Boston experience led him to wonder whether it might be better if he just let the Crawford Peace House take center stage, without him distracting the crowd?

p.p.s. as others have said -- this is historic! I would love to go, except that I'm several hundred km and an international border away. I've had the privilege of talking to Moore for a few moments -- I'm quite sure that anyone who DOES make the trip to Crawford, then goes to any future event of his, will get eager questions from him about how things went.

Oh, and if it's not too late -- and any of the organizers are checking this thread -- have you considered a brief "Q&A" session with him by phone? As Mr. Bush points out, you can do "all kinds of things" with speaker phones and conference calls!

[nostamj]

54. the "Protest Warriors" are going to be there

with another anti-left group. there was an earlier thread.

[southlandshari]

59. thanks

for giving more actual context (historical and current) for the point I was trying to make! =)

Moore absolutely did the right thing.

[playahata1]

67. Agreed. This whole thing is turning into "Kill the Messenger!"

Moore can't even promote his own work, explain his cause/point of view, without his opponents squawking "It's all about MM." For better or worse, you cannot always separate the work from the artist, the issue from the messenger.

[Journeyman]

42. Let's cut Moore a break. I'd taken any excuse to stay out of Crawford!. .

And people have told me I both suck and blow (at the same moment, if you can believe that!).

[liveoaktx]

43. He did not slam me. The movie is STILL going to be played in

Crawford. Have you lost sight of that? The guy who arranged this in the first place did it to show people, AS OPPOSED to a celebrity event. I don't care why Moore decided not to show, but if, for example, he bowed out because of threats, then more power to him. Crawford was going to be a lightning rod for all the Bush cranks in the area.
If you were going to go there to watch the movie, then go (unless the thunderstorms in the area hold you back). And if you feel slammed, okay, but don't speak for everyone else in Texas in the area, because I don't share your opinion.

[Fleshdancer]

45. It's not like the whole event was canceled or anything

The fact that a war protest and a viewing of F911 will be taking place in Crawford, Texas tonight is unfreakinbelievable. I don't think some people here fully understand exactly how conservative this place is. I would be surprised if a fight didn't break out...hopefully there will be no guns involved.

This morning there were several bags of manure with the sign that said something along the lines of "This is what I think of you Michael Moore". My local news covered this story a few minutes ago. The event planners were able to clean everything up so as far as I'm concerned, all is good. Moore doesn't have to be there in order for the message to be delivered.

[Generic Other]

48. Anarchy 1999! He didn't slam you. I heard him mention the event

several times. He gave you national free coverage! I assume you guys are still going to screen the film? He invited Bush to screen it. I mean, talk about free publicity. Whether you get Moore there or not, the eyes of the world will be watching your good old fashioned Texas activism.

You planned a great action for the cause. Don't stop. Keep sending Moore reports. If it turns into a riot, get videotape! How the heck do you think Moore got his start? I am sure you are disappointed, but Moore's voice is best heard in Boston this week. You make yours heard in Crawford. Please keep us posted about this event.

[seabeyond]

50. thanks generic,......yes anarchy

you da man/gal., i love what you are doing. which i could jump in car and make the 8 hour drive. i want it to be the best i want it on the news. i want it to be cool, even without moore. you are doing a great job. thank you

[thebigidea]

52. Common sense? A thoughtful reply?

YOU SUCK!

(throws a chair across the room)

[Sparrow]

53. geez

give Michael some slack.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

55. Hey anarchy

I heard from some other sources he was getting some pretty vicious, apparently pretty authentic death threats from Crawford. Local authorities SAY they are looking into it, but who really knows?

Apparently huge security concerns.

[gcomeau]

56. I'm sure if Bush had accepted the invite...

...Mike would have shown up. But let's face it, short of that happening there's far more important things for him to do.

-Grant

[leftofthedial]

57. he said he wanted the event to be about the film

not about him.

[Joanne98]

58. We're not standing in a circle and shooting ourselves this election

REMEMBER? I'm sure he has his reasons. He'll probably give a statement to the people going to Crawford in a couple of hours. He's getting alot done were he is. Support MM we need him.

[Trajan]

60. Cmon ....

Both Jon and MM didn't do anything bad ....

If he cant show, he cant show ..... geeez ...

Hasnt he done ENOUGH ? ...

[thebigidea]

61. Personally, I'm still waiting for him to mow my lawn

[RetroLounge]

63. Your lawn sucks

just saying...

RL

[HuckleB]

62. He made mistake in accepting the invite.

He clearly realized later that the timing of the event could take away from his ultiimate goal: Getting Bush out of the White House.

[mandelion]

64. I live 3 hours from Crawford

and our news just reported that he didn't want his appearance there to take attention away from the DNC and that he wants the focus on his movie.

[MI Cherie]

65. If Bu$h* wasn't such a

chicken and accepted the invitation, I bet MM would have been there!

[rman]

66. who are you to make demands of Moore?

-

[Bridget Burke]

69. Whoever he is--he hasn't returned to this thread.

But no doubt he (or she) will return to let us know how it went in Crawford.

[truthspeaker]

70. I believe he said he didn't want to take away from the message of the film

[ClassWarrior]

71. The world didn't go according to your plan...

...and now you're through?? Awfully rigid reaction for someone named "anarchy."

[chiburb]

72. So where is the OP?

Start the thread and don't come back? Why?

[truthspeaker]

74. I'd hate to be slammed by Michael Moore

That guy makes me look skinny.

[Paragon]

77. Guess the message just took a back seat to your egos.

:eyes: