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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 08:20 PM
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All of you are about to be screened for "mental health" and put on drugs
Those who have seen the barbed-wire "free speech zone" in Boston may wonder how to top this in terms of fascist implications. Actually, this already happened last month and went largely unnoticed.

The drug companies backing Bush were invited some time ago into a commission on mental health, the "New Freedom Initiative." In its June report the panel recommends screening EVERYONE in the United States - starting with the captive market of 52 million pupils and 6 million teachers - for mental illness. Everyone diagnosed with something - and pretty much everyone will be - will receive a prescription regimen based on a "treatment algorithm" (hey, that's scientific) devised by the participating drug companies.

Unfortunately, the Orwellian moments are only going to come thicker. The thrust to the New Feudalism, Corporate Totalitarianism, New World Order, or whatever you like to call it is out in the open and will not slow down unless we arise as a people to end it. This is not the time for those of us who saw all this on 9/11, in 1980, 1969 or much earlier to be enraged. (Brave New World was published in 1928.) We must keep trying to wake up the sleeping majority with articles like the following from BMJ (British Medical Journal).

http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/328/7454/1458

BMJ 2004;328:1458 (19 June)

Bush plans to screen whole US population for mental illness
Jeanne Lenzer

New York

A sweeping mental health initiative will be unveiled by President George W Bush in July. The plan promises to integrate mentally ill patients fully into the community by providing "services in the community, rather than institutions," according to a March 2004 progress report entitled New Freedom Initiative (www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/newfreedom/toc-2004.html). While some praise the plan's goals, others say it protects the profits of drug companies at the expense of the public.

Bush established the New Freedom Commission on Mental Health in April 2002 to conduct a "comprehensive study of the United States mental health service delivery system." The commission issued its recommendations in July 2003. Bush instructed more than 25 federal agencies to develop an implementation plan based on those recommendations.

The president's commission found that "despite their prevalence, mental disorders often go undiagnosed" and recommended comprehensive mental health screening for "consumers of all ages," including preschool children. According to the commission, "Each year, young children are expelled from preschools and childcare facilities for severely disruptive behaviours and emotional disorders." Schools, wrote the commission, are in a "key position" to screen the 52 million students and 6 million adults who work at the schools.

The commission also recommended "Linkage with treatment and supports" including "state-of-the-art treatments" using "specific medications for specific conditions." The commission commended the Texas Medication Algorithm Project (TMAP) as a "model" medication treatment plan that "illustrates an evidence-based practice that results in better consumer outcomes."

(snip)

Mr Jones told the BMJ that the same "political/pharmaceutical alliance" that generated the Texas project was behind the recommendations of the New Freedom Commission, which, according to his whistleblower report, were "poised to consolidate the TMAP effort into a comprehensive national policy to treat mental illness with expensive, patented medications of questionable benefit and deadly side effects, and to force private insurers to pick up more of the tab" (http://psychrights.org/Drugs/AllenJonesTMAPJanuary20.pdf).

Larry D Sasich, research associate with Public Citizen in Washington, DC, told the BMJ that studies in both the United States and Great Britain suggest that "using the older drugs first makes sense. There's nothing in the labeling of the newer atypical antipsychotic drugs that suggests they are superior in efficacy to haloperidol . There has to be an enormous amount of unnecessary expenditures for the newer drugs."

Drug companies have contributed three times more to the campaign of George Bush, seen here campaigning in Florida, than to that of his rival John Kerry

(snip)

The commission's recommendation for increased screening has also been questioned. Robert Whitaker, journalist and author of Mad in America, says that while increased screening "may seem defensible," it could also be seen as "fishing for customers," and that exorbitant spending on new drugs "robs from other forms of care such as job training and shelter programmes."

But Dr Graham Emslie, who helped develop the Texas project, defends screening: "There are good data showing that if you identify kids at an earlier age who are aggressive, you can intervene... and change their trajectory."

http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/328/7454/1458

How appropriate that another item in Capitol Hill Blue today claims to have discovered that Bush is on serious medication himself:
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/printer_4921.shtml

The "New Freedom Initiative" report itself is available at www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/newfreedom/toc-2004.html

The disturbing part is that Bush is but the handmaiden of the drug companies (some based in Texas) represented in the "New Freedom Initiative." They are powerful and have been around forever.

The movement to get all Americans and ultimately everyone in the world docile and pliant on prescription drugs is much broader than Bush, and in fact puts on a primarily "liberal" front. Do you imagine Kerry will distance himself from it? It combines false humanitarianism (we want to help these poor aggressive children have a better life!) with false traditionalism (restore order to the classroom!) for a bipartisan consensus in favor of good business (sell more pills!).

The drug companies are among the three "industries of enforced profit" that have dominated the development of late capitalism, meaning Guns (covering the industries of arms, the military, surveillance, intel, security and geostrategy), Oil (energy cartels generally) and Drugs (legal and illegal, both driven by the state).

Cheney may be Halliburton but Rumsfeld is Searle: a company that turns oil into little pills and gets you to swallow them.

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 08:22 PM
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1. Good drugs?
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Stew225 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 08:23 PM
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3. Booga dewga eeny mea
culpa.
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 08:23 PM
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2. Can I choose Vicodin???? lol
I'll revisit this issue later. Still rapt by convention coverage.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 08:25 PM
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4. Can I just stay....
in a "free thought" zone.... and pass on the forced thought correcting psychoactive substances??
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 08:26 PM
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5. the first three replies have me seriously disturbed
This is not on The Alex Jones Show. This is a government report proposing to screen the entire population for mental health.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 08:29 PM
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6. Seriously disturbed?
Huh oh. Someone has your number. (yes that's a joke. But wait, your name means the joker, does it not...very tricky)

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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 08:31 PM
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7. how can you blame 'em? We've got to keep our humor through this.
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 08:33 PM
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8. Have you heard even one Dem, either at this
convention or elsewhere, that has mentioned this and said what an awful thing it is? I haven't, which makes me wonder if both parties are all for it. I think it's a disgusting, expensive and invasive idea, but what is your take on the Dems not jumping all over this like lightning on a duck pond?
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 09:08 PM
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11. Read the article, read the report...
The "opposition" to this idea is from those who say the drugs could be cheaper if alternatives or generics were used. And these are probably liberals. No coverage given to anyone knocking this as a Orwellian, totalitarian, downright Soviet initiative.

Has Bush actually introduced this?

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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 10:56 PM
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19. In case it isn't apparent....we are IN THE MIDDLE OF AN
ELECTION here!! They aren't talking about low income housing either. Which is MY pet project and which is affecting my family RIGHT NOW! We are being threatened with cuts to our section 8 program RIGHT NOW!

Our "state funded" healthcare is being cut RIGHT NOW!

In terms of Bush medicating people...thbbbbb.. he ain't going to be there long enough to get it off the ground if WE GET BUSY AND VOTE HIS ASS OUT!!

In terms of MENTAL HEALTH CARE... I say WHAT MENTAL HEALTH CARE???? That issue just keeps getting thrown out the back door like an infected pair of gloves!!! WE NEED MENTAL HEALTHCARE!

My grandson is living with me. He is with me via the "Kinship fostercare" program. They give money, BUT they barely do a damn thing about the "scars" on his emotions from the life he came from. I can't even get him assessed through the county or via any other portal. Like I said, I will re visit the issues you bring up. I will look into this thoroughly. I've seen this topic posted before. But, please, keep your shirt on. There are soooooooooooooooo many issues that Bush has "cheneyed" up; I worry whether Kerry can handle them all.

KEEP HOPE ALIVE.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 03:16 PM
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34. So what's your point?
We can't talk about anything other than Kerry?

We are in the middle of an election, so is he going to take a position on all these issues or just offer more thunder and candy?

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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 03:33 PM
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35. Y'know, I find this proposal *very* disturbing, also, and was
laughed at by other liberals for bringing it up about a month ago.

So, I'm with you on this.

However, your crude putdown, "So, what's your point", when someone has told you they have an immediate problem with losing their housing, is certainly lacking in any sensitivity, and the support that DEMs traditionally have for each other.

Here's a suggestion...... why don't you offer Sugarbleus some support for her issue, which is scaring the heck out of her (you may take note from her post that she is also caring for a GRANDSON). Ask her where to write and call, to help turn this issue around.

We DEMS and other liberals USED to do that sort of thing for each other... we USED to care what others were struggling with, and offer help, even though it wasn't immediately affecting us, personally.

Now, we just want to yell at each other about which issues are more important, and who is deserving of more attention. That's getting us exactly NOWHERE, if you may have noticed.

So, how 'bout a different tack, offering help and concern, and giving her an opportunity to do the same for you.

Maybe we'd get just a bit further that way.

Kanary
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 04:20 PM
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43. I'm sorry...
Given the history both of psychiatry and this country (not to mention the Soviet Union) I get very agitated by the idea of anyone in government even suggesting the idea of screening everyone (including me & you) for "mental illness" on behalf of a drug company initiative. This isn't at all my "issue," it's about self-defense. So I over-reacted to the idea that we should be thinking instead about how to win hallowed election.

However, you are completely right, Kanary, I ignored what sugarbleus was otherwise saying, about the seriousness of the situation with her and her grandson. Apologies.

Where are you, sugarbleus?
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 06:48 PM
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50. I share your agitation --scratch that --make it RAGE, JackRiddler!
I appreciate your willingness to hear what I was saying, and your willingness to hear sugarbleus! I've become so very tired of people shouting over each other here on DU, and nothing getting done because of it.

This issue is not only infuriating, it's downright scary! What's ever scarier is how many people will just passively go along with it. We've been well prepared for it by years of propaganda about the anti-depressant pills. (Did you see my post about how the pills came to be so much a central part of treatment?)

At the same time, I'm also one of those in danger of being cut in this upcoming housing mess, and you want to talk about *terrorism*!

Yes, we have allowed the Republicans to make so many inroads in so many issues that now we're getting attacked on so many fronts that it seems impossible and exhausting to keep up with it all.

However, that's exactly what we're going to have to do, if we're to save ourselves, and our nation. In the 60's, we *did* band together, and work on various issues, and we're going to have to do that again. So, find the info that we need to followup on this issue with, tell us who we need to contact, and I'll join in the fight, if you'll also join in the fight against these housing cuts.

We're truly all in this together. I mean, who knows...... the housing we save today may be the housing that you are dependent upon in the future. None of us knows just what lies in store for us.

THank you again!

Kanary
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 01:57 AM
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54. Poindexter
The trick is to overwhelm us repeatedly until the next outrage appears normal or trivial.

Poindexter was a peak in the method.

They threw out Total Information Awareness back in early 2002 and this was a big shock and had to be outsourced and fragmented among agencies. Obviously the idea is still being implemented through CAPPS II, the Matrix, and the Kean Commission proposals. But everyone got a good scare with Poindexter and it created a "new normal."

P. went over the top in 2003 with the terror futures idea and he had to go. The idea itself was also outsourced to the private sector. It did not go away, but people thought they had won something.

I think, after that, that they can now pretty much introduce any theoretical outrage and people will barely notice.

The Kean Commission proposals - biometrics for all, universal ID standards that amount to a national ID - now get applause from people who no longer have a clue what they are supporting.

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Mel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 09:27 PM
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14. I saw this earlier
and have printed out all information to pass along to my Mom, brother, and a few friends that are teachers. Wow, I'm honored to know so many teachers :) Anyway I do understand your being disturbed by the replies. I have to say I'm pissed about what I see coming and it pisses me off greatly that people find this to be some sort of a joke. It's Cheney'ed Up is what it is.
I guess one good thing about not having health care for some is they may be the last to be drugged by their government?

Bush Gangsters don't give a damn about our mental health if they did they would make sure that the people had good paying jobs, a descent place to live, and health care for everything. They are doing this so they can dispense pills to fill the pharmaceutical companies pockets with what will be our tax money and it will be used and abused as a way to Control 'those people'

What makes people think that fascism is always about going into a concentration camp? That's been done before it's old school people this could very well be one of the new ways. The fascists will say what you aren't for helping mentally ill people? shame on you, you evil liberals don't you care about Paul Wellstone he was for mental health yea he was but not this kinda crap. I can just hear the fascists now, can you?
Bark! Bark! Bark! from the right-wing and they will drink the Radio hate head kook-aide that tells them this is good program and it's unpatriotic to not go along with it.
These people are fascists and I will call a fascist a fascist when I damn sure see one. The German people made the mistake of not speaking out and we see what it got them!
Fascism I repeat fascism does not and will not always look like Hitlers or Pol Pot or the many other fascists that have come before let's at least give the new fascists some credit if we don't it's at our peril!!

These people can not handle the mental illness issue and it is not tin foil to think that they can't they have lied, and lied, and lied, and lied to we the people. How any one can think this is funny or a tin foil hat issue to joke about is beyond me.

Hey, Thom Paine where are you at you tell it so much better than I do. Thom Paine smells it to and It stinks it reeks of fascism! I call it slow burn Neo- fascism.
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thinkingwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 08:40 PM
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9. I want my soma!
Bring on the Brave New World!

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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 04:18 PM
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41. That's a real drug
There really is a drug out there called Soma! Apparently, it's a muscle relaxer and can cause seizures. My husband was telling my about it last night when I saw it mentioned in one of his medical journals. Maybe that's what Bush is on. ;)

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thinkingwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 07:56 PM
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53. wow really? jeesh
I had no idea!

Hmmmm, you may be right about bush...
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 08:49 PM
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10. Cochabamba!
Edited on Wed Jul-28-04 08:53 PM by higher class
Anyone who has seen 'The Corporation' documentary will know what I mean. They (Bolivian little people) rose up and got their water back. We need to fight these companies and it starts with education of us, then we teach others.

I didn't know what you posted about the drug companies and our souls. Thanks!
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 04:21 PM
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45. right, same thing in Venezuela;
there the people got their President back. In defiance of forcefull suppression of Chavez supporters. There were to many. "Somos todos!"

Chavez - The revolution will not be televised
www.chavezthefilm.com
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 09:11 PM
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12. Well, any Bushevik FUCK tries to force me into their Soviet "Freedom"
program will get a rude surprise if they do.

There are several places I have drawn lines in the sand.

Enforced Sopvietized "Mental Health" testing by the Evil Empire, Amerika, is one of them.
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Mel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 09:34 PM
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15. I hear you tom_paine!
I knew you wouldn't take this bs! This is one of my lines in the sand too!
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 09:17 PM
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13. Bush executive order this month, some links...
This month Bush issued an executive order citing the New Freedom Initiative, but which appears to deal only with "emergency preparedness" for the disabled. From the Dept. of Homeland Security site:
http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/display?content=3859

Conservatives at The New American have noted the totalitarian implications of the New Fascism Initiative (I know, it's not funny):
http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2004/07-12-2004/insider/education.htm

Socialists at Workers World knocking it as the new wave in "youth oppression":
http://www.workers.org/ww/2004/youth0722.php

National Council on Disability (independent federal agency) calls for funding the NFI:
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=118-07022004

Where are the liberal voices? Are we going to see well-intentioned people supporting this as they have with electronic ballot machines?

We need to put this sucker front and center.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 09:37 PM
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16. Uh, Hey Bush: YOU FIRST! eom
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 10:36 PM
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17. kiki
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 10:46 PM
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18. I guess they can lead a horse
to water, but they can't make them drink. This one won't be tested..without a doubt.
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Unperson 309 Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 11:00 PM
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20. They'll Find A LOT If They Screen ME!

For openers, neurological problems from being born prematurely.
Borderline personality disorder (unmedicated, untreated, I'm fine as is!) coordination deficits, dyslexia, face-blindness, ADD, ADHD, asperger's, the WORKS!

And I will NOT take any fucking little fucking PILLS for any of it! I am who I am and I'm pretty damn FINE!

Because in my heart I KNOW I'm smarter than *! I can ride a bike without falling off. Can he? I can read and write at colletiate level. can he? I can string a sentence together, speaking and not have it come out sounding like a braindead 3 year old! Can ne?

Feh!

309
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 11:21 PM
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21. Illinois
The article is from a Christian fundamentalist news service but contains some critique and some straight reporting on a Chicago conference that endorsed the idea of screening everyone from 0-18. The initiative is endorsed by a Republican.

http://www.illinoisleader.com/news/newsview.asp?c=17900

CHICAGO -- Finishing up a week of public forums, the members of the Illinois Children's Mental Health Partnership ended early in Chicago today following testimony from an overwhelming number of program supporters who agree that mental health screening is needed for Illinois children ages zero through 18.

As a hyphenated sponsor of last year's legislation, State Representative Patti Bellock (R-Wheaton) said she thought that the stigma on mental health problems was fading, and that the new mental health plan's main emphasis was to create an awareness of mental health needs in the state's children.

The Illinois plan is the first in the nation to have progressed thus far.

"This program will not be voluntary," Paul Schneider of Champaign told the task force. "No one will be exempt. If a family doesn't want to accept the school's evaluation of their child's mental health, what recourse will they have?"

http://www.illinoisleader.com/news/newsview.asp?c=17900
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 08:51 AM
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22. morning kick
Isn't this an issue to you guys?
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 09:16 AM
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24. Here's the KEY:
The president's commission...recommended comprehensive mental health screening for "consumers of all ages," including preschool children.

CONSUMERS! No attempt whatsoever to disguise that point, eh?
The Reeps who resist any help to the poor re; healthcare now want to get generous and screen everybody for mental illness?!! Sovietesque!
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GarySeven Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 09:14 AM
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23. Liberalism is a mental illness
Just wait, they will define liberalism as a mental illness, then use that as a basis to do all sorts of things, including forcing you to take medication, probably at a government-run facility. Your children will be taken away from you -- cause who wants kids raised by "crazy" people -- and raised at other government-run facilities, probably through a faith-based mandatory Jesus program. Insurers will deny you health coverage because your disease is "terminal"; you won't be able to get a home or a car or a job. If you oppose any of these policies, that will be proof that you are liberal and thus mentally ill.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 09:23 AM
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25. "A sweeping mental health initiative will be unveiled..."
"...by President George Bush in July."

July is almost over. Has he unveiled it?
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 03:14 PM
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32. Yes I noticed that...
So I went searching. All I found so far were the links in post #13, government agencies praising other elements of NFI but no direct promotion of this program yet. The June report was published on the White House site.

Anyone do Lexis?
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Beausoleil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 09:29 AM
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26. One nation under G.O.D.
"Guns (covering the industries of arms, the military, surveillance, intel, security and geostrategy), Oil (energy cartels generally) and Drugs (legal and illegal, both driven by the state)."

!
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 09:32 AM
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27. The inmates are running the loony-bin.
And the craziest fucker of them all is George W. Bu$h.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 09:52 AM
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31. Exactly. As it was in the Soviet Union which Imperial Amerika more close
ly resembles every day.

As it was in Nazi Germany.

We can only hope OUR monsters aren;t as vile and barbarous as the Nazi and Soviet Monsters.

I don't think we can be certain of that until we see how they behave once they have full and unchecked power and no fear of ivestiagtion, prosecution, let alone conviction.

(like 1940s Mississipp and the KKK lynchers)

THEN we will truly find out who and what they really are.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 09:41 AM
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28. Can he do this without sentate/house approval?
:shrug:

This is very serious.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 09:43 AM
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29. What kinda drugs? Anything good in their stash?
:evilgrin:
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 09:46 AM
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30. The Sweeping Initiative has begun
with GW taking massive doses of godknows what in order to remain in his alternative universe. My money's on Peyote--he says God talks to him...

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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 03:15 PM
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33. Nope. Old Houston legend says Bushie doesn't function well....
on psychedelics.

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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 03:37 PM
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36. I think I'm going to require lots of medical grade marijuana
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drdigi420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 03:44 PM
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37. Just Say "No"
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 04:06 PM
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38. It seems that the program will be state-administered
So I think the best thing you can do now is to contact your Rep & Senators about your concerns, and raise awareness with your friends & acquaintances.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 04:13 PM
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39. I agree to be screened right after Bush and all the GOP leaders
Let's see your clean bill of mental health, Mr. Bush!
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samplegirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 06:50 PM
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51. Let the Liberals pick Bushs Dr.
Wink wink..........i was thinking i know just the right
Dr. to test Bush.
Send the good Doc in!!!!
"HOWARD DEAN"
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 04:14 PM
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40. Not to worry- this will never get funded
Mental health care is always the first thing to go when money gets short....
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DaveFL99 Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 04:19 PM
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42. I feel glacoma coming on
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 02:00 AM
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55. au contraire...
This is exactly what will get funded if we don't fight it.

They'll raise class size, cut the lunch budget, kill music and art, even cut back on sports... but there's no arguing with the objective needs of the drug companies to cram pills down childrens' throats.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 04:21 PM
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44. Wow.
Read "Mount Misery" by Sam Shem for a great description of psych drugs, how they come about, and who writes the treatment algorithms. We need to fight this!
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 04:56 PM
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46. Children are the front line of fascism: brainwashing+indoctrination.
The horror of controlling children through medication revolts me.

I had a girlfriend in high school who was uppity with her single mom who washed her hands of her 'problem daughter' by institutionalizing her. She was heavily medicated for no good reason other than to break her resistance to abuse.

I was beaten vicously by my stepfather and no one knew why I was a distant and moody teen, not even myself until 10 years later. I'm sure 'screening' would've had me in pill prison, too.

Hey Bush*! Wanna help end mental illness? END POVERTY AND ABUSE!! END THE WAR AGAINST US!!

Public schooling in America was developed for social control and economic purposes and further twisted by the robber barons at the turn of the twentieth century to get industrial worker drones.

TV (repetitive propaganda) and drugs are the tools of the power structure to keep the sheeple inside the fence.
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Keirsey Donating Member (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 05:19 PM
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47. couldn't find this thread
when I started this one:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2102357

Information about Bush ties to Eli Lilly.

While researching the above, noticed about CIA and psychotropic drug testing. Guess whose name came up. (rhetorical question)

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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 05:25 PM
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48. I JUST SAY "NO TO DRUGS"! LEGAL OR ILLEGAL!
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cosmicvortex20 Donating Member (253 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 06:18 PM
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49. You cant argue for social freedom unless you support economic freedom...
Niether party is in a position to do both.
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samplegirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 06:53 PM
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52. Send the Good Doc. IN!!!!!!!!!
Howard Dean that is!!!!!!!!
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