the MAMMOTH in the living room

[graphixtech]

• 9/11 elephant
• 9/11 pachyderm

Watching bits of the Dem convention -
Amazing (but not surprising) how
all the speakers ignore the biggest
issue of our time.



http://www.911Truth.org/index.php



http://www.septembereleventh.org/forum/ubbthreads.php

[RichV]

1. Just the parts you're watching?

I've seen several speakers bring it up, and there was that respectful tribute on Monday. Hardly being ignored. Even Edwards brought it up tonight.

[sandnsea]

2. LIHOP, MIHOP

If somebody doesn't say Bush did it or Bush knew, they aren't bringing it up. From what I can gather anyway.

[Sugarbleus]

3. Me too... Plus I

don't believe it is the ONLY issue that needs immediate attention. Frankly, there are sooooooooo many issues that need attention I worry whether or not our candidate can handle the task.

Bush has just screwed up so many things so quickly; it's just unfathomable how much went south so fast. I'm getting some serious headaches and panic attacks trying to keep track of it all. :crazy:

Peace~~

[graphixtech]

6. Never said the ONLY issue

referred to it as 'the biggest issue of our time".

9/11 was used for justification for
the worst things this administation
has done - attacking Iraq, dismantling
our Constitution.


http://www.911Truth.org/index.php

[Sugarbleus]

12. Hopefully, SOMEBODY, will take this seriously when Kerry wins

the White House; Heck, even if he doesn't win, it does need to have it's covers yanked. I agree.

Wouldn't you just LOVE to see those criminals in DC do the frogwalk to Leavenworth? They so richly deserve it. :evilgrin:

I applaud your work on this issue and encourage you to carry on. My energies are focused on domestic evils; I hope you will wish me well also.

Peace~~

[graphixtech]

15. Yes, of course

we wish all activists the best!
Most 9/11 activists were dedicated to other issues before
getting involved in this, and still work within other groups.

There is an excellent (four minute) interview with Bill Douglas
describing the reasoning for our involvement in the 9/11 issue here:
http://digitalstyledesigns.com/pages/movieMedia.htm

[Sugarbleus]

21. Thanx Graph. I'm bookmarking this so I can go take a look...

~~~PEACE~~~

[graphixtech]

22. good luck to you

Sugarbleus, with your housing stituation and grandson.
Thank you for your goodwill.

Before becoming involved with 9/11 issue,
Bill had been a social justice activist for twenty years.
I think you would appreciate what he has to say
in the link provided (the bottom video on the page).

http://digitalstyledesigns.com/pages/movieMedia.htm

[DjTj]

4. From the donkey's mouth:

Our VP nominee tonight:

We must build one America. We must be one America, strong and united for another very important reason — because we are at war.

None of us will ever forget where we were on September 11th. We share the same terrible images: the Towers falling, the Pentagon (news - web sites) in flames, and the smoldering field in Pennsylvania. And we share the profound sadness for the nearly three thousand lives lost.

As a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, I know that we have to do more to fight terrorism and protect our country. And we can do that. We are approaching the third anniversary of September 11th, and I can tell you that when we're in office, it won't take us three years to get the reforms in our intelligence we need to protect our country. We will do whatever it takes, for as long as it takes, to make sure that never happens again, not to our America.

When John is president, we will listen to the wisdom of the Sept. 11 commission. We will build and lead strong alliances and safeguard and secure weapons of mass destruction. We will strengthen our homeland security and protect our ports, safeguard our chemical plants, and support our firefighters, police officers and EMTs. We will always use our military might to keep the American people safe.

And we will have one clear unmistakable message for al Qaida and the rest of these terrorists. You cannot run. You cannot hide. And we will destroy you.

[JackRiddler]

7. please give me several breaks

How about this?

"And we have an unmistakable message for Al-Qaeda. We should have never created you in the first place, but now we understand how to begin ending terrorism: by not practicing it ourselves, and by not supporting those who do it as we have."

Anyone who doesn't talk about the evidence that 9/11 was an inside job isn't talking about 9/11.

[mellowinman]

8. Excuse me, you're SERIOUS?

Anyone who doesn't talk about the evidence that 9/11 was an inside job isn't talking about 9/11?

I haven't seen any compelling evidence that shows 911 was an inside job. There are plenty of things that could LEAD ONE TO BELIEVE that, but frankly, I think anybody who tries to build a case that 911 was an inside job is a LOONIE.

I don't see why we would want to campaign as LOONIES, do you?

[JackRiddler]

9. First of all...

Don't include me in your "we." I'm not campaigning for Kerry but for exposure of the truth about 9/11 by any means necessary.

Second, go here:

911Truth.org

read the site and follow the links, especially to

cooperativeresearch.org

which is the home of The Complete 9/11 Timeline, the largest collection of open-source evidence on 9/11 on the Web.

Once you've spent a few hours there, I recommend you go read some history about Operation Northwoods, the Tonkin Incident, the JFK assassnation, Iran-Contra, the Bush cabal, the Reichstag Fire, "Remember the Maine," Pearl Harbor, false-flag terror in Italy in the 1970s and 1980s, the Putin putsch of Sept. 1999, and the Project for a New American Century (a.k.a. the current Bush administration).

Finally, check out what others on DU have written about 9/11. The mainstream opinion hereabouts is that the Bush administration had adequate foreknowledge to prevent the attacks and intentionally allowed these to happen so as to achieve exactly what the attacks allowed them to achieve.

[graphixtech]

10. Just a coincidence that

the powers that be appeared noticably 'pleased' with the 9/11 Commission's report? Might there be a reason for that?

An exponentially growing number of Americans have strong suspicions about the 'official' story surrounding 9/11. There are many legitimate, unanswered questions that remain to be addressed.


http://www.septembereleventh.org/kc/multimedia/

[mopaul]

16. the report's only purpose seems to have been to deflect any blame

from anyone. no one was fired. all the agencies that failed us were praised. no blame can be assigned to bush or any of his nazis.
and bush fought this for 2 years? it gave him everything he needed in the way of covering up the murders of 3000 people.

some of us are just crazy enough to put two and two together and come up with four

[JSJ]

14. american prosecutors routinely put away poor offenders...

...with much less circumstantial evidence than that which surrounds the Bush administration and it's culpability in the attacks of 9-11.

[JackRiddler]

11. furthermore, a quote

If you think it is possible for the $30 Billion+ funded intelligence apparatus of the planet's superpower to be completely blindsided by a sophisticated attack from terrorists who had been created, trained, armed and funded by the US for decades to engage in proxy wars with the now defunct Soviet Union, well, that's your opinion. If you think that this current election-stealing regime wouldn't go so far as to allow an attack on our own soil and civilians in order to garner public support for the current war, that, too, is your opinion. We differ.

-- Kellia Ramares

[Cleita]

5. Bush as commander-in-chief is in charge of our military, regardless

of how he got sworn in. I think the military is very aware of this regardless of what thoughts they may entertain of a coup. Let's hope this plays out according to the rules.

[Pastiche423]

13. Did anyone here actually believe

that someone, anyone would speak truth to power at this DLC convention?

You can't win that way, donchano? It ain't in the script now and it won't be in 2005, no matter who is sitting in the Oval Office.

Hey guys, little johnny boy went to the Bilderberger meeting this year! You think he's in this race FOR THE PEOPLE?

Rah, rah, sisboom bah! We're gonna win!

Well, just what the hell are we going to win? Will the truth of the cicumstances of what happened to our country on September 11, 2001 come to light? Has either of the Johns even brought the subject up?

No, they haven't and no they won't. They wouldn't be Sensible Liberals if they did. And we all know only Sensible Liberals "win". Yeah, they may when, but will we?

[graphixtech]

17. Former Canadian Defense Minister & 911 Citizen's Watch

I witnessed this incredible interview. You can watch a powerful seven minute video of Paul Hellyer speaking here:
http://www.septembereleventh.org/kc/multimedia/


"An interview with Paul Hellyer,
former Defense Minister of Canada

The following interview was conducted by Kyle Hence of 911CitizensWatch.org and Bill Douglas of 911Visibility.org, on May 27, 2004, at the International 9-11 Inquiry in Toronto, Canada. (Paul Hellyer held the Canadian office equivalent to Secretary of Defense in the U.S., and was Deputy Prime Minister, the Canadian equivalent to Vice President.)

(more)
Paul Hellyer:
Why didn't you know this was going to happen? You spend billions and billions with spooks all over the world and surely you should have known what was going on. And, so I began to be concerned about that. And then questions were raised by others. Why did the President just sit in the schoolroom when he heard the news? Why did he not acknowledge that he already knew what was going on? As a former Minister of National Defense, when the news came out I had to wonder. Why did airplanes fly around for an hour and a half without interceptors being scrambled from Andrews ? Is it Andrews right next to the capitol?

Kyle Hence: Yes, that's correct.

Paul Hellyer: With a quick action alert they should have been there in five minutes or ten minutes. If not, as the Minister of National Defense, which in the United States is the Secretary of Defense, I would want to say "why not?"

Kyle Hence: Does it disturb you, or do you have concerns about your neighbors to the south that there's been no inquiry at a defense level relative to the specific failure to scramble jets?
Paul Hellyer: I think the inquiry has been very shallow and superficial. And I would like to see a much tougher more in-depth inquiry. The evidence is that some people were allowed to fly out of the United States after the attack when American citizens were not allowed to fly in. And Canadians had the pleasure, I guess in a sense, of the company of tens of thousands, several tens of thousands of them in Canada for a few days, especially in Newfoundland where the people were most gracious in looking after them. But why were some members of the Bin Laden family allowed to fly out of the United States? Why?

There are so many questions. What is going wrong here? Or was there something going wrong? How much did they actually know?
(more)
Kyle Hence: It seems like there's a fundamental lack of accountability and transparency, especially now in the wake of 9-11. Does that concern you in regards to what's happening in America with the Patriot Act, and the projection of American military power?

Paul Hellyer: Oh, very, very much so. I'm very disturbed about a lack of transparency. Everyone talks about it, and no one is willing to come clean, as it were. I just had lunch, interestingly enough with the designer of the Avro Arrow which was cancelled more than 40 years ago and one of the things we were discussing were the lies that people in government and the Air Force told at the time. And I guess this makes me all the more suspicious. If they lied about that, what else were they lying about? So, we were agreeing that you had to get behind the superficial and the spin and try and get at the truth. It's very difficult. It takes a lot of time. But, we have to try and get the truth. Because unless we do, as the good book says, "seek the truth and the truth will set you free." And I think that's what we've got to try to do and I hope that somebody has the courage and the persistence to keep at it until we can get it.
(more)
http://www.septembereleventh.org/alerts/hellyer.php
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Here is the July 21st press release from 911 Citizens Watch:
PRESS RELEASE: Citizens group releases critique of flawed 9/11 Commission process    
Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 10:45 AM

"Citizens group releases critique of flawed 9/11 Commission process:
Will final report resolve questions?

WASHINGTON, DC, 9/11 CitizensWatch, a public group that has monitored the national 9/11 Commission and demanded transparency, accountability, and a thorough investigation, will release a critique of the process used by the National Commission on Terrorist Acts Upon the United States ("9/11 Commission") just hours before the Commission’s release of its own final report. "We have discovered conflicts of interest, contradictions in testimony and a conformity of witnesses presented at the 9/11 Commission's hearings," said co-founder John Judge, "as well as flawed premises that will likely lead to incorrect conclusions about the events surrounding September 11, 2001 and unsound recommendations for our future security." ...

The 9/11 Commission's report is the result of a flawed process, demonstrated by obstructions from the White House, conflicts of interest among members and staff, and a lack of sworn testimony from many of their sources. Researchers have analyzed transcripts from the hearings and discovered omissions of key topics that omit:

-- the historical context to the tragedy,

-- a coherent explanation of the failed NORAD/FAA responses, any investigation into the source of the anthrax attacks, and

--the release of non-classified evidence and documents to support conclusions.

These and other omissions and shortcomings are likely to leave many family members' questions unanswered and responsible officials held unaccountable. The report may fail to resolve public doubts about the Commission’s reconstruction of events. Commission statements and testimony have so far failed to clearly identify the ultimate source of the attacks and their funding channels.

Confirmed speakers include:
-- Ray McGovern, former CIA analyst, Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity
-- John Judge & Kyle Hence, co-founders of 9/11 CitizensWatch

Statements to be read:
-- Statement from Bill Doyle, 9/11 Families United to Bankrupt Terrorism
-- Statement from Judith Jackson Reiss, mother of World Trade Center victim

9/11 CitizensWatch, PO Box 772, Washington, DC 20044
www.911citizenswatch.org [e-mail]


http://www.septembereleventh.org/kc/multimedia/

[JackRiddler]

18. The Hon. Hellyer's comments...

Certainly deserve a kick.

[JackRiddler]

19. & another

[graphixtech]

20. short interview with Ralph Schoenman

(for those who are not familiar)
Ralph Schoenman served as the Secretary General of the International Tribunal on U.S. War Crimes in Indochina. He is the author of many books. He has been an international advocate negotiating for the successful release of political prisoners in many countries. Ralph Schoenman and his partner Mya Shone host a weekly radio show and also provide commentary for Pacifica radio.

There is a fascinating (seven minute) video featuring Ralph at the Toronto 911 International Inquiry here. Also a new one with Richard Sanders that puts 9/11 in a historical context :
http://www.snowshoefilms.com/



http://www.911Truth.org/index.php